Theos-Talk Archives (February 1998 Message tt00379)

Feb 25th '98

Judge letters verbatim reprints sound probably authentic, but
cannot say until originals are seen -- handwriting to be
verified.  Evidently not written for publication, and as notes to
a friend.  No, I do not think that Judge DEPENDED on Mr.s t. for
messages from the Masters.  he had his own channel secure.  and
though ill, he may have used her then pure power to save himself
some energy -- later she may have lost her purity -- such are the
falls and rises of the "chelas" in their pursuit of occultism --
the temptations that may enter and to which anyone can succumb
(witness the example of ZANONI in Bulwer-Lytton's novel) are
there.  So Mrs. Tingley close to Judge and during his life is not
necessarily the same Mrs. Tingley after his death !!!!  The only
way any one can be judged by non-adepts is through their words.
Are they Universal ?  Are the unselfish ?  Is there anything
there that is at all self-serving ?  If so, mistrust such a
message.

That's the way I would look at the matter.
Dallas

>From: "David Green" <davidgreen@hotmail.com>
>Date: Tuesday, February 24, 1998 9:30 PM
>Subject: U L T book speaks out on W Judge & dead Blavatsky/K Tingley & deceased Judge


>
>"Theosophical Movement"-----1951
>title for sale by United Lodge
>of Theosophists-----offers [below]
>commentary on purported messages
>W Judge received from dead Mrs
>Blavatsky.
>
>"In 1932, several years after
>the death of Mrs. Tingley, some
>of the 'notes' or pages from the
>'occult diary' [of W Judge] came
>to light in the pages of the
>'O.E. Libary Critic.'  Dr. H.N.
>Stokes, editor of the 'Critic,'
>then expressed his own opinion
>that the 'notes' were in Judge's
>handwriting, but left the reader
>to conclude that this identifi-
>cation proves, not that Mrs.
>Tingley was properly chosen as
>Judge's successor in the
>'true line' of the Movement,
>but rather that Judge was
>deluded into thinking that
>he had received spiritualistic
>communications from H.P.B.!
>Now if Dr. Stokes suspected
>that Judge was a broken reed,
>the victim of such psychic
>follies, how could Mr. Ryan
>cite Stokes in support of the
>Tingley succession?  Mr. Ryan,
>apparently, welcomed Stokes'
>judgment that the psychically
>received notes were in Judge's
>handwriting, but the price
>he paid for this vindication
>was the reduction of Judge to a
>dabbler in Spirtualism, a
>mere psychic dupe.  Judge,
>whom H.P.B. called 'part of
>myself for aeons past,'
>needed a medium, a 'helper,'
>to get in touch with H.P.B.!
>What can succession to such a
>'leader' be worth?............
>.............
>The Theosophical 'succession'
>of Mrs. Tingley thus becomes
>lost in a morass of psychic
>delusion, of claims and
>counter-claims.  If the
>'evidence' for it be accepted,
>Judge becomes a guileless psychic
>and virtual 'disciple' of Mrs.
>Tingley.  If the evidence is
>rejected, Mrs. Tingley becomes
>at best a self-deluded woman, at
>worst a charlatan, and so, also,
>her close supporters." pages
>286-88
>
>Central question:
>Are W Judge epistles [posted
>during last 10 days on theos-talk
>forum] forgeries or authentic
>letters?
>
>I recd. late today copies of
>Dr Stokes articles on subject.
>I'll post more when I
>study articles.
>
>D Green