Theos-Talk Archives (August 1998 Message tt00364)

Aug 19

Aug 19th '98

Dear Jerry:

I think we are mainly in agreement.

Yes I can see your point that pressed with death as an inevitable, the
"little lives" that make up our personality huddle together and resist the
change.

If it is correct that we have done this thousands of times, why is it that
this "fear" still arises -- I have no answer.  Twice I have (recently) gone
through shortness of breath and "congestive heart failure" because of fluids
that accumulate in lungs and around the heart -- I admit there is a "fear."
At the time.  But when I review this as now, I do not raise a "fear" in my
own mind.  Very curious.

We do not fear going to sleep, in fact we welcome the "break."

    From: "Jerry Schueler" <gschueler@netgsi.com>
    Date: Tuesday, August 18, 1998 2:12 PM
 Subject: Replies to Dallas

    Dallas:
    >It makes a difference.  Now I understand what you mean by "the abyss."
It appears to >be the first apparently disorganized primal condition of
manifestation, when the >Universe in "germ" emanates from the ABSOLUTENESS.
In SD  Vol. I HPB goes into >detail showing what happens next -- how it gets
organized under the karma of its past >with the help of the Dhyani Buddhas
and the Dhyan Chohans, "Builders,"  etc....

    Sounds like you got it.

    Dallas:
    >I WOULD NOT AGREE TO THAT ENTIRELY.  THERE IS A GROWTH OF >AWARENESS
AND THE USAGE OF CONSCIOUSNESS IN THAT ASPECT OF THE >MONAD
(Atma-Buddhi-Manas) which is ATTACHED TO THE DEVELOPING >CONSCOUSNESS OF THE
EVOLVING ENTITY -- to KAMA-MANAS as I understand >it, butI could be wrong in
this.  My question here, is what is the purpose of the whole >scheme if no
accretions occur, if no "enlightenment" is the result of so much effort to
>achieve self-control, and self-purification, so that working with Nature
and her Laws
    >(Karma) becomes automatic >and voluntary in the evolving entity ?  How
does this get
    >answered ?  What about all the SKANDHAS >that are drawn together to
form the
    >"personality" each lifetime ?  What happens to them ?  They also
>improve, do they not >?

    The definition of a monad is an indivisible unit (i.e, not an
"aggragrate" in the Buddhist sense) and so Atma-Buddhi-Manas, which is by
definition a composite, doesn't qualify to be a monad at all. Your question,
if I read it right, if what is the purpose of life?  I have already
addressed this many times. There are a lot of answers, but the only one that
I can accept is for the pure pleasure of self-expression.

    ================================================
    Dallas:
    What aspect of ourselves "enjoys" self-expresion ?

    Next:  How is that that the ONE CONSCIOUSNESS is able to activate the
mind?

    Why, on our plane should the MONAD not be a triad ?  SPIRT is
indefinable.  Buddhis is said to be the accumulated wisdom of all experience
and when active it is the power to perceive the past as recorded in the
Akasa.  Manas is the active, creative aspect of our nature and serves as the
link with the personal material for the Spiritual side.

    Yes technically if it is 3-fold it is not a UNIT or Monad.  In one place
HPB indicates that there is only ONE PRINCIPLE  ATMA, the Apirit and it has
6 "aspects," or vehicles -- starting with Busddhi - the proceeding to Manas
and so on down the line to the physical body.

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    >Such a view (including hope that one is not mistaken) seem to dampen
    >anxiety -- at last for me.  First one has to realize and accept the
idea
    >that death is inevitable -- in one way or another.  [ Perhaps those who
have
    >had an NDE ---near death experience -- are better equipped than those
who
    >have not, in the sense that they know there is a continuing Egoity or
Entity
    >that survives the "death" of the present body/personality. ]
    ==================================================


    Everyone intellectually knows that they will die someday. Acceptance
    of this is easy intellectually. But when you face the absolute certainty
of
    it, its a different story. I "believe" in life afater death, and I have
had an
    NDE myself. But when I face the Angel of Death directly and squarely,
    I still cringe with fear. I have also noticed that the fear of death is
stronger
    at night and much less during the day. Could this be CWL's solar
globules
    at work?
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    Dallas:

    And where does HPB speak of "solar globules"  == and what would CWL mean
by that term ?  I really do not know anything about this.

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    >Mediative conclusions, and visions emerging from a nights' meditation
may
    >perhaps also be "transpersonal"  -- if genuine they get us a memory
that is
    >not affected by the "psychic/personal" filter we use all the time when
we
    >are awake.  But it is said that all intuitions and visions ought to be
    >checked with the active mind for accuracy and their melding with
    >philosophical and theosophical doctrines.


    Quite right.


    >YES, BUT MANAS IS DUAL DEPENDING ON THE ORIENTATION WE GIVE TO IT.
    >It is the "Lower Manas, immersed in Kama, that is the "Slayer of the
Real." >and that "real" is what filtes down to us from the plane of
Buddhi-Manas, or >the "Higher Mind." >And as I understand it, that is not to
be destoyed but rather studied.

    Basically what you say here is true, but it is kama-manas that we have
to use to put our higher experiences into words. All buddhi-manas
experiences must be filtered through kama-manas in order for us to
assimilate them and share them with others, and in the process the "spirit"
of the experience is destroyed.
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    Dallas

    I agree with this.  And apparently it is here and now in our personality
with Kama-manas functioning that we have to go about refining and
impersonalizing it without in any way losing any of the higher qualities --
love, compassion, courage, protection, etc...  It also seems to me that the
nature of our equipment (kama-manas) is impaired.  Something in us "sees"
its condition, and encourages  it to make a change.  The Kama-Manas must
have a "higher aspect" to it --perhaps this is where the linkage to the
"Higher manas" is formed.  In any case it seems to me that the progress of
our own reform is always self-controlled and generated.

    Does that make sense ?

    It also seems to me that the HIGHER SELF is that ATMA and tha it is
available on request from the Lower self ( the kama-manas ).

    Best wishes,      Dallas

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    Jerry S.