Theos-Talk Archives (November 1997 Message tt00145)

Nov.8th 1997

Dear Liesel:

Thanks for your notes.

My knowledge comes from a long-time study of ISIS, Theosophical Glossary,
S D, Key to Theosophy and that marvelous book THE VOICE OF THE SILENCE --
all by HPB.

The end result of our conjoint study and work as humans is clearly
delineated by HPB in the hope that what will be achieved by many inspires
all to study and emulate the best and noblest of aspirations we have.

The one thing that is usually denied to us in our early youth (this
incarnation's education in the West) is the concept of immortality, and
that inescapability of responsibility. These can only be logically founded
on reincarnation as a concept and reincarnation can only be logically a
process for an immortal "something" -- Theos. calls it the Monad, or the
"life-atom" and endows it with immortality, indestructibility,
consciousness, and the ability to learn, become a "mind" and know its
responsibilities as a member of a vast chain of command in which ti shares
with all others.

What could be more enobling ?

Marijas Gimbutas and her interesting work is not known to me. In ISIS
UNVEILED, HPB gives us an over-view of the diversity and universality of
civilization not only in Europe (where successive invasions--armies as well
as theological--have destroyed most of the evidence of the past) but, of
other parts of the world, as she wrote for the whole of humanity.

There, she speaks of the evidence of the Cyclops, the Phoenicians, the
Druids, the ancient Scandinavians, the Basques, the Celts, Bretons, etc...
If some of that can be brought back into view along with the lost myths of
that past, we could have a valuable addition to our originis. There is the
Voluspa and kalevala, for instance, and the System of the Teutons and
Norsemen, of which only a few scholars have kept the records alive.

But, if reincarnation is a fact, then we have been born in many of the past
races and places of the world, wherever our affinities have drawn us, and
wherever we may have work to finish.

As to the unnecessary horrors of war, and the movements of hordes and
invaders--the history of Europe is unusually full, but we have perpetuated
horrors in the US also, by our treatment of the "Red-man."

Perhaps the only reason why theosophy has so much employed the records on
the East: India, Tibet, China, is because those were kept secret and
preserved, whereas in war tortured Europe, over 2,000 years virtually
destoryed even a knowledg of Plato, Apolonius of Tyanna, Simon Magus,
Pythagoras, Iamblicus, Proclus, Hypatia, and hundreds of others. What
happened to the glories of Egypt, and other middle Eastern cultures and
records -- lost...!

Well, there is much left for us to do, each in his own place. At least we
can employ our minds and thing brotherhood, and be helpful to others.

Best wishes to you, and thanks, Dallas

Excuse any typos - written in haste

> Date Sunday, November 09, 1997 2:04 AM
> From liesel f. deutsch <liesel@dreamscape.com>
> Subject
>
> I'd like to add emphasis to Dallas Tenbroeck's writing:
>
> >What is it that will remain longest in men's minds -- is it to be
> >altruistic nobility, self-sacrifice, or is it to the the might of arms
> >born by a "conqueror of men?"
> >
> >But, again there must be other ideas to share. Dallas
>
> Dear Dallas, can I share your same idea and elucidate on a corner of it?
> I too live in the hope that nobilitry, altruism, and self-sacrifice will
> survive longer then those who are "conquerors of men". Our theosophical
> beliefs, that eventually we'll all be adepts and dhyani chohans, give
more
> weight to this hope.
>
> Also, to add to this hope, I recently read a weighty but inspiring tome
> honoring an archeomysticist I'd never even heard of named Marijas
Gimbutas.
> This lady reinterpreted some previous findings, and dug further at
> archeological sites, mostly in Europe, I think. Her theory is that in
> Neolithic times, in what she calls "Old Europe", for thousands of years,
> before the Indo European speakers arrived there, Europe was populated by
> peaceful, agricultural people. She was led to the conclusion that there
was
> very little fighting by the fact that the dug up villages had no walls
and
> moats around them for proctection, and very few weapons. That she
believes
> that there was such a peaceful civilisation for many centuries, gave me
> great hope that humanity was actually capable of such a feat. Of course I
> was also pleasantly surprised to find that this civilisation worshipped
> godesses, and also that men and women were recognized equally. I have an
> idea that the two really go hand in hand. When men and women can live
> together in peace, without one pulling rank on the other, so can nations.
(I
> learned the belief that peace begins within myself, long ago, when Roger
> Gemme came to talk to the Paterson (NJ) Lodge.)
>
> But I also decided that since we are beginning to destroy our atomic
> weapons, and perhaps will go on from there destroying chemical weapons
and
> etc., we should take heed from the fact that after many years, this Old
> European civilisation was destroyed over time by the invading Indo
Europeans
> who had learned how to tame and ride horses. The Indo-European
"conquerors
> of men" won, even though the others evetntually learned to fight back
> fiercely. I know this especially from reading about the Celts in France
and
> Britain, whose priestesses had violent battles with the Romans, before
they
> were tortured, raped, murdered, and conquered. I think if we ever become
> really peaceful, we still have to be on our guard, until we're sure the
> entire universe is also such. Meantime, I was very pleased that women
were
> able to rule over peaceful societies. It's a whole nother lifestyle,
which I
> think more and more of us are coming to adopt.
>
> Liesel