Theos-Talk Archives (April 1998 Message tt00084)

April 6th 1998

Dallas writes:

Dear Doss, and other friends on the 'line' :

I've been reading the messages flying around in the past few days
speculating on the relation of HPB to the Masters and whether a
"new 'messenger'" will arrive before 1999. etc., etc.,

Also, as to whether certain claims and messages said to
emanate from various "High Beings," are true, useful or accurate.

I recall a statement made by someone, which stuck in my mind. It
runs like this:

 " The unwise look for a "messenger," while the wise look for
a message." Brief and sharp.

To me the implication is: learn what earlier "messengers" have
taught. Compare, extract that which is common-sense. In this we
become our own teachers, and do not require any outside teachers,
although we are always able to welcome good advice.

Compare the mission of HPB with those of which we have
records from the past -- most of them focused on practical morality. HPB
gave the reasons for morality. She dealt in logic, in universal
principles, and in the inter-relation of effects which produce
causes, not only on the originator, but on all others who are
affected -- you and me and the whole living world.

She came at a time when the yoke of a religion (widespread in the
West) that demands lip and ritual compliance (or torture or
death) had been forced to slacken its hold sufficiently, so that
the reign of impersonal and practical science had arrived.
However, even that liberating science needed deeper roots. It
needs to be able to see deeper causes than those which, by
observation, it seems to find primary. These, HPB provided and
those who are wise in the Academies have seized upon those ideas
and they have or are currently using them.

Liberalism and tolerance, more than ever before ( and in spite of
devastating world-wide wars) rule us and our ways. Also the
freedom of research leads into greater depths of cause- seeking,
in all departments of science and in the humanities, and these
are put to use in government and in human relations all round the
world -- not speedily of course, but with great effort and
slowly.

So if we are able to stand back we can see how Theosophy has
indeed influenced world-thought. Sylvia Cranston in her recent
biography of HPB devotes a few chapters to show this.

To my mind it is not a question of who to look for, but of how
we, working and living now with this marvelous wisdom available,
can use it to help others. Can we make it possible for an
"Avatara" to return ? Do we deserve it ?

In the "theosophical world" there are divisions which have arisen
because (in my esteem) people have looked for short-cuts
convenient to their personal ways of thinking. So in various
directions various "theosophical bodies" have taken off each in
their own tradition. But it is HPB and her writings on behalf of
the Masters of Wisdom that is the focal point for all this.

Every time that a great being incarnates to help mankind there is
a focusing of great effort in terms of knowledge and ethics --
and we are still in the embrace of the effort begun over 100
years back. In our "Theosophical" literature we are given hints,
such as in the last pages of THE KEY TO THEOSOPHY, now quoted
indicating how much more could be done if there is unity of
effort and knowledge. Workers for the Great Lodge do not only
come at 100 year intervals, when the "season" is more propitious,
they come when needed. If we apply theosophy in our lives, we
make it possible for Them to come and give added assistance. We
recognize them when we have made Theosophy a living power in our
lives. This is an effort that each one does for themselves, and
then encourages others to do for themselves, and in this there is
a great union of brothers and sisters.

Look around. How many of us truly have studied Theosophy so as
to know how Karma works, and where. So as to know what in man
actually reincarnates, and what does not. Knows what the "Astral
Light" is , and what are the "elementals" that live therein along
with many other kinds of "beings."

Are we convinced of the Unity of the Universe so that we actually
practice brotherhood, or do we have reservations about this, or
that individual because of they way in which they write or think
? Where do tolerance and generosity arise ?

Finally, take what HPB says about evolution as a whole -- the
grand idea that all living things (the "life-atoms") are
potential mind-men, given enough time (as immortals) to become so
through experience. Where did we acquire our minds ? How are we
using them ? Where are we going ? How does one become a Mahatma
? -- these are of course rhetorical questions, but are only
advanced by me to indicate all the avenues of work and thought
that we can handle.

If we do this in harmony and without waving politics, and
impossible hopes around, we all, taken together may accomplish
something useful. Again taking the KEY quotation and the
necessary setting required for a "new messenger" to work
effectively -- which of the various theosophical bodies today
provides a tolerant, generous, and freedom from political power,
and money-interested environment ? No. I do not mean for you or
anyone of our friends to answer this, but only to think about it.

I do not claim to have any answers that are sure or "pat." But I
do have a lot of questions that I have been asking myself for a
very long number of years. I can also say that I have found a
number of answers in theosophical literature written by HPB.

Best wishes as always, Dallas

>From: "M K Ramadoss" <ramadoss@eden.com>
>Date: Sunday, April 05, 1998 12:21 AM
>Subject: Re:Question: What signs HPB left to locate new messenger?
>
>At 12:32 AM 4/5/1998 -0600, you wrote:
>>M K Ramadoss wrote Saturday, April 04, 1998 11:00 PM:
>>
>>>Could there be others who are also messengers?
>>
>>That is an interesting question. There is one point that is
not entirely
>clear
>>to me in HBP's writings. First, HPB says this person will
come between
>>1975-1999. After which she says it would be too late. Notice
additionally,
>>that she says the person is a "HE." ECP is a "SHE." As well
as the
>knowledge
>>that Summit Lighthouse is not Theosophy organization. Please
notice the text
>>repeated
>>below and then my additional comments following.
>>
>>> united body of people ready to welcome the new torch-bearer
>>> of Truth. He will find the minds of men prepared for his
message, a
>language
>>> ready for him in which to clothe the new truths he brings, an
organization
>>> awaiting his arrival, which will remove the merely
mechanical, material
>>> obstacles and difficulties from his path."
>>> --H.P. Blavatsky, The Key to Theosophy
>>> (London: Theosophical Publishing Co., 1889), pp.
306-307.
>>
>>
>>G. de Purucker mentions in the appendix area of
FOUNTAIN-SOURCE OF
>OCCULTISM
>>that HBP said she would return after another person had started
an
>organization
>>for HPB to work within. That seems to match the text above. I
don't have
>>Puruckers book to refer to at this moment. If someone could
look it up
>and add
>>it into this information, I would appreciate it very much as it
would
>complete
>>some thoughts I am having regarding this subject! I would
return the favor
>>gladly in some other way!
>>
>>Mr. Ramadoss, do you have any additional thoughts or supporting
information
>>based on Theosophy regarding this subject as I would appreciate
them in my
>own
>>search for the answer to your question?
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> J M Hoover
>
>HPB was very clear about the messenger to be expected this
century. From
>what I have read, Krishnamurti fits the scenario except that he
did not
>pursue the plan that was expected of him by Annie Besant and
Leadbeater.
>With all the hype and the tremendous influence that Annie Besant
had and
>also the very close relationship Krishnaji had with her -- he
always
>referred her as mother -- he came out with the startling stand
that "Truth
>is a Pathless Land" and no organization or no system can take
one to Truth.
>He stuck to it rest of his life with no wavering or
modification.
>
>Considering the huge number of people who have been affected by
>Krishnamurti, there is a very good possibility he may fit the
profile.
>
>Having said all this, no one can be sure. May be a 1,000
>years from now, if
>no one knows about Krishnamurti or his writings/speeches, then
we can
>dismiss him. If on the other hand his philosophy flourishes at
that time,
>then it would be a corrobortive information.
>
>However there are many who does not think that he does not fit
the profile.
>So this argument may go on for many years to come.
>
>The above is just my view. Others mileage and direction may
vary.
>
>mkr
>
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