Theos-Talk Archives (July 1996 Message tt00002)

Many thanks for your comprehensive reply, just a quiry or two
below.

Dara Eklund wrote:

> Dear Bee:

> > I thought that the most spiritually evolved of our human life
> > wave would remain as the sishtas on globe D because they did not
> > need the experience of going through Globes E,F,G, and that they
> > were the ones that held the seeds so to speak, of the next
> > physical vehicles of the life wave on Globe D in round 5, not the
> > Dhyani-Chohans.

> You are correct in defining Sishtas as the "seeds of life" which
> await the "inflow of the next incoming Life-wave when the dawn of
> the new manvantara takes place on that planet." So that basic
> definitions are understood it would benefit all on Theos.talk to
> confer with G.de P's definition in his ~Occult Glossary.~ Also
> one needs to realize that Eldon's views seem to be based on his
> interpretation of G.  de P's teachings.  Before reading G.de P.
> it would be wise to read what H.P.B.'s ~Secret Doctrine~ has to
> say about the Dhyani-Chohans involvement in man's evolution.
> Otherwise confusion results such as in statements made that the
> "animals will be ahead of man in the next round."

He does say that the mineral comes first to a globe, then
vegetation and then animals and when vege is practically in
obscuration and the animal partly so then man comes.  I had a
chuckle over visions of trying to live here while the mineral
kingdom was in full swing as he says that it is quite mobile and
that rocks don't just sit around and do nothing nor do plants
either.  It would seem that each kingdom has to be the dominant
one on a globe so that they can have full reign of it and evolve
themselves freely.  As I understand it, the animal kingdom is
slipping into obscuration now and the ones destined for globe E
will have their full flowering there long before our lifewave
gets there.  It is a very elegant arrangement, the way the
lifewaves follow each other.

> Or as to thinking that man will drop out of evolution and have to
> be re-created for the next globes.  According to the ~Occult
> Glossary~ the Sishtas are dormant, resting while they wait for
> the new cycle of activity as the "seeds of the new kingdom or
> kingdoms---be it the three Elemental Kingdoms or the Mineral or
> Vegetable or the Beast or the next Humanity.
>
> In a more restricted and still more specific sense, the Sishtas
> are the great Elect, or Sages, left behind after every
> Obscuration."
>
> THEREFORe:
>
> Bee's further consideration is correct:

> > I also wondered if the Dhyani-Chohans needed to incarnate on
> > Globe D this time as they must be more evolved than the sishtas
> > this life wave leaves behind.

> My understanding is that the Dhyani-Chohans developed from the
> highest Beings of the former Manvantara (this time with a capital
> `M') and while certain classes withdrew to let Mankind develop in
> this Manvantara to their state, others remained to guide and some
> to incarnate.

I thought that GdeP said that the Dhyani-Chohans that help the
human life-wave were in a sense the 'failures' from the last
Manvantara.  They hadn't quite made the grade at the end of the
7th round of the last chain but because they are much more
evolved than us they are the starters, so to speak, of the this,
the next chain.  They are the teachers and gods refered to in the
ancient literature and I guess could be thought of as the
Dhyani-Chohans of the lower plane of that kingdoms.  I read that
there were 3 kingdoms of them.  I have the SD on the table to
refresh my memory on what is in there.  It is just that I
understand GdeP much better and if I hadn't read him I would not
have developed such an interest in all this stuff.

> Therefore they are more evolved that the sistas of this
> life-wave.  This complex evolution of man can be found in Volume
> I of the ~Secret Doctrine~ in several places, or Geoffrey
> Baraborka's ~The Divine Plan.~ (See Chapter III, and especially
> p.69 onwards.) Also I feel that Man's development is continually
> upward throughout the next rounds and globes.

Many thanks for the references.  I have been casting my eye on
Baraborka on the library shelves but so far haven't done anything
about it yet.

> We note that G.de P.  used a small "m" to signify the
> "manvantara" to take place with a new incoming Life-wave on the
> same planet.  An important clarification is in his ~Occult
> Glossary~ under the term "Obscuration" where he speaks of the
> difference between an obscuration and a "pralaya" where he notes
> on p.118 that the "distinction between pralaya and obscuration is
> an extremely important one."
>
> I believe that in Eldon's discussion he must be thinking of
> "obscuration" which is sleep or dormancy.  G.de P.  goes on to
> clarify:
>
> "Thus is it with each one of the seven globes of the Planetary
> Chain, one after the other, each one going into obscuration when
> a life-wave has left it, *so far as that particular Life-wave is
> concerned.* When the final or rather the last representatives of
> the last Root-race, of the last Life-weave, leave it, each globe
> then goes to sleep or into dormancy.".............[its worth
> reading the rest from page 118].
>
> Therefore Bee is correct in stating that these Sistas exist over
> long periods of obscuration, and do not mutate in such a fashion
> implied by the article concerned.
>
> We all need, including myself, to get the definitions of terms
> straight, and it is indeed a very complex teaching to address
> correspondents of various backgrounds and familiarity with
> basics.  I admire Eldon's wish to clarify abstractions, though
> wish sources for statements might be given at times.

I guess after a long time of study, the greater picture is seen
in the mind and we draw on that to speak of many things.  I
cannot remember actual paragraphs out of books so I have to
resort to the overall picture and then the index when
clarification is needed.  I haven't got the GdeP books here at
home but one day I will as I just enjoy the way he expresses
himself.  When all this gets clearer then I may find he isn't
alway correct about some things but he paints a magnificent
portrait of the workings of the Divine.  Once again many thanks
for your input.

> Sincerely yours, Dara