Theos-Talk Archives (May 1998 Message tt00373)

Pam Giese wrote:
>
> > From: "Dallas TenBroeck" <dalval@nwc.net>
> ---------<<<snip>>-
> > What does it matter ?  HPB was initiated and there is a Grand
> > Lodge that has survived the aeons since "Man was Man."  And
> > through Theosophy we have an opportunity of making a closer
> > contact with the wisdom that the Brothers preserve.  Are we going
> > to waste time on the details of temporality when we have a grand
> > philosophy to work with and use ?  Are we seriously working with
> > that philosophy to prove or not prove to ourselves its value ?
>
> I am glad to see this paragraph.

Same here, and same for yours and the postings that followed.
I'd respectfully say to Dallas:  millions of us are seriously working
with "that philosophy" to understand it and us and the havoc we do, not
to prove or disprove its value :)

> I would
> also think this would mean taking a real cross-cultural approach to
> interperating this knowledge and experience.

I think it's simply a case of semantics as far as sharing experiences
and interpretations.  (Interesting discussion with a Seik once who saw
me as an Anglo Dog, until he exclaimed, "that's much like what we
believe in".  Big smile).  Whether one believes that this truth resides
elsewhere to be sought and held, or resides within to be released and
shared, or resides in an infinite mixture of the two, simply determines
the path, not the beginning or end.  What the people have done with the
knowlege and/or forgetting of, is a whole different matter, as written
history constantly reminds us.

> Maybe I'm off-base here. Please correct me if I'm wrong.   I've only been
> on the list a few months and officially with the TSA a little over a year.
> Maybe the whole thrust is just an exercise in the archeology of Victorian
> occultism.

I'm just a lurker and only feel the effects of the TSA when my husband
tries to live it and impacts me whether he likes to think he does or
not, but I'm well aware of this occultism hang up through TSA and its
readings (philosophical and historical), and the other side through
Spiritualist friends and visit to Lily Dale, and can only say honestly
now: get past it TSA, pleeeeease.  IMHO, it makes you more vulnerable to
deny it.

>  As I've been staring at my TSA renewal notice, I've been asking myself if
> the TS is still a vital organization where new thought and the energy is
> being pumped through its veins.  I'm not sure.  Do the Masters talk to
> through the TS more than to Bill Gates or members on this list?  I don't
> know.

An organization is simply the people who make it up and when all people
in concert, much more?
Do the Masters not talk through you, through this list, through stones
and trees, in the whisperings of the wind?

> What is this real work?  Is it service?  Investigation?  Let's open for
> ideas.

Perhaps to take the fragments of the whole truth, us, and put us back
together, whole in truth.

> Libidia and Alan had some banter about doing coffee 15,000 years ago.
> (Okay, maybe I'm clueless and you two have recent history together, but..)
> I do believe that we all have had some connection before, whether is was
> coffee with Libidia or trailing after Avicenna as he fled princedom to
> princedom, we have shared history.

You bet we have.  Whether you call truth God and say you are "made" as a
physical representation "in his image", identical but only part of, or
you say spirit resides in all, or you choose to think in any permutation
of the colours of the rainbow spanning each end, after walking the
circle or climbing the pyramid or flying the spiral, you meet yourself
again where space has no boundaries and time folds in on itself and the
physical body appears as a fantastic tool for treading the path.

However, we can't use this knowlege if we have fear, doubt, and need.

As for service, investigation ?.........
I have experienced the creation in whole and in part (and have done a
bit of procreating myself) and have decided that when each part
manifests perfection in itself and simply does and is it, the truth will
be achieved.  I think HPB is a good example of this.  She went for it
for herself and the brotherhood of man was a natural progression.
Selflessness through self development (or releasing, depending on
whether you're comfortable with either Holy Grail scenario or Acendance
method).

As for Alan and I .... Alan was the first cyber Theosophist in my
current life to hold out his hand to me and pass on some spirit.  He was
quickly followed by many more.  I recognised him first as a Puritan and
second as a Druid.  He's part of the teaching of me, (whether he
realizes it or not,) to be in spirit without the standing stones and
rolling hills.
Cheers Pam
Annette