From owner-theos-talk Tue Jun 1 01:00:06 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id AAA16383 for theos-talk-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 00:49:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990601004742.008d1950@mail.eden.com> X-Sender: ramadoss@mail.eden.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 00:47:42 -0500 To: From: M K Ramadoss Subject: Theos-World "Evernet" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com I saw a very fascinating TV program on Internet and the emerging technology. Here are some of the bits of information that interested me. =20 Firstly, Internet technology, the speaker was reminding everyone that it is just 5 years old and all of us are aware of its impact in various fields. Just in a short time, even China now has 8 million users. It is still in its infancy and is expected to grow for the next 20 years. The underlying key factor is networking world that is being created. It is fundamentally moving the power from *institutions* - business, government, non-profit, spiritual, scientific =96 to the *individual*. Even here it is still in its infancy. What we can look for in the immediate future is *Evernet* =96 an interactive *Internet* which is on-line all the time. Today a typical users is online for one hour a day. (TV audience has shown a reducing trend, possibly due to use of Internet.) The Evernet is also going to be using broadband and wireless. Broadband will speed transmission which will make it possible for bi-directional audio and video and other innovations to be available to the common man/woman. A key characteristic of a network type of medium is that as people use it, they tend to use more and more of it. Just look at the telephone communication and how its use has exponentially grown over the years.=20 Looking at the last major leap in communication technology =96 TV, it is still a one-way tool, much like the other tools such as written material. On the other hand, network based tools =96 Internet, and Evernet =96 are two way tools =96 coupled with the transfer of power from institutions to individuals. So institutions which controlled communication and transfer of information for whatever reason =96 scientific, spiritual, political, national security etc. etc. is going to have a tough time to adjust to the changing global environment on which they will have no control. It will be a lot of fun watching all the institutional leaders trying to grapple with the new environment, especially when many of them having grown up in pre-computer era. What has all this have to deal with Theosophy and TS. Firstly, Internet/Evernet is going to make access to all the written materials on Ancient Wisdom readily accessible to anyone interested. And access will be uncontrolled by institutional vested interests and gate-keepers, who may be under the illusion that they are the custodians of Ancient Wisdom. Secondly, it is going to provide global immediate person-to-person access to help on a one on one basis again without any intermediary gate-keepers. The latter will provide unlimited opportunities for anyone willing to spend time and able to help in providing information. TS has not seen growth either in the membership or branches. It looks like, with the technology that was available in 1875, it was essential to start branches where those interested in Ancient Wisdom can meet and discuss etc. In today's and tomorrow's environment, it may be unnecessary or even not helpful. So the structures as we know it may not be appropriate for the fundamental function of helping to spread theosophy. So if we seen theosophical organizations put on life support, may be they have outlived their usefulness and we have to accept the facts and not cry over the natural events. We are all going to witness monumental changes in the world and I think it is incumbent upon each one of us to use our own creativity and ingenuity to find out ways and means of using the emerging technology to spread the gospel of theosophy. Network technology with its inherent nature of increased use as use increases, may be one day we will wake up to find some of the theosophical doctrines common knowledge around the world. Mkr (C) M K Ramadoss -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Tue Jun 1 06:45:05 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id GAA06724 for theos-talk-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 06:17:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-ID: <000b01beac1f$fa583140$2a0e75ce@nwc.net> From: "W. Dallas TenBroeck" To: References: <4.1.19990531171400.00b08880@theosophy.com> Subject: Re: Theos-World test message -- please ignore Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 03:39:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com June 1st 3.40 AM 1999 Thanks Eldon: I also noticed that. Ok here . I think that everyone has taken a vacation and hence things are slow. Try setting a theme -- Is Karma a fact or is it just some wild idea that was set afloat to thwart the scientific concept of chaos and chance which brought about this strange situation where the mind is conscious and starts to think and ask such inconvenient questions like: why am I here> Where am I going ? Is anything real ? etc... Dal ============================ Dallas TenBroeck dalval@nwc.