Theos-Talk Archives (July 1996 Message tt00009)

Eldon wrote:

In this Round, here on earth, Globe D, the first two Root Races
were astral, and the third became semi-astral and then physical.

Was this the first time that humanity was physical on this or any
globe? Was becoming physical associated with the gift of mind from
the Manasaputras in the Third Root Race? Or could we have
gone from astral to dense physical forms during the first few
Root Races on any globe, in any of the Rounds?

Bee:

I gather that this could not occur until the vehicles were ready
for the Manasaputras.  This is what Barborka says in The Story of
Human Evolution, P55 He quotes the SD Sloka 25 of Stanza VII

"How did the Manasa, the Sons of Wisdom act? They rejected the
Self-born, (the boneless).  They are not ready.  They spurned the
(First) Sweat-born.  They are not quite ready.  They would not
enter the (First) egg-born."

Then he says: Manasa is the adjectival form of the Sanskrit word
Manas, the Mind principle.  The Self-born is the name applied to
the First Race.  Both the First and the Second Races are stated
to be boneless.  The Sweat-born has reference to the Second Race,
and demonstrates the second stage of evolutionary development,
which was achieved by the beings of that Race.  Then the early
phase of the third evolutionary stage is represented by the
Egg-born, during the early part of the Third Race.

Again from SD:

"In the SD however, the reasons for the refusal to incarnate in
'half-ready' physical bodies seem to be more connected with
physiological than metaphysical reasons.  Not all the organisms
were sufficiently ready.  The incarnating powers chose the ripest
fruits and spurned the rest.  Bee ponders: I think it took to the
3rd root race here on the 4th round for Nature to actually get
get things right and produce suitable bodies for mind to become
active.

On page 49 he again quotes SD:

"Up to the 4th round, and even to the later part of the 3rd Race
in this Round, 'Man' - if the everchanging forms that clothed the
Monads during the first 3 Rounds and the first two and a half
races of the present one can be given that misleading name - is
so far only an animal intellectually.  It is onlt in the Midway
Round that he develops in himself intirely the 4th principle as a
fit vehicle for the fifth." ( 4th Principle is Kama or desire and
the 5th is Manas)

Mind could not become active until desire etc had fully
developed.  With this semi incarnating of the Manasaputras it
seems evident to me that the ethos of equality of all, that we
all like to subscribe to, is unlikely and means that some are
further along the path of Manas than others because of this
refusal of some to incarnate.  It also indicates that physical
states vary too.

Eldon Writes:

I think it might be the latter.  The early races are astral, or
quasi-physical, to allow for no conflict with the earlier life
waves.  Humanity in astral forms is not in conflict with the
mineral lifewave, when the earth might appear to boil, the plant
lifewave, or the animal lifewave, when the dinosars rules the
earth.  In a similar sense, the Dhyani Chohans would be unimpeded
on our earth, while the human lifewave rules, if they were
quasi-astral, or perhaps in something like the nirmanakaya.

Bee writes:

If you subscribe to the follow-the-leader theme, only one kingdom
was completely active on a globe at any one time and the rest
either had not arrived or were in semi to full obscuration.  I
understand that our sishtas will live with the Dhyani Chohans as
inferior beings and looked after by them while the Dhyani Chohans
are active on Globe D.  I don't think Globe D is meant for astral
living, being the densest globe of the whole chain.  It has it
astral plane etc but as host for evolving monads, it has to be
non-astral.

Eldon writes:

If the first races were astral, this would imply that the sishtas from
the Third Round also were astral.  And I'd think that the
humanity that survives as sishtas on our earth, when the human
lifewave moves on to globe E -- that humanity would also be
astral.  This would create the appearance of physical humanity
dying off, towards the end of the Seventh Root Race, since there
would be no more physical human forms.

Bee writes:

I get the impression that the sishtas are not astral as the books
say that they die and get born as usual and have devachan etc.
They do not incur any karma in that period and only evolve
slowly.

It would be so nice if Eldon was able to scan the chapter on the
Doctrine of the Sishtas from GdeP Esoteric Teachings VII.  It is
very informative and I am a bit daunted by the prospect of typing
it all.  It is 6 and a bit pages.  Now I need to rest the brain
for the next section.  :-)

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Some of the most spiritual humans will remain behind on our earth
as the sishtas when the human lifewave departs it for globe E.
They will experience an Golden Age.  They hold the seeds of the
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