Theos-Talk Archives (June 1998 Message tt00467)

June 20th

Dallas offers:

As I see it Karma has no time limits.  We, too, as spirit/souls
resident in successive bodies (personalities) have no time
limits.  Of course our present "personality" which is transient
and constantly changing has a definite time sense, based on
memory and instruction (learning and education).

I definitely would not but HPB and CWL into the same category as
CWL diverged seriously from HPB.  The information of a basic
nature about Karma can be found in the KEY and there it speaks of
the "decision making" faculty as being that in which there is
personal growth.  In other words, our present "embodied minds"
are the growing and experiencing "pupil" or "subject for
self-improvement."

The fact that we can both be involved as the "experiencer," and
also the "detached onlooker," is a proof (to me) of the duality
of our own nature:  the Personal (doer) and the Immortal (the
observer).

This world, as the Buddha called it is the "World of works."  The
quality of the choices we make her and now guides our growth.
the growth is essentially mental -- of the mind and psyche.

The material we are developing is the sensitive "Monadic" mass of
entities ( life-atoms, also immortals too ) which coming tog
ether under their own laws provide us with our bodies and our
feeling and lower-mind natures.

Karma relates to those as an aggregate and also as units.  The
thesis is that we shape our bodies (perhaps as athletes, or as
trained technicians) in acts and duties that we assign to
ourselves and then discipline ourselves to perform (typing being
one example of this).

The pattern we impose on our lower nature includes an ethical
aspect:  the reason why we do what we do, and think what we
think. It is "motive."  Karma relates to our motives.

If we agree that here is in each of us an immortal Spirit/Soul,
then the "Karma"  (good or bad) that follows us around, is simply
the return to us of those Monads ( or groups of them ) which we
used and molded or affected in the past -- even the past that
this personality has no cognizance of (but which the eternal
EGO -- the HIGHER SELF -- has full cognizance of.  [ And that
statement is perhaps the real core of our debate.  Is it there or
not ?  Is it immortal or not ?  Is the "personality" perceptible
as another aspect of the Self in its continuous and continued
"living ?" ]

I fully agree that the personal memory of this life is not clear
at all about past lives or their effects on us now.

However there are "regressions" which tend to explain that there
is a hand-me-down memory of experiences in an earlier life which
affect our instinctive reactions this life -- and there is no
other explanation, unless we also take into account the fact that
a truly psychically sensitive person may well penetrate into the
"Astral Light" and be attracted to, or report on, those
experiences impacted there that relate to the instinctive memory
of an event of danger (or of pleasure) recorded there.  In such
cases we may be merely a witness of another's memories, besides
our "own."  I think this is worth considering too.

Apparently, acceding to theosophical teachings, there are many
ramifications in the Astral Light which can be explored and
experienced if we develop the WILL-integrity to do this without
loss of control over our own nature.

Hope this is of some help.  But, really what HPB says in the KEY,
I found to be most valuable -- on the subject of Karma, generally
and specifically about "unmerited suffering."

Best wishes,  Dallas

> Date: Friday, June 19, 1998 8:14 PM
> From: "Darren Porter" <dport@ozemail.com.au>
> Subject: Re: theos-talk-digest V1 #230

>At 02:29 AM 6/20/98 +0100, you wrote:
>>kymsmith@micron.net writes
>>>Definitely agree - hence, the popularity of the "Devil" - it's
all the
>>>Devil's fault, you know.