Theos-Talk Archives (September 1998 Message tt00151)

SUBJECT:  Mandukya and/or Mundaka

Attention:  Tony and Paul

*Below* I have compiled together most of Nicholas Week's various
comments on this subject.  Having carefully reread Nicholas' remarks a
number of times as well as studying the quoted words in the SD and the
specific verses in two translations of the Upanishads, I must admit that
what Nicholas writes makes complete sense to me.

I would appreciate it if both of you would please state explicitly why
you (appear to) disagree with Nicholas' analysis.  Furthermore, if you
disagree, how do you explain these 2 passages from the SD?  I am
certainly open to another reasonable explanation.

Thanking you in advance for your explicit statements.

Daniel Caldwell

Nicholas Weeks wrote:

 Page 6 Vol. 1 has Mandukya Upanishad (2.28).  When I first read this I
thought -- the Mandukya only has 12 verses, what can 2.28 mean?
................................................However if one goes to
the Mundaka Up. II, 2, 8 -- there it is.  Now I suppose one can build up
much good merit with this detective work.  What why not just consider it
a mistake in editing, proofing, writing etc. of the SD?

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The words quoted in the SD, "supreme and not
supreme" are not in the Mandukya Up.  One does not have to be scholar to
know the Mundaka & Mandukya are *not* the same upanishad.

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Yes, this correction should be accepted.  Do you have some evidence that
the quote is actually in the Mandukya?  It is only 12 verses -- not hard
to read. The quote on supreme/not supreme is given by BdZ from the true
chapter & verse from the true Mundaka Up.

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>SD, I, 83:
>
>"(a) In the Mandukya (Mundaka) Upanishad it is written . . . . . "

Thank you [Paul] for pointing out another mistake in the original SD.
The same
points can made again.  The citation I. i. 7 does NOT fit the 12 verse
format
of the Mandukya.  There is nothing about spiders, webs or herbs in the
Mandukya. There is in the Mundaka -- at the place I, i, 7.  See
Gambhirananda's translation of EIGHT UPANISHADS, vol II, p.91

The BdZ SD has corrected this mistake also.