Theos-Talk Archives (February 1998 Message tt00380)

Yes, letters need authentication.
Of course. Yet when JHE recounts
secretaries writing letters
and W Judge's signature being
stamped on letters, this scenario
not applying to two 1895 letters
of W Judge.

I've read "O E Library Critic" articles.
In Novem 1932 magazine, article's title is
"A letter from W.Q. Judge to Dr. A. Keightley."
Besides letterhead, rest of letter "written
in ink in the handwriting of William Q. Judge."
Transcript of dead Mrs Blavatsky's words
also in W Judge's handwriting.  This
certified by Iverson L Harris, Joseph H
Fussell, Elsie V Savage, Margherita Siren &
Helen Harris. Earlier JHE claimed W Judge
was in England at time of writing letter
but Dr Stokes confirms W Judge was residing
in New York early Janu 1895.

2nd W Judge letter in article "A
letter from W.Q. Judge to Katherine Tingely."
"Critic" Octo 1932.
After transcription, certification reads-----
"The above is an exact copy made by me
of an original letter in William Q. Judge's
handwriting, written on two sides of
one sheet of white paper." etc etc etc etc
Signed Iverson L Harris & confirmed
J H Fussell, Helena Harris, Elsie V
Savage & Margherita Siren.

Other version of dead Mrs Blavatsky's messages
in W Judge's handwriting examined by
Dr Stokes & old friends of W Judge---------
"I was furnished with photographs of most of these
forgotten and now rediscovered documents.  These
I compared, with the assistance of old friends of Judge,
with unquestionably genuine and personal letters of
Judge in their possession and in the presence of a person
expert in examining handwriting, and the unanimous
conclusion was that the documents were actually
written by Judge."
"Critic" Novem----Decem 1934

Letters are stored in Point Loma archives.  Where is this?
Point Loma Pubs San Diego or Theos Soc Pasadena?
Again I ask D Tenbroeck & JHE for correct location &
email address.  Let's write letters asking for verification.
Since both you well known students & with own libraries,
why not write to verify instead of expressing doubt
& vague generalities?

D Green


>Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 13:45:01 -0800
>From: "Jerry Hejka-Ekins" <jjhe@netfeed.com>
>Subject: Re:U L T book speaks out on W Judge & dead
Blavatsky/K Tingley &    deceased Judge
>
>Thanks Dallas for this post.  I was beginning to feel like a lone voice
>in the wilderness.  Yes, published Judge's letters do need to be
>authenticated.  Very commonly, these letters were written by his
>secretaries with Judge's signature *stamped* on.  In these very
frequent
>cases, we have no way of knowing if Judge even saw the letter.  Judge
>was often in another town, state or country--or sometimes he was
present
>but too ill to tend to business.  Also, a thorough knowledge of the
>events that were occurring at the time a letter was written is vital to
>understanding it.  Further, knowing whether the letter was meant to be
>private, public, official, unofficial, an opinion, policy etc. are all
>critical questions in evaluating these letters.  In the case of  this
>Rajah business and Tingley's relationship to it, there is far more that
>is unknown and will probably never be known than what is.  I think your
>view of evaluating the letters in terms of being universal and
unselfish
>or self serving  is an excellent way of looking at them, and is the
best
>we can do when the other factors are missing.
>
>Thanks
>Jerry
>
>Dallas TenBroeck wrote:
>
>> Feb 25th '98
>>
>> Judge letters verbatim reprints sound probably authentic, but
>> cannot say until originals are seen -- handwriting to be
>> verified.  Evidently not written for publication, and as notes to
>> a friend.  No, I do not think that Judge DEPENDED on Mr.s t. for
>> messages from the Masters.  he had his own channel secure.  and
>> though ill, he may have used her then pure power to save himself
>> some energy -- later she may have lost her purity -- such are the
>> falls and rises of the "chelas" in their pursuit of occultism --
>> the temptations that may enter and to which anyone can succumb
>> (witness the example of ZANONI in Bulwer-Lytton's novel) are
>> there.  So Mrs. Tingley close to Judge and during his life is not
>> necessarily the same Mrs. Tingley after his death !!!!  The only
>> way any one can be judged by non-adepts is through their words.
>> Are they Universal ?  Are the unselfish ?  Is there anything
>> there that is at all self-serving ?  If so, mistrust such a
>> message.
>>
>> That's the way I would look at the matter.
>> Dallas
>>
>


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