No cost, no obligation
Jun 13, 1998 02:43 AM
by Kym Smith
Dallas wrote to Kym:
>The reason for that in not unwillingness, but the fact that you
>do not seem to have the basic ideas of Theosophy at your
If you say so, Dallas.
>I do not have the time to argue with you.
Then don't. There is no requirement nor expectation on my part that you
respond to my postings. You are right: time is saved and arguments are
avoided when exchanges are between those who tend to agree with each other.
>. . .himself.
(sigh) Oh, well. . .I tried.
I am interested in
>what Theosophy has to say on various subjects. I have proved, to
>myself, that there is truth and verity in Theosophical source
>doctrines, but not in later writings by students who followed
>HPB, and especially in those who have written after her death and
>were "unsupervised," so to say, by the older and more advanced
>students, or her. ( And this ought to include what I write as
>well. And that is why I quote the references from which I draw
>inferences to answer questions. ) I look for the precedents set
>by HPB and W Q Judge, and use them as explanations for questions
>that arise. In so doing I offer areas where there is the record
>of Theosophical doctrine. I will admit that there are new
>questions and objections all the time, however, I have found that
>familiarity with those basic doctrines gives the careful and
>sincere student the necessary keys to unlock the doors of
>understanding for himself. It is better that way that placing
>reliance on someone else.
>I feel sometimes like a librarian would, showing others where to
>find the answers they seek, but not participating in the
>I hope you understand what I am trying to say. It is not the
>first time that I have rubbed up against your queries, and
>objections. So I thought I would take time out and explain to
>you my policy and procedure.
>With best wishes, Dallas
>- -----Original Message-----
>From: "Kym Smith" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
>Date: Thursday, June 11, 1998 2:27 AM
>Subject: Lords of Karma Management Plans
>>>Kym -- humor aside, the veggie "karma" is not individualized --
>>Excuse me, but Dallas, are you implying I am engaged in
>>a vegetable's karma? Personally, my heart wails with grief over
>>turnip's plight - it is destined to become, well, poop! or, as
>>wrote "being rejected and rotting" - that AND being required to
>haul a load
>>of karma along seems way too mean a fate for the little turnip.
>>however, apologize on your behalf to the vegetable kingdom for
>>>it is a kind of group karma in which the individual monads
>>>undergo a vast period of experience as parts of the animal
>>>vegetable and mineral kingdoms -- through the constant
>>>interchange of atoms and molecules (or rather the
>>>focus (we use the word Monad) that is experiencing).
>>But still, this doesn't seem fair nor right. It seems the
>>enviously possessed of attractive attire - are sort of on the
>>with that "age of consent" business. They say one is
>>"free-will decisions" after age seven (way too early, if you ask
>>that's beside the point). Why should there be such a thing as
>>karma" (group karma) if the turnip (or group of turnips) cannot
>>Although you did say that there is no "individualization" of
>karma for the
>>turnip, you did seem to say that there was still some being
>generated - yes?
>>Maybe there are two types of karma? Karma which is the
>"causation" (part of
>>the creative force) and karma that is generated by "free-will
>>I must say Jerry and Alan do have convincing points in that
>>(karma) should be experienced very soon after the action in
>order for one to
>>learn and understand fully what one is supposed to learn and
>>fully. It really does not make sense that a human is dealing
>>consequences of events that happened eons ago - this very
>process adds to
>>the frustration of humanity and is reflected in the rise of
>>religions and cults. Popular reasons for our suffering include
>>testing you/us." or "If Eve hadn't eaten the apple, humanity
>wouldn't be in
>>the trouble they are in." or "There is a hell." or "There is a
>>"God is dead."
>>It would seem that The Big Cheese or The Big Cheese's Helpers
>>aliens, or other such beings) would have known such a
>>take place as a result of such a Karma plan. If the Lords of
>>shaking their heads wondering why humanity just ain't gettin'
>it - they've
>>really only themselves, or the Big One, to blame. This is the
>>having the SAME IMMORTAL BEINGS being in control for a long
>period of time -
>>we need look only at China or the corporate world for examples
>of "the ole'
>>boys network" needing a revamp. I think we need to elect new
>leaders - NEW
>>Lords of Karma and NEW Mahatmas and New All Other Big-Wigs.
>>>Our chief barrier at present is the lack of knowledge of
>>>the ethical effects of our choices and actions.
>>Nicely put. But why the barrier in the first place? Why was
>>seemingly able to overshadow the spiritual? If things really
>are such gravy
>>on the spiritual side, why so easy to forget that gravy once in
>>Why choose the flesh over the spiritual?
>>>Anything else ?
>>Uh. . .is this a trick question. . .or are you simply being
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