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Eldon B Tucker To: Sent: Monday, May 31, 1999 5:14 PM Subject: Theos-World test message -- please ignore > No mail has come out on theos-talk for a couple > of days, so I'm sending this test message to see > if everything is ok. > > -- Eldon > > -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com > > Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and > teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of > "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. > -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Tue Jun 1 07:45:05 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id HAA11247 for theos-talk-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 07:40:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-ID: <003501beac2b$7a427720$2a0e75ce@nwc.net> From: "W. Dallas TenBroeck" To: References: <3.0.3.32.19990601004742.008d1950@mail.eden.com> Subject: Re: Theos-World "Evernet" Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 05:04:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com June 1st Dear Doss: I think you are quite right in this evaluation. Perhaps this will become one of the best mediums for the diffusion of great ideas -- and one that cannot be strangled by those who may have "special interests." I however note that there appears to be some government and business interests that desire to place fresh taxes or fees on Internet usage. I think this matter ought to be made clear to those who use this, so that its freedom will not become financially or otherwise restricted. Apparently the increasing usage at very low cost of this franchise is now attracting the hungry glance of those who might derive special profits from its existence. I believe that any evidence of such encroachment ought to be advertised so that the already formidable power of numbers may be used wisely to counterbalance such restrictive proposals. Both government and private interests ought to be carefully and persistently monitored. Dallas Dallas TenBroeck dalval@nwc.net ----- Original Message ----- From: M K Ramadoss To: Sent: Monday, May 31, 1999 10:47 PM Subject: Theos-World "Evernet" > I saw a very fascinating TV program on Internet and the emerging > technology. Here are some of the bits of information that interested me. > > Firstly, Internet technology, the speaker was reminding everyone that it is > just 5 years old and all of us are aware of its impact in various fields. > Just in a short time, even China now has 8 million users. It is still in > its infancy and is expected to grow for the next 20 years. > > The underlying key factor is networking world that is being created. It is > fundamentally moving the power from *institutions* - business, government, > non-profit, spiritual, scientific - to the *individual*. Even here it is > still in its infancy. > > What we can look for in the immediate future is *Evernet* - an interactive > *Internet* which is on-line all the time. Today a typical users is online > for one hour a day. (TV audience has shown a reducing trend, possibly due > to use of Internet.) The Evernet is also going to be using broadband and > wireless. Broadband will speed transmission which will make it possible for > bi-directional audio and video and other innovations to be available to the > common man/woman. A key characteristic of a network type of medium is that > as people use it, they tend to use more and more of it. Just look at the > telephone communication and how its use has exponentially grown over the > years. > > Looking at the last major leap in communication technology - TV, it is > still a one-way tool, much like the other tools such as written material. > On the other hand, network based tools - Internet, and Evernet - are two > way tools - coupled with the transfer of power from institutions to > individuals. So institutions which controlled communication and transfer of > information for whatever reason - scientific, spiritual, political, > national security etc. etc. is going to have a tough time to adjust to the > changing global environment on which they will have no control. It will be > a lot of fun watching all the institutional leaders trying to grapple with > the new environment, especially when many of them having grown up in > pre-computer era. > > What has all this have to deal with Theosophy and TS. Firstly, > Internet/Evernet is going to make access to all the written materials on > Ancient Wisdom readily accessible to anyone interested. And access will be > uncontrolled by institutional vested interests and gate-keepers, who may be > under the illusion that they are the custodians of Ancient Wisdom. > Secondly, it is going to provide global immediate person-to-person access > to help on a one on one basis again without any intermediary gate-keepers. > The latter will provide unlimited opportunities for anyone willing to spend > time and able to help in providing information. > > TS has not seen growth either in the membership or branches. It looks like, > with the technology that was available in 1875, it was essential to start > branches where those interested in Ancient Wisdom can meet and discuss etc. > In today's and tomorrow's environment, it may be unnecessary or even not > helpful. So the structures as we know it may not be appropriate for the > fundamental function of helping to spread theosophy. So if we seen > theosophical organizations put on life support, may be they have outlived > their usefulness and we have to accept the facts and not cry over the > natural events. > > We are all going to witness monumental changes in the world and I think it > is incumbent upon each one of us to use our own creativity and ingenuity to > find out ways and means of using the emerging technology to spread the > gospel of theosophy. Network technology with its inherent nature of > increased use as use increases, may be one day we will wake up to find some > of the theosophical doctrines common knowledge around the world. > > Mkr > > (C) M K Ramadoss > > > -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com > > Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and > teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of > "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. > -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Tue Jun 1 09:00:05 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id IAA16957 for theos-talk-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 08:54:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-ID: <3753E5C8.8EDCC9E7@eden.com> Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 08:53:13 -0500 From: M K Ramadoss X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: theos-talk@theosophy.com Subject: Theos-World Re: Karma References: <4.1.19990531171400.00b08880@theosophy.com> <000b01beac1f$fa583140$2a0e75ce@nwc.