Theos-Talk Archives (January 1998 Message tt00095)

Jan 13th 1998

IMVHO  (very humble opinion)	Dallas offers:

While not settling discussion at all, these usages have, to me, seemed to
settle the difficulty of determining the links between "spirit" and
"mater," and the question of the ABSOLUTE as an eternal, and indescribable
"back-
ground," from which and to which all qualities and beings flow -- as
emanations and as reabsorption.

If asked for the CAUSE of this enormous evolutionary scheme, all I have
been able to think of is that the intelligence which is generated in the
many interactions of "Spirit" and "Matter" seems to have a superior power
to either of the pair taken separately.

1.	PARAMATMAM	  =  	ABSOLUTELESSNESS
				no qualities which can possibly LIMIT IT.

2.	ATMAN		=	UNIVERSAL SPIRIT -- as distinguished in
				manifestation from "MATTER/form"

				Mind-manas = connecting link between
				"Spirit" and "Matter."

3.	ATMA		=	portion of the UNIVERSAL SPIRIT which
				resides in "man" -- as it does in every
				other being in the Universe.

4.	UNIVERSE	=	periodical manifestation -- to our
				perception apparently unlimited in the
				dimensions we are able to sense in.
				"Man's Mind" seems to be evidence, as
				it can be directed to consider these, of
				their being necessary to logical thought.

5.	UNIVERSE	=	A time/space/motion aspect of the
				ABSOLUTE which comes periodically into
				being because of the Law of Karma .  When
				and why this started, and when or why it will
				end does not seem to be discernable.  We
				can only say that we are present, now, in it.

6.	MONAD	=	Atma-Buddhi  [Atmic "ray" to which its 				experience, as
"Buddhi" is cemented]
				(SD I 174-5 footnote)

7.	MONAD (Triune)  =	Atma-Buddhi-Manas  [ Manas-higher mind
				linked to MONAD gives it possibility of 				contacting intelligence in
the limitations of
				evolutionary progress in the Universe.
				(SD I 247, 174fn,  II 79-80 )

8.	MATTER	=	Forms in which intelligence develops and 				flourishes through
experience culminating in
				the human form with the embodied mind --
				this embodied mind being a reflection of the
				"Higher Manas" but in close contact with
				the highest intelligence that "form" can
				develop:  sensitivity, instinct, feeling, desire
				(Kama)  -- thus "Kama-Manas" are the two
				principles, which coming together, are the
				intimate link between "spirit" and "matter."
				(SD II 79-80, 109-110,  I 86, 247 )

9.	MAYA		=	All is impermanent except the "pure bright 				essence of
Alaya."  A "beam of light 				immaculate within, a form of clay material
	upon the lower surface.	"

10.  "ignorance of the 'Earthly ray'	=
				The earthly "ray" is only a reflection of the
				Higher Mind.  As such it has to "win its own
				immortality" by the continued process of
				studying Nature and applying the ethical 				and moral logic that is
derived from an 				understanding of universal law.

	This is as I understand the various relations to be and of course there
may seem to be contradictions in what I write.  Please let me know if this
is of any help or if something needs to be expanded further.

					Dallas TenBroeck

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> From: "Mark Kusek" <mark@withoutwalls.com>
> Subject: Re:Fractals
> Date: Monday, January 12, 1998 10:24 PM
>
> Jerry Schueler wrote:
> >
> > Maya means illusion, but even an illusion has a reality. Buddhists
> > call the reality of maya a conventional truth and separate this from
> > what they call absolute truth.
>
> So the reality of maya is conventional reality as opposed to absolute
> reality?
>
> > I believe that the "ray" is sent into matter mainly for the pleasure
> > and fun of self-expression, Brenda. I have yet to hear of any other
> > reason that makes sense to me.
>
> How do you account for the "ray's" ignorance of it's own nature while in
> matter?
>
> Mark