Theos-Talk Archives (March 1997 Message tt00003)

The discussion of clones is fascinating, and so far -- purely
speculative. Already shackles are being raised whether these
"humans" will have souls or not. Someone says if they have
brains they will have souls (a ridiculous notion, I might add, as
if the brain were responsible for our spiritual nature !!) while
others worry about how these creatures will be treated, and
admits that s/he doesn't care to learn how to count Monads.
More's the pity.

While it strikes me as important to have a discussion on
artificially produces humans, I don't think we can just dismiss
Blavatsky's statements as utter nonsense without giving full
consideration. If HPB and her "helpers," in the S.D., were able
to predict, a full century ago, cloning such as we are now
seeing, it seems she and they might have superior insight that is
worth pondering.

HPB says in her work that every day we rub shoulders with
"soulless" humans, those who for lifetime after lifetime have so
revolted against their spiritual nature, have so struggled to cut
all ties to their spiritual Source, that they Monad has been
forced to abandon the lower quarternary and begin again with
Manvantaric evolution. HPB does not thereby recommend singling
out these soulless beings for punishment, nor suggest that
because they are "soulless" they should be used and abused or
hurt in any way. "Soulless" individuals may still have feeling,
if not souls, and no where in Theosophy is violence, manipulation
or selfish use of others recommended.

It seems to be that cloned human beings may well not have souls,
since it is karma which draws a monad into incarnation, into the
appropriate body and circumstances for that life. Clones may not
be suitable vehicles for human evolution, and while they may well
be produced and be "alive" like any other animal form, they may
not be fully "human" (with or without the requisite brain). At
the same time, no one has yet brought up the artificial
production of the lower and higher apes described in the SECRET
DOCTRINE, and into which apparently "human" monads DID incarnate.
Thus it is entirely possible that monads MIGHT incarnate into
clones if karmically there were a connection.

So I feel we will simply have to wait and see what is produced in
all this disturbing experimentation, and whether such beings are
felt to have souls or not. But whatever the case, they should
have full human rights and never be subject to abuse or slave
labor.