Theos-Talk Archives (November 1997 Message tt00413)

You are right and your msg is timely.

As a matter of fact I posted a msg some time back which was an article by
HPB who clearly said TS was *not* started as a school for chelas. Let me
locate it and post it again.

mkr


At 10:10 AM 11/25/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Please give a reference to the statement that "HPB thought of the TS as
>a recruiting camp for Chelas". As I understand the history of the
>Theosophical Movement only HPB and the Mahatma was in communication with
>each other. How could any one else Know what was being planed for the TS
>in 1875 let alone in 1997. There has been to much on this site from
>people who are miss leading those who know very little about The Madam
>and the Mahatma she was under. Its is time for all true students of
>THEOSOPHY to defend this great soul against the insults of the SJ. And
>for the record this cycle of the Theosophical Movement and Tsong-Kha-Pa
>are very much connected since the 14th century.
> Spencer
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "Bhive888 (Bruce)" <bhive888@pac.com.au>
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 1997 12:27 AM
>> Subject: Re:The Mahatmas/soulless corpse
>>
>> Our learned friend MKR writes
>> > But couple of things are reasonable to consider. Firstly HPB having
>> been
>> > instrumental in launching the TS, I dont think we should ignore her
>> quotes
>> > as to why TS was launched and what the prime object was.
>>
>> The concepts of Motherhood and Brotherhood cannot reasonably argued
>> with.
>> They pre-date Theosophy by thousands of years. But just preaching
>> about
>> Brotherhood without the spiritual teachings in place is like telling
>> your
>> fireplace to get warm, without putting in the wood and lighting it.
>>
>> If 19th century materialistic thinking was allowed to continue on the
>> way
>> it
>> was going, unchecked by the spiritual revelations brought forward by
>> H.P.B., there would have been dire consequences for Humanity as a
>> whole.
>> These thoughts worked homeopathically as a salve, which helped herald
>> in a
>> new era.
>>
>> "Colonel Olcott thought of the Society as an organisation for
>> developing
>> Brotherhood and religious tolerance. H.P.B. thought of it not in that
>> light
>> alone, but also as a recruiting camp for Chelas who, after occult
>> training,
>> would carry on the work from generation to generation.....
>>
>> " This divergence in objective became most marked after the Couloumb
>> attack
>> in 1884. Colonel Olcott almost went out of his way to ignore the
>> occult
>> basis of the society; so far did he go that, about 1888, the Master
>> K.H.
>> told H.P.B. that
>> "the Society has liberated itself from our grasp and
>> influence and we have let it go- we make no unwilling slaves. He says
>> he
>> has saved it? He has saved its body, but he allowed through fear its
>> soul
>> to escape; it is now a soulless corpse, a machine run so far well
>> enough,
>> but will fall to pieces when he is gone. Out of the three objects the
>> second alone is attended to, but it is no longer either a
>> brotherhood, nor
>> a body over the face of which broods the spirit from beyond the Great
>> Range. His kindness and love of peace are great and truly Gautamic in
>> their
>> spirit; but he has misapplied that kindness."
>>
>> H.P.B.'s memorandum of this talk with the Master is at Adyar.
>> Foreword in Letters from the Masters of Wisdom, second series, C.
>> Jinarajadasa T.P.H. Adyar 1925
>> It was with these concerns that H.P.B. later formed the Esoteric
>> Section.
>>
>> Bruce
>>
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