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com "W. Dallas TenBroeck" wrote: > June 1st 3.40 AM 1999 > > Thanks Eldon: > > I also noticed that. > > Ok here . > > I think that everyone has taken a vacation and hence things > are slow. > > Try setting a theme -- > > Is Karma a fact or is it just some wild idea that was set > afloat to thwart the scientific concept of chaos and chance > which brought about this strange situation where the mind is > conscious and starts to think and ask such inconvenient > questions like: why am I here> Where am I going ? Is > anything real ? etc... > > Dal Dear Dallas: One aspect of Karma as a seen as cause and effect is that all of us can see it in our personal lives. Looked objectively, majority of our problems, if carefully looked at could be traced to our own decisions and actions, whether consciously deliberate or otherwise. I have tried this on my friends and many agree to this fact. I think this makes us see for other evidence of how the world works. mkr -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Tue Jun 1 09:15:10 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id IAA16355 for theos-talk-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 08:49:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-ID: <3753E4A7.578EF9C7@eden.com> Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 08:48:24 -0500 From: M K Ramadoss X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: theos-talk@theosophy.com Subject: Theos-World Re: "Evernet" References: <3.0.3.32.19990601004742.008d1950@mail.eden.com> <003501beac2b$7a427720$2a0e75ce@nwc.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com Dear Dallas: Initially it was research and education which drove Internet. Now it is commerce that is the driving force. Of course there are attempts to muzzle the new medium. But the medium is expected to become so widespread that it would be politically difficult to use tax and other means to prevent some from being able to use it. However I am confident that Powers be know all about these too well and the welfare of Humanity would be served in the long run. I was thinking about the implications of Evernet. Already video images can be transmitted live and long distance calls are made on the Internet. Soon I will be able to see you on my screen and communicate via voice and video. A side effect would be lack of privacy. You cannot hide behind an assumed name and try to communicate. When I am communicating, I can ask you to turn on your video camera so that I can see you as I type and so I know whom I am talking to and put a face on the name. You may not need to visit your doctor. He may be able to check you remotely and even monitor your vital signs round the clock if need be. As the population ages, and mobility is reduced as one grows older, much can be accomplished without physical travel. Possibilities are unlimited. ...doss "W. Dallas TenBroeck" wrote on theos-talk: > June 1st > > Dear Doss: > > I think you are quite right in this evaluation. > > Perhaps this will become one of the best mediums for the > diffusion of great ideas -- and one that cannot be strangled > by those who may have "special interests." > > I however note that there appears to be some government and > business interests that desire to place fresh taxes or fees > on Internet usage. I think this matter ought to be made > clear to those who use this, so that its freedom will not > become financially or otherwise restricted. > > Apparently the increasing usage at very low cost of this > franchise is now attracting the hungry glance of those who > might derive special profits from its existence. I believe > that any evidence of such encroachment ought to be > advertised so that the already formidable power of numbers > may be used wisely to counterbalance such restrictive > proposals. > > Both government and private interests ought to be carefully > and persistently monitored. > > Dallas > > Dallas TenBroeck > dalval@nwc.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: M K Ramadoss > To: > Sent: Monday, May 31, 1999 10:47 PM > Subject: Theos-World "Evernet" > > > I saw a very fascinating TV program on Internet and the > emerging > > technology. Here are some of the bits of information that > interested me. > > > > Firstly, Internet technology, the speaker was reminding > everyone that it is > > just 5 years old and all of us are aware of its impact in > various fields. > > Just in a short time, even China now has 8 million users. > It is still in > > its infancy and is expected to grow for the next 20 years. > > > > The underlying key factor is networking world that is > being created. It is > > fundamentally moving the power from *institutions* - > business, government, > > non-profit, spiritual, scientific - to the *individual*. > Even here it is > > still in its infancy. > > > > What we can look for in the immediate future is > *Evernet* - an interactive > > *Internet* which is on-line all the time. Today a typical > users is online > > for one hour a day. (TV audience has shown a reducing > trend, possibly due > > to use of Internet.) The Evernet is also going to be using > broadband and > > wireless. Broadband will speed transmission which will > make it possible for > > bi-directional audio and video and other