Theos-Talk Archives (August 1998 Message tt00299)

I found this old reply to Brenda regarding the Absolute in my draft folder.

Brenda S. Tucker wrote:
>
>  As we develop, we will make substitutes for these
> concepts which will take on many additional pockets of truth.

Yes, and I think it is very important not only to learn the concepts that are in
the SD etc, but also to contemplate, meditate and gain our own realization. "New
realization" can be more valuable than "old knowledge".

> >
> >1. The uncreated
> >2. The created
>
> Isn't this HPB's manifest and unmanifest?

It seems so, yes. To me, emphasizing that certain realities exist before and
independant of creation was important for my own understanding, therefor I used
the words "uncreated" and "created". I think this is something we can gain from
contemplating - that life never was created as such - meditate on the uncreated
aspects(s). At least that has led to substantial realization for myself.

> >The intellect may challenge the concept of "uncreated existence". Doesn't
> everything that exists have
> >a cause?

Again, I wanted to stress that Life, existence is uncreated, creation is almost
like a "byproduct", albeit an imortant one.


> The original Creator cannot be created, because there wouldn't
> >be anything/anybody to create it/him/her.
>
> This is your introduction of a third thing which I imagine you would
> include in the unmanifest category. But isn't our Creator included in both
> categories? The Creator uses part of its own body to give us life.

Yes, that is what i was saying, too. And to make the Creator more
"understandable" I called him/her/it "the Word" which we can think of as the
"movement behind all movement".

> That which is before creation is Unconditioned Abstract Space and
> Unconditioned Abstract Motion.

Fine, for those who feel these concepts have meaning to them.

> There is an eastern trinty of existence, consciousness and bliss. These
> three would not constitute the absolute though, just something unmanifest
> because the unmanifest and uncreated does exist, doesn't it?

Yes, "existence" may well be the same as the absolute, but consciousness is the
selfawareness of existence, which can only arise through a relationship between
a polarity. And "bliss" may well be the feeling quality that is inherent in this
"pure" consciousness.

 > It would seem a lot safer to me if we just associate the first two abstract
> concepts that issue forth during manvantara: space and motion.

I see these as the first most basic aspects of creation. Maybe that's what you
are saying also.

Bjorn