Theos-Talk Archives (October 1997 Message tt00067)

Rodolfo, I quite agree with the general trend of your thought.

In the words of Han Shan, a zen monk.

"Discrimination is consciousness and non-discrimination is
wisdom.  Clinging to consciousness causes defilement and accord
with wisdom ensures purity.  Defilement causes birth and death
whereas purity leads to where there are no Buddhas."

In zen training today, a pupil is given sudden shock,
gesticulations or paradoxical statements called koan to meditate
on.  When the conditioned mind confronts its own limitation the
awakening is attained.

Gurdjieff, whose central theme that man is in a state of sleep,
his mechanical thought always identifes with things and what
others think about him, taught that to cambat these man must
seperate himself from himself, and be in the state of self
remembering, self-observation itself brings about certain changes
in his inner processes.

The controversial teacher of Castaneda, Don Juan, has a technique
to stop internal dialogue for his apprentice to practice in daily
life called 'erasing personal history' which consists of losing
self important, assuming resposibility, and using death as an
adviser.

"In order for self-pity to work you had to feel important,
irresponsible, and immortal.  When those fellings were altered in
some way, it was no longer possible to feel sorry for yourself.

Krishnamurti in the web site you refered to, told us that.

"In that state of negation you discover what is true; because,
negation is the emptying of consciousness of the known...  To
bring about a mutation in consciousness, a revolution in this
whole structure, there must be complete emptiness...  And that
emptiness is possible only when there is the discovery, the
actual seeing of what is false."

But he gave no process, no path, not even allow a guide for us to
attain that state of consciousness which from his assertion he
has reached.

He talked somewhere.

" Truth is a pathless land, and you cannot approach it by any
path whatsoever, by any religion, by any sect...

I have told you frankly that Masters are unessential, that the
idea of Masters is nothing more than a toy to the man who really
seeks truth."

Did he tell us that in learning to play piano we don't need any
of piano professors, just playing by ourselves and we may
accomplish something like Scriabin instead of thumping the
instrument to bits?

Should we disregard one of K.H.  advice:

" Nothing short of full confidence in us, in our good motives if
not in our wisdom, in our foresight, if not omniscience -which is
not to be found on this earth- can help one to cross over from
One's land of dream and fiction to our Truth land, the region of
stern reality and fact."

It may be well that on reaching a shore we discard the raft as it
will become a burden but what will happen if we do that when we
still be in the middle of the ocean with it as the only support?

My idea is that before we can be dispensed with our limited
thought we should refine it to its full potential and use it to
find moral, spiritual and ethical ideas as appropriate to our
particular time.  We do this by studying, comparing religions and
works done by our forerunners who discovered the true path to
spiritual enlightenment and apply the ideas thus gained in our
daily life with people and study its effect.

When we have established the place of ourseveles in relation to
the evolution of nature and our intuition make us see that in
order to realize the truth we can't seperate ourselves from the
world and all its suffering then it may be time to transcend
thought and enter into higher realm.

Miralepa had some advice on the process.

"The very first effort must be made in a compassionate mood, with
the aim of dedicating the merit of one's aspirations efforts to
the Universal Good.  Secondly, the goal of one's aspirations must
be well defined and clear, soaring into the regions transcending
thought."

This goal has been clearly defined by H.P.B.

"In the highest meditation, the Lower Manas is withdrawn into the
Triad, which thus becomes the Quaternary, the Tetraktys of
Pythagoras, leaving what was the Quaternary as the lower
Triads...when the Green passes upwards it becomes a mirror for
the Higher; it is then no more green"

"Occultism, or Theurgy, teaches the means of producing such
union...  This lasts from a few seconds -a flash- to several
hours, during which time the Theurgist or Theophanist is that
overshadowing "God" himself; hence he becomes endowed for the
time being with relative omniscience and omnipotence."

Govert Schuller has web page about Krishnamurti compare with
H.P.B.  teaching at http://pages.prodigy.net/schuller/onk.html,
it is well worth looking at.

Best, Visanu