innovations to be > available to the > > common man/woman. A key characteristic of a network type > of medium is that > > as people use it, they tend to use more and more of it. > Just look at the > > telephone communication and how its use has exponentially > grown over the > > years. > > > > Looking at the last major leap in communication > technology - TV, it is > > still a one-way tool, much like the other tools such as > written material. > > On the other hand, network based tools - Internet, and > Evernet - are two > > way tools - coupled with the transfer of power from > institutions to > > individuals. So institutions which controlled > communication and transfer of > > information for whatever reason - scientific, spiritual, > political, > > national security etc. etc. is going to have a tough time > to adjust to the > > changing global environment on which they will have no > control. It will be > > a lot of fun watching all the institutional leaders trying > to grapple with > > the new environment, especially when many of them having > grown up in > > pre-computer era. > > > > What has all this have to deal with Theosophy and TS. > Firstly, > > Internet/Evernet is going to make access to all the > written materials on > > Ancient Wisdom readily accessible to anyone interested. > And access will be > > uncontrolled by institutional vested interests and > gate-keepers, who may be > > under the illusion that they are the custodians of Ancient > Wisdom. > > Secondly, it is going to provide global immediate > person-to-person access > > to help on a one on one basis again without any > intermediary gate-keepers. > > The latter will provide unlimited opportunities for anyone > willing to spend > > time and able to help in providing information. > > > > TS has not seen growth either in the membership or > branches. It looks like, > > with the technology that was available in 1875, it was > essential to start > > branches where those interested in Ancient Wisdom can meet > and discuss etc. > > In today's and tomorrow's environment, it may be > unnecessary or even not > > helpful. So the structures as we know it may not be > appropriate for the > > fundamental function of helping to spread theosophy. So if > we seen > > theosophical organizations put on life support, may be > they have outlived > > their usefulness and we have to accept the facts and not > cry over the > > natural events. > > > > We are all going to witness monumental changes in the > world and I think it > > is incumbent upon each one of us to use our own creativity > and ingenuity to > > find out ways and means of using the emerging technology > to spread the > > gospel of theosophy. Network technology with its inherent > nature of > > increased use as use increases, may be one day we will > wake up to find some > > of the theosophical doctrines common knowledge around the > world. > > > > Mkr > > > > (C) M K Ramadoss -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Tue Jun 1 11:00:05 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id KAA30843 for theos-talk-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 10:59:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-ID: <000401bea85e$7cef43c0$860c9cd1@wilma> From: "Govert W. Schuller" To: References: <3.0.3.32.19990518191713.01507c98@mail.eden.com> <37463A52.75585CC8@sprynet.com> Subject: Re: Theos-World The Next Torch-Bearer Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 23:15:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com > M K Ramadoss wrote: > > In one of the letters to APS, there is a statement to the effect "the mark > > of an adept is kept at the other side of Himalayas" and none of us know > > what they are. By analogy, how can any of us judge any individual to > > determine whether he/she is the NTB, because all our premises could be wrong. > > By that logic, then it's equally likely that I'm the NTB. Or you. Or > John Algeo. > > Bart Lidofsky It won't be John Algeo, because he does not even believe the term NTB as used by HPB in 'The Key' refers to a person, but to something like a principle or force. Remember also that the NTB would only appear if the TS would stay true to its mission, which means that one could legitimitaly argue that if the NTB did not appear it was because the TS did not stay true to its mission. My personal interpretation is that it was Krishnamurti who was meant to be the NTB, though it was a little earlier than HPB had stated. Annie Besant believed that also. I think K abrogated the whole project and went his own way. For me it does not make sense then to wait for or try to identify the NTB. His coming was almost succesful, but it did not last. If you want to get a flavor of the teachings the NTB would have brought I'd suggest to read the presentation by K between 1925 and 1927, that is between his first overshadowings and the point that he started inserting ideas expressing scepticism about theosophy and the masters. Govert -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Tue Jun 1 15:43:05 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id PAA31035 for theos-talk-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 15:34:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990601153414.00696644@mail.eden.com> X-Sender: ramadoss@mail.eden.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 15:34:14 -0500 To: theos-l@list.vnet.net, theos-talk@theosophy.com From: M K Ramadoss Subject: Theos-World Is this Theosophy? