Theos-Talk Archives (August 1998 Message tt00330)

Dallas:
>It makes a difference.  Now I understand what you mean by "the abyss." It appears to >be the first apparently disorganized primal condition of manifestation, when the >Universe in "germ" emanates from the ABSOLUTENESS. In SD  Vol. I HPB goes into >detail showing what happens next -- how it gets organized under the karma of its past >with the help of the Dhyani Buddhas and the Dhyan Chohans, "Builders,"  etc....

Sounds like you got it.

Dallas:
>I WOULD NOT AGREE TO THAT ENTIRELY.  THERE IS A GROWTH OF >AWARENESS AND THE USAGE OF CONSCIOUSNESS IN THAT ASPECT OF THE >MONAD (Atma-Buddhi-Manas) which is ATTACHED TO THE DEVELOPING >CONSCOUSNESS OF THE EVOLVING ENTITY -- to KAMA-MANAS as I understand >it, butI could be wrong in this.  My question here, is what is the purpose of the whole >scheme if no accretions occur, if no "enlightenment" is the result of so much effort to >achieve self-control, and self-purification, so that working with Nature and her Laws 
>(Karma) becomes automatic >and voluntary in the evolving entity ?  How does this get 
>answered ?  What about all the SKANDHAS >that are drawn together to form the 
>"personality" each lifetime ?  What happens to them ?  They also >improve, do they not >?

The definition of a monad is an indivisible unit (i.e, not an "aggragrate" in the Buddhist sense) and so Atma-Buddhi-Manas, which is by definition a composite, doesn't qualify to be a monad at all. Your question, if I read it right, if what is the purpose of life?
I have already addressed this many times. There are a lot of answers, but the only
one that I can accept is for the pure pleasure of self-expression.

>Such a view (including hope that one is not mistaken) seem to dampen
>anxiety -- at last for me.  First one has to realize and accept the idea
>that death is inevitable -- in one way or another.  [ Perhaps those who have
>had an NDE ---near death experience -- are better equipped than those who
>have not, in the sense that they know there is a continuing Egoity or Entity
>that survives the "death" of the present body/personality. ]

Everyone intellectually knows that they will die someday. Acceptance
of this is easy intellectually. But when you face the absolute certainty of
it, its a different story. I "believe" in life afater death, and I have had an
NDE myself. But when I face the Angel of Death directly and squarely,
I still cringe with fear. I have also noticed that the fear of death is stronger
at night and much less during the day. Could this be CWL's solar globules
at work? 

>Mediative conclusions, and visions emerging from a nights' meditation may
>perhaps also be "transpersonal"  -- if genuine they get us a memory that is
>not affected by the "psychic/personal" filter we use all the time when we
>are awake.  But it is said that all intuitions and visions ought to be
>checked with the active mind for accuracy and their melding with
>philosophical and theosophical doctrines.

Quite right.


>YES, BUT MANAS IS DUAL DEPENDING ON THE ORIENTATION WE GIVE TO IT.
>It is the "Lower Manas, immersed in Kama, that is the "Slayer of the REal."
>and that "real" is what filtes down to us from the plane of Buddhi-Manas, or
>the "Higher Mind."
>And as I understand it, that is not to be destoyed but rathe studied.

Basically what you say here is true, but it is kama-manas that we have to
use to put our higher experiences into words. All buddhi-manas experiences
must be filtered through kama-manas in order for us to assimilate them
and share them with others, and in the process the "spirit" of the experience
is destroyed.

Jerry S.