Theos-Talk Archives (July 1998 Message tt00219)

>>        Also, I think in one of the initiations or spriritual
>> experiences - one completely looses his sense of
>> Inidividuality and of course the wee wee little personality in
>> the process - and is lost in the great ALL.  (Geez, a dog's
>> consciousness would get utterly lost/destroyed if it ever
>> even experienced our dinky little human  consciousness  -
>> so I supposed we would get squashed in just experiencing
>> the next level up - let alone Parabrahman.)
>
>You talk like a total fool, obviously haven't understood a word I have
said,  have no
>comprehension either self or person.The little personality that is lost,
is the false ego
>you ill informed prat. You stupid boy, if you lose the sense of I then you
don't exist!
>If you lose "self referal" that is the "person" then you no longer exist
at all.  You are
>dead, gone, non existant.  Get it. Or do I have to run that by again for
the hard of
>thinking.  Why are you so bloody stupid that you can't see that the first
stage of
>experience of anything is to experience ones own being.  If you don't have
that you can't
>expereince anything because you don't exist.
>
>The true I  is not the false ego.

Well, let's not do anything that would cause the conversation to end or be
taken off-list.  If you can keep from offending people, we can get them to
keep talking, because then we can realize what ingredients they are using
to come to their conclusions.

It's possible that people are still using ingredients belonging to the
lower ego to try to come to realization with.  Jake implies that in
meditation he goes beyond his personal being and becomes merged in a sense
with the Higher Self or Ego.  It's like becoming a new being, with most
things we think of now being unrecognizable, but still virtuous qualities
continue.  Now that kind of contemplation would lead to his statements.


But all the same YOUR REAL I is leaving.  It isn't sticking around.  It's
has gone through some door never to return, so what have you accomplished?
A different type of purpose might be to put a hand out to an advanced being
who DOES want what we have and to make a trade.  We give you this octave
and you give us your octave.  Our ego has totally produced a form we kind
of like, so now let's give somebody else the same chance to make material
earth blossom and HOME.  How do we do this?  Well, for one thing if I'm
going to present myself into an octave from a being belonging to the next
kingdom of nature, I don't think I'm going to be able to operate there very
well.  I think there will be lots of "creation" that I can't get to
function, am unable to reproduce, and am at a loss for usage.  So I have
all these wonderful inventions and life energies that I need to step down
to my size.  Maybe, since this new HOME is alive, they'll resist a
"stepping down."  I hope there is some part of creation that is nourished
by a process called INVOLUTION.  This would please me a lot, because I am
committed to helping and aiding the life about me and I don't want lots of
resistance to "my needs being met."

On the other hand, there may not be a need for using and interacting with
material life.  Perhaps I'll be pretty much shut up in an egg where I can
think and think and think and plan and plan for the next materialization
into matter.  I might like some help planning my future.  I see a future
that interacts again with an animal kingdom on the next globe in this chain
just as theosophy predicts.  This time, I again will seek to "ascend" the
animal, but who wants to do animal training.  So far I have thought for
sure of voice lessons, dance lessons, and family life, as well as the more
traditional chemistry, mathematics, and biology.

Boy, the lot of the human family becoming teachers of mentally retarded is
a sure-fired way to get some dander up.

There's a lot to think about and I want some help, so don't just commend my
efforts as "belittling" of the lower self.  During the first three races,
I'm higher self.  The solar logos and earth can serve as higher self during
the fourth race and now during the fifth through seventh, I'm lower self
again, so I agree with Jake that the realizations, mentally, emotionally,
and physically are complete strains on my constitution as I am ASKED
politely, I hope, to accomplish certain tasks by the Higher Self, which is
now a completely incomprehensible being who I am blessed with.  Believe me,
it's a struggle and no one is talking to me, they tend to yell, that I'm
copping out.

Well, give us a little time to get the facts straight and we'll join hands.

Brenda
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