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com The newly republished book - Is This Theosophy? by Ernest Wood reached me today. Kessinger publications has done a wonderful job of publishing it. They should be congratulated in bringing this rare book after 63 years after it was originally published. Any student of history of theosophical society should read it and I am sure will find it very interesting. In the very end of the book Wood writes: The new President, Mr. Arundale -- he now dropped the use of his title of Bishop outside the church activities, as he ahd announced his intention to do so -- or Dr. Arundale, if we are to recognize the honorary degree conferred upon him by the short-lived National University -- wrote me that his intentions were to pursue a thoroughly liberal policy. I could not congratulate him on his election, considering the way in which it had been conducted, but I wrote wishing him success in the liberal intentions expressed in his letter to me. But since I saw no landing-place for the weary unwelcome foot of the white dove of truth in the new interpretation of the Society's principle of tolerance: "Thou shall not find fault with a brother's views or activities." What a convenience that sort of tolerance would be to lawbreakers in general, if only it could be adopted in teh outside world!' I learned to detest theosophical politics, with their hiding everything that does not redound to the credit of those in power, and their perpetual circles of mutual admiration, but I was left with a high regard for the theosophists scattered over the world as a lovable-- albeit most innocent and childlike -- body of people. It is not here, nor is it there, that pure life or truth shall be found. There are no secret passages to truth. No hocus-pocus of incantations, of word or of the subtler word that is thought, can light or fan the central fire. No establishment can establish it; no communications communicate. end---- -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Tue Jun 1 17:13:10 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id RAA09778 for theos-talk-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 17:08:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19990601153414.00696644@mail.eden.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 15:08:03 -0700 To: theos-talk@theosophy.com From: Rodolfo Don Subject: Re: Theos-World Is this Theosophy? Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com >The newly republished book - Is This Theosophy? by Ernest Wood reached me >today. Kessinger publications has done a wonderful job of publishing it. >They should be congratulated in bringing this rare book after 63 years >after it was originally published. Any student of history of theosophical >society should read it and I am sure will find it very interesting. > ---------------- Doss, How can I order a copy of "Is This Theosophy?" Thanks, Rudy -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Tue Jun 1 22:00:08 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id VAA03857 for theos-talk-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 21:55:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990601215350.00915850@mail.eden.com> X-Sender: ramadoss@mail.eden.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 21:53:50 -0500 To: theos-talk@theosophy.com From: M K Ramadoss Subject: Re: Theos-World The Next Torch-Bearer In-Reply-To: <000401bea85e$7cef43c0$860c9cd1@wilma> References: <3.0.3.32.19990518191713.01507c98@mail.eden.com> <37463A52.75585CC8@sprynet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com At 11:15 PM 5/26/1999 -0500, you wrote: >It won't be John Algeo, because he does not even believe the term >NTB as used by HPB in 'The Key' refers to a person, but to >something like a principle or force. > >Govert Has his view in any written material he has put out? mkr -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Tue Jun 1 22:04:54 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id VAA01539 for theos-talk-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 21:35:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990601213439.009435f0@mail.eden.com> X-Sender: ramadoss@mail.eden.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 21:34:39 -0500 To: theos-talk@theosophy.com From: M K Ramadoss Subject: Re: Theos-World Is this Theosophy? In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.3.32.19990601153414.00696644@mail.eden.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com It can be bought from any large bookseller such as amazon, borders and barnes and noble or directly from Kessinger. The large dealers do not have stock and some are to be special ordered. My preference is to order it directly from Kessinger since they have in stock and will ship the same day you order. Go to www.kessingerpub.com for more details. ...mkr At 03:08 PM 6/1/1999 -0700, Rodolfo Don wrote: > > >>The newly republished book - Is This Theosophy? by Ernest Wood reached me >>today. Kessinger publications has done a wonderful job of publishing it. >>They should be congratulated in bringing this rare book after 63 years >>after it was originally published. Any student of history of theosophical >>society should read it and I am sure will find it very interesting. >> > ---------------- > >Doss, > >How can I order a copy of "Is This Theosophy?" > >Thanks, > >Rudy > > > >-- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com > >Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and >teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of >"subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. > > -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Tue Jun 1 22:45:14 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id WAA08331 for theos-talk-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 22:43:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-ID: <005701beaca9$6db547c0$2e0e9cd1@wilma> From: "Govert W. Schuller" To: References: <3.0.3.32.19990518191713.01507c98@mail.eden.com><37463A52.75585CC8@sprynet.com> <3.0.3.32.19990601215350.00915850@mail.eden.com> Subject: Re: Theos-World The Next Torch-Bearer Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 