Theos-Talk Archives (April 1998 Message tt00106)

Govert wrote:

K has unparallelled stature because he was trained for many lives to be
the
vehicle for a far superior consciousness. He was not just luckily born
with
it, nor did CWL just luckily pick him. It was all part of a plan, and
both K
and HPB were aware of that.

How do you KNOW HPB was aware of "that"?

Daniel

Govert Schuller wrote:
>
> mkr wrote:
>
> >It is also a fact that when K started to speaking, there was none of his
> >stature nor charisma in the Theosophical Society -- even today we do not
> >have any nor do I see any in the horizon -- we had and have many scholars
> >but none anywhere close to his stature, at least it in my humble opinion.
> >Others may not agree. The leadership does have an effect on the growth of
> >membership. The steady downward slide in membership worldwide since K's
> >"Truth is a Pathless Land" statement is still continuing with no end in
> >sight, It could be that the work of TS is over and that may be its destiny,
> >who knows.
>
> K has unparallelled stature because he was trained for many lives to be the
> vehicle for a far superior consciousness. He was not just luckily born with
> it, nor did CWL just luckily pick him. It was all part of a plan, and both K
> and HPB were aware of that.
>
> Again from my "Krishnamurti and the World Teacher Project: Some Theosophical
> Perceptions."
>
> "Reinforcing this view is an interesting, and at first sight puzzling,
> remark Krishnamurti made about Annie Besant and the Theosophical Society
> during an equally interesting conversation in 1979 with his friends, Radha
> Burnier and Pupul Jayakar, while discussing Burnier's possible candidacy for
> the presidency of the Theosophical Society. “Mrs.Besant intended the land
> at Adyar [the T.S. international headquarters] to be meant for the
> teaching. The Theosophical Society has failed, the original purpose is
> destroyed.” This remark contains many assumptions and finds its proper
> context in Besant's understanding of the mission of the Theosophical Society
> and the role of Krishnamurti therein. Annie Besant thought she was
> fulfilling a mission of the Theosophical Society, which was not stated as
> one of its official objectives, but was given to it by Helena P.
> Blavatsky--one of the founders of the Theosophical Society and the society's
> main source of ideas--when she, at the close of her life, announced the
> coming of a “torch-bearer of Truth” for the later part of the twentieth
> century. The mission of the Theosophical Society, according to Blavatsky,
> was to prepare the way for this “new leader” and prepare “the minds of
> men....for his message.” At his arrival the Theosophical Society would be
> available to him to remove the “merely mechanical, material obstacles and
> difficulties from his path.” Indicating the possibility of a glorious
> long-term goal of this plan, she states that if “the Theosophical Society
> survives and lives true to its mission...earth will be a heaven in the
> twenty-first century.” When Besant was challenged about her involvement in
> the Order of the Star and her speaking of “the T.S. as being the Herald of
> the coming Teacher,” she defended herself by referring explicitly to
> Blavatsky's view about the future mission of the Theosophical Society: “My
> crime is that I share it, and do what my poor powers permit in preparing the
> minds of men for that coming.” Besant wrote that the only difference between
> herself and Blavatsky regarding the coming of “the next great Teacher” was
> that “she put that event perhaps half a century later than I do. Which of
> us is right only time can show.”
> I think it is reasonable to state that the particulars of Blavatsky's and
> Besant's views were picked up by Krishnamurti during his formative years.
> He might even have read Blavatsky's statement referred to above. If so,
> this might provide the ground to put Krishnamurti's remark in historical
> perspective, and to explain the underlying structural similarity between his
> remark and Blavatsky's vision. With this in mind a reconstructed reading of
> Krishnamurti's statement would result in the following: “Mrs.Besant [and
> Blavatsky] intended [subscribed to the view that] the land at Adyar [the
> Theosophical Society] to be meant [to be available] for the teaching [for
> the teacher]. The Theosophical Society has failed [did not to cooperate],
> the original purpose [the mission of the Theosophical Society to herald and
> aid the teacher] is destroyed [has not been fulfilled].” The point of this
> digression is to show that implicit in this remark is the self-perception of
> Krishnamurti as the teacher, who was expected and did come, but found the
> Theosophical Society not cooperative."
>
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