Theos-Talk Archives (August 1998 Message tt00044)

>From: "K Paul Johnson" <pjohnson@leo.vsla.edu>

>For example, in the
>last couple days, David Green has "dissed" me as a disputable
>author,

Folks, people, assembled multitude,
peruse D Pratt's essay
on P Johnson's book & decide
what is & is not disputable.
That was my point.

>Govert as irrational and uninformed, and implicitly all
>Theosophists and others who don't buy into his particular
>interpretation of HPB and Theosophy.

Well, maybe I'm also uninformed
& irrational.  Hey, diss me.
I'll survive with Gloria Gaynor.

But I'll be damned, I can't understand
how informed & rational persons could
accept Masters of "The Mahatma
Letters" & also believe in ECP's
Masters.  I'm sure Govert is sincere
in his belief.  No doubt. No doubt.
I'm just saying I find such belief
irrational.

>In Jake's review, he is
>very emphatic in expressing disrespect for EC Prophet, channelers
>in general, and their followers.  Not to mention the many others
>who have in times past dissed various people on and off this list.

Why must one have respect for
EC Prophet & her channeling?
Do you have respect for Jerry
Falwell, his channelings from Jehovah,
& his view of the world?

This doesn't mean I hate them. Just
no respect for them.

>Meanwhile, the ratio of dissing to normal respectful conversation
>on netsfg, the Cayce online community, is 1/100 at worst.  And
>being in such an environment on a daily basis makes it that much
>more evident that something is rotten in Theosophical discourse
>generally, in the way people think it is OK to talk to and about
>others.  This presumably goes back to the model of some of
>HPB's articles and letters, and some Mahatma letters, which have a
>very large element of dissing.  By comparison, the Cayce readings
>are consistently and profoundly respectful of everyone, including
>some people with bizarre beliefs.  These tones of discourse
>become models of how later followers communicate, IMO.

Hey, looks like I'm in good
company with Mrs Blavatsky & Mahatmas.
Anyone for plain, forthright talk?
Calling a spade a spade?  IMO, Mrs
Blavatsy & her Mahatmas are refreshing
for telling it like it is.
ECP's Masters are all goody-good &
sugary sweet.  Upchuck is my auto response.


>I'd like, therefore, to ask David and Jake, Dallas if he's still
>reading, and anyone else who might recognize himself as a
>consistent disser, some questions.  How does it feel when you are
>in the mode of emphatic disrespect for others' views?  How does
>it feel to express this?  How does that state of mind relate to
>what you experience in meditation or other spiritual practice?
>How do the writings you regard as sacred orient you to the
>legitimacy of dissing people with differing views?

What writings do I regard as sacred?
Sacred?  Oh, you're a clever one, Pauly
Johnson.  I regard Mrs Blavatsky's writings
& Mahatma Letters as reliable but not as
sacred.  Again, read my big, beautiful
red lips----

reliable not sacred


>As Cayce said, "That one cannot endure within itself it finds as
>a fault in others."  This suggests that those Theosophists who
>devote a large share of attention to dissing others for being
>irrational, for believing in unsupportable and "crazy" things,
>for being "crackpots" (a word Jake once applied to me in a
>review), are in fact filled with fear that they themselves are
>doing the same thing.  There's some kind of internal division
>going on here and the shadow gets projected onto others.  Which
>suggests that a means to healing the split will be to own just
>how much irrationality and craziness and unsupportability might
>be present in one's own belief system, in all belief systems; to
>accept one's own fallibility and that of others, and to abandon
>one's focus on Perfected Beings and Authoritative Scriptures.

Again, P J, baby, I'm not focused on
Perfected Beings and Authoritative
Scriptures.  I merely find Blavatsky/
Mahatma writings down to earth &
reliable compared to Ballard/Prophet
stuff. Hey, there may well be
irrationality & craziness &
unsupportability in my belief system.
Diss me & my beliefs, if you can.
I'm open to changing my views.
Overwhelm me with rationality, e t c
Are you & Govert open?


>This advice from one who's been there, done that, and feels
>ashamed of the way I would in the past have talked to a follower
>of ECP.  Hope that Govert understands that while I haven't a
>grain of faith in any of the alleged Masters of ECP and their
>agents in the Ballard/Prophet lineage, I do respect him and his
>belief.
>
>Namaste.
>Paul

I'm sure Govert & other
followers of ECP are sincere.
Govert's probably a nice dude.
I just don't think his
belief that Ballard & Prophet
follow in Blavatsky's footsteps
is a very rational one.
Maybe I'm wrong but
even you apparently agree with
my view.

Think I'll go to my fav
Sydney pub and dance the night
away with Miquel Brown.  Now she's
the one with big, beautiful red lips!!

Namaste to you too Paul!!
& Namaste to you too Govert
& to all a goodd'y



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