Theos-Talk Archives (October 1997 Message tt00075)

Dallas:

> Let me have your mail address and I will send you a copy of
> EPITOME - W.Q.Judge [ my E-Mail is " dalval@nwc.net ' ]

My e-mail address is: <meta@isholf.is>

I thank you for, and welcome all reading material that you wish
to send concerning Cosmology and Theo-philosophical studies.
This interesting article: AN EPITOME OF THEOSOPHY -- by W.  Q.
Judge, should be translated and introduced in our new Majordomo
mail list.  Let me therefore use this opportunity to give you
this information:

We ( as a group ) are about to start a Majordomo group e-mail.
If you have more material of interest, to send to us, then please
note that it may be useful for a group study, and be used in our
mail list or translated into Icelandic.  Please mark attached
mail; for example as "public." Or give us a comment if it may be
used and forwarded into our public mail list.  The mail-list will
handle mail in the Scandinavian languages and also in English.
The main language is Icelandic.

It is our estimate, that it will take two or three years, to
successfully start an introduction of the mail-list to
Theo-philosophical groups in Scandinavia.  We will also try to
introduce our list in Russia.  This introduction will be done by
advertisements and by direct mail to individuals and groups.
There are many interesting Theo-philosophical groups in
Scandinavia and Russia.  Ancient Scandinavian Cosmogony will be
among our main studies.

I send you here a sample of a footnote from the list:

(footnote appears here)

This footnote, if translated into English, would be similar to
this:

Public study list -- theos-N@isholf.is -- Motto: Cooperation in
study Theo-philosophical studies - Subscribe, write to:
owner-theos-N@isholf.is


If someone is interested to take part in our mail-list then
please notice that the list is a study and a work list ( for
translations ) and most of the text is at this time in Icelandic.
And that we operate this way:

When someone requests subscription to the list, then the server
Isholf.is will send a notice to the listowner; -
owner-theos-N@isholf.is - The listowner then sends a note to the
person who requested subscription.  If the person replies and
confirms that subscription is requested, then the listowner
manually subscribes the person to the list by using a " Majordomo
system" command.

This process may take some time, I am usually slow in responding
to mail.  And I may perhaps be in the upland for a few days.

The mail list theos-N@isholf.is works also according to certain
study and work program during the winter time.  That program is
connected with our seminars here in Reykjavík.  The list is also
to be used for free discussions.  Discussions are not moderated.

> I am not familiar with Martinus, but as one who uses cosmological
> ideas (as Hawkings today? ) he must have dealt in "universal
> ideas." It is easier to stay clear and straight in those, as
> Plato did.  We often get bogged down in details to the extent
> that we forget what we started to explore.

On this I agree with you.  I find it better and more useful to
work from the universal to the particular, if I may word my
thought in that way.  But some use the other method, the
introspective method with good results.

Yes, Arhat Martinus was a remarkable individual.  He had to
struggle hard to get his teaching published.  He was strongly
criticized for not being a scholar.  For not having a wide
theoretical knowledge in "current" metaphysics, and for not
having a university education.  He was at first rebuked by the
many but accepted by a few.

When his teaching began to take on a form, and it was about to be
seen what he had in mind to say, then he was criticized for
saying to much and for giving out the sacred for the unfit.
Martinus wrote about his communion with spirit, but he could have
been more outspoken and said more, had he not faced strong
suppression in thought by the "self-elite occultists."

This is always what the Arhat has to face.  And that is what they
come to do.  In our Majordomo mail-list we will have a study
program by the name: Arhats in the past and in our times - their
life and work.

There are many Martinus study groups today.  There are many such
groups in Scandinavia and Russia.  And also in other countries.
They have their peculiarities and illusions as all groups have.

It is interesting to note that Arhats are not free from
illusions.  When young I thought they were.  But they are not.
They have their feelings, and can be hurt and irritated.  And if
they make mistakes under such circumstances, then such mistakes
are then far-reaching.  We have an example of that in the life of
Krishnamurti.

Dallas; what can you tell me about: "as Hawkings today? )"?

You are right about Plato.

> When I used quotation marks "widen out to the universal" I was
> not only using it for emphasis, but I was thinking of something
> Mr.  W.Q.Judge had written using that idea.  [ I admit that I
> would have to hunt for the exact location of that particular
> quote, at the moment.  ] It has always appealed to me as an idea
> of unlimited horizon in both space and time, which I feel, can
> only be conceived of by an "immortal" thinking being to which the
> time factor is not a limitation.  And this quality I would
> ascribe in thought to the "life-atom" -- not as a physical
> something, but as a concept, a center of energy and force, and
> perhaps not on this plane of our present waking conscious
> existence, but rather "behind" it as a motivator, and a guide to
> our "embodied consciousness".
>
> The concept of progression in wisdom -- the process of "widening
> out to the Universal" -- would be a very long one and would
> include all those designations and gradations which you mention,
> and which were employed in early schemes of vision to represent
> the "excellences" that could be acquired by work and study by
> those "life-atoms: which set themselves to acquire them.
>
> To me the logic of such a statement is that we at present are
> mid-way between the beginning of our evolution and the potential
> end of it.

Dallas; from what reasoning do you make the deduction:

> "that we at present are mid-way between the beginning of our
> evolution and the potential end of it."

What ideas do you work from.?

Are you talking about our Planetary Scheme, our Solar system, our
Systemic Cosmic system, or our Cosmic Cosmic Sytem.?

This subject is of major importance.

 From here I leave you in the text for a moment.

With best wishes,