Theos-Talk Archives (May 1998 Message tt00009)

April 30th  (Real May 1st)

Dear Thoa: O

 I do not think that the language used in presenting theosophy is
a criterion.  Some of the best literature in English is from
Shakespeare on -- we don't actually speak that way, as colloquial
English has changed.  But the language of ideas, of logic, of
Science and philosophy remain pretty much in place -- to be
accurate we have to agree to learn the "language" of any
discipline we desire to probe to its base.

A good idea is to start with the "basics."  That is one reason
you find me quoting, and insisting on the value of "original
teachings" -- they are our common base.  There are NO SHORTCUTS
to wisdom.  WE either become master of research, or remain a
butterfly dilettante.  The decision is always ours.

There is a lot of "waltzing around" and flourishing likes and
dislikes, half-baked ideas and fragments of truth -- how does one
make a good cake of all that ?  Who desires to become a master
cook -- that is, if you like cooking !   Or a master artist, if
one is inclined to any one of the great arts !

And yet, some are born with much knowledge already part of their
make-up.  Some have a natural inclination towards the ideas that
Theosophy deals with.  How, then, in this incarnation, can our
personalities be steered into a path that gives us greater depth
and flexibility ?  Who is boss here ? Our likes, or our demands
for facts and accuracy ?  What is real progress ?

Language is one of those -- to a Shakespeare, a Bacon. a
Tennyson, a Shelley,
a Huxley, a Darwin,  an Einstein -- for any of us.

Hope these few freely expressed thoughts do not offend.
Dal.

> From: "Thoa Thi-Kim Tran" <thoalight@aol.com>
> Date: Thursday, April 30, 1998 12:40 AM
> Subject: Quick reincarnation

>Does this mean that minority groups with economic and
educational
>disadvantage are composed mostly of the lower category souls?  I
can see
>why traditional Theosophy would appeal mostly to white
Victorians.
>
>Thoa :o)
>
>Llhem:
>>Good question! Many past life regressions have the soul
"staying out" about
>>ten to twenty years, maybe a hundred at the most, before coming
back. Are
>>these past life memories accurate? Is Blavatsky's 1,000 to
1,500 year interim
>>way off the mark?
>>
>>Check out P. Pavri's THEOSOPHY EXPLAINED (1930), on pages 177
and 178. The
>>following "criteria" is given for intervals between
incarnations.
>>
>>1. Those on the Path - they reincarnate within a few months or
years if they
>>choose to continue their work on the physical plane for the
Masters. If not,
>>their interval; between lives is 1,500 to 2,000 years. No time
spent on the
>>Astral Plane.
>>
>>2. Those approaching the Path - the interval is between 700 to
1,200 (5 years
>>on the Astral Plane, the rest in Devachan except for about 50
years in the
>>Causal Body on the Higher Mental Plane.
>>
>>3.  Gentleman with a keen sense of honour and above average in
goodness,
>>intellect and religious feeling, the best type of professional
men, city-
>>merchants and country-gentleman, and others who are well
developed and
>>altruistic - a 600 to 1000 year interval, 20- to 25 on the
Astral Plane. Only
>>a touch of consciousness in the Causal Body.
>>
>>4. Upper middle class, like most city merchants, gentlemen
still, a little
>>below average in goodness, intellect and religious feelings,
who turn their
>>intellect to more material ends, a life less elevated than the
professional
>>man - an interval between lives of 500 years, 25 years on the
Astral Plane,
>>the rest in Devachan. No conscious life in the Causal Body
except for one
>>flash of memory before incarnating.
>>
>>5. The great mass of the lower middle class, small shopkeepers,
shop
>>assistants, farmers conventional, dull and narrow, though
well-intentioned -
>>an average interval of 200 to 300 years with 40 years on the
Astral Plane and
>>the rest spent on the lower levels of Devachan.
>>
>>6.  The working classes, skilled laborers working with both
hands and heads,
>>men of respectability and character - 100 to 200 years, 40 on
the 4th subplane
>>of the Astral Plane, the rest in the lower subplanes of
Devachan (Lower
>>Mental).
>>
>>7. Unskilled labour, well meaning but careless, high types of
savages - 60 to
>>100 years between lives, 40 to 50 on the lower Astral Plane,
the remainder on
>>the lowest subplane of Devachan.
>>
>>8. Savages of a comparatively mild type, some hill tribes,
wastrels,
>>unemployable and drunkards, slum-dwellers - 40 to 50 years on
the lowest
>>subdivision of the Astral Plane.
>>
>>9. Lowest specimens of humanity, brutal savages, habitual
criminals,
>>hooligans, wife and child beaters - 5 years on the lowest
subplane of the
>>Astral Plane.
>>
>>
>>The Empire lives in the after-life! Long live Queen Victoria!
>>
>>Lmhem111
>>
>>Added Note: include footmen, grooms, gamekeepers, maids (both
upstairs and
>>downstairs) in Classification 6