Theos-Talk Archives (August 1998 Message tt00300)

August 17th 1998

Dear Jerry:

Many thanks for the additional explanations.

Dallas

> Date: Sunday, August 16, 1998 10:10 AM
> From: "Jerry Schueler" <gschueler@netgsi.com>
> Subject: Re: Adepts are Maya

>><< The Abyss itself is actually the plane containing Globes A' and G'  >>
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>>It seems from the diagram on p. 346 in GdeP's FUNDAMENTALS
>>OF ESOTERIC PHILOSOPHY that Globes A and G would be on
>>a higher plane of matter/energy. i.e., Lower Mental.  Globes B and F
>>would be Astral, C and E would be Etheric and the Globe D would
>>be dense physical matter.  This is how it's explained in Jinarajadasa's
>>FIRST PRINCIPLES OF THEOSOPHY on p. 226.
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>We can play around with words, but I pretty much agree with this (I prefer
>A & G on the causal, B & F on the mental, C & E on the astral, and D on
>the physical).  "Lower Mental" for the fourth plane really doesn't work
>well because there is no real thinking there -- its equivalent to a coma
>or dreamless sleep.
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>>  Globes A and G
>>then would be Kama-Manasic but necessarily in the "abyss" as
>>would the dense physical globe D, a globe where we are all
>>struggling with dense physicality.
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>I didn't say A and G, but A' and G' (note the primes). Actually though,
>I think G de P used B' and F' (I don't have his books with me right now).
>The point I am making is that the Abyss is the third plane down or
>fifth up, and it, like all of the inner five planes, contains two Globes.
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>>The denser the matter the more
>>imprisoned is the Monad.
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>This sounds confusing to me but it is not your fault that the early
>Theosophical writers used "monad" too much. I prefer to think that
>there is only one real monad (indivisible unit) and that is the divine
>monad beyond our 7-plane solar system, and it does'nt feel imprisoned
>at all because its not--only its "ray" is. An interesting sidebar here
>is your use of the word imprisoned because Crowley taught that
>the only real sin is restriction of any kind.
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>>This is truly abysmal compared to a
>>living on globes made of mental matter.  I find therefore Purucker's
>>description of the two higher globes as "the Abyss" perplexing and
>>mystifying. Any thoughts on this, Dallas or Jerry ?
>>
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>Whoa! G de P gave us the higher three planes with their
>upper 5 Globes, but he never used the term Abyss. The equation
>of fifth plane=Abyss is my own and I do it only to compare HPB's
>model with the Qabalistic Tree of ten Sephiroth. If we allow that
>Globes B' and F' (the two just above A and G, and lying in the fifth
>plane upward) are equivalent to Daath, then we have a remarkable
>similarity between HPB's model and the Tree of Life.
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>Jerry S.
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