22:38:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com ----- Original Message ----- From: M K Ramadoss Subject: Re: Theos-World The Next Torch-Bearer > At 11:15 PM 5/26/1999 -0500, you wrote: > >It won't be John Algeo, because he does not even believe the term > >NTB as used by HPB in 'The Key' refers to a person, but to > >something like a principle or force. > > > >Govert > > Has his view in any written material he has put out? > > mkr > Not that I know of. He has stated the idea to me in private a few years ago when I was working on my paper and he has repeated it in public a few weeks ago at an open meeting discussing the last chapter of HPB's 'Key.' He also said that he was cognisant of different claims made to the title NTB, one of which of course being Annie Besant's claim for K. Govert -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Wed Jun 2 00:45:10 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id AAA17894 for theos-talk-outgoing; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 00:33:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990602003226.0095dd40@mail.eden.com> X-Sender: ramadoss@mail.eden.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 00:32:26 -0500 To: theos-talk@theosophy.com From: M K Ramadoss Subject: Re: Theos-World The Next Torch-Bearer In-Reply-To: <005701beaca9$6db547c0$2e0e9cd1@wilma> References: <3.0.3.32.19990518191713.01507c98@mail.eden.com> <37463A52.75585CC8@sprynet.com> <3.0.3.32.19990601215350.00915850@mail.eden.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com At 10:38 PM 6/1/1999 -0500, you wrote: > >----- Original Message ----- >From: M K Ramadoss >Subject: Re: Theos-World The Next Torch-Bearer > > >> At 11:15 PM 5/26/1999 -0500, you wrote: >> >It won't be John Algeo, because he does not even believe the >term >> >NTB as used by HPB in 'The Key' refers to a person, but to >> >something like a principle or force. >> > >> >Govert >> >> Has his view in any written material he has put out? >> >> mkr >> >Not that I know of. He has stated the idea to me in private a few >years ago when I was working on my paper and he has repeated it >in public a few weeks ago at an open meeting discussing the last >chapter of HPB's 'Key.' He also said that he was cognisant of >different claims made to the title NTB, one of which of course >being Annie Besant's claim for K. > >Govert Thanks for the info. If we look back 100 years from now, we may get a better idea if who or what it was NTB. mkr -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Wed Jun 2 00:48:56 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id AAA18400 for theos-talk-outgoing; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 00:43:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990602004212.00a38860@mail.eden.com> X-Sender: ramadoss@mail.eden.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 00:42:12 -0500 To: theos-l@list.vnet.net, theos-talk@theosophy.com From: M K Ramadoss Subject: Theos-World Internet/Evernet Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com One more indication of the power shift from traditional/organizational to grass roots level can be seen in the decision of Merrill Lynch to get on the online trading bandwagon. When Schwab introduced online trading, the idea was dismissed by ML who used the traditional human brokers to put thru trades. This increased the cost to the customers. Now the online trading bypasses the brokers. More changes in the way we do business is on its way. >From the horse/ox buggy to supersonic transportation, we have come a long way. The transportation revolution has shrunk the world. Next comes the communication world with phones, cell phones, pagers and now Internet/Evernet integrated to all of them and more. The communication revolution is still on its march like the traditional Juggernaut crushing all who stand in its way. BTW, I just found out that some companies are selling long distance at 3 cents a minute with a fixed 35 cent charge per call or 5 cents a minute with a fixed 25 cent per call. With all the communication changes taking place, the pencil and paper and communication is bound to go the way rail roads gave way to road and air transportation. Stay tuned for more. mkr -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Fri Jun 4 14:00:58 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id NAA26835 for theos-talk-outgoing; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 13:59:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-ID: <002001beaebc$7dc99480$1f28480c@pavilion> From: "Nick Weeks" To: "Theos Talk" Subject: Theos-World June 2000 teachings of Dalai Lama Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 12:00:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001D_01BEAE81.D0675640" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01BEAE81.D0675640 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Below is the link giving some information about the Dalai Lama's visit to LA. http://www.tdling.com/ ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01BEAE81.D0675640 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="Welcome to Thubten Dhargye Ling.url" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Welcome to Thubten Dhargye Ling.url" [DEFAULT] BASEURL=http://www.tdling.com/ [InternetShortcut] URL=http://www.tdling.com/ Modified=E0796637BCAEBE011F ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01BEAE81.D0675640-- -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Fri Jun 4 14:15:45 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id NAA26591 for theos-talk-outgoing; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 13:56:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-ID: <001701beaebc$21667500$1f28480c@pavilion> From: "Nick Weeks" To: "Theos Talk" Subject: Theos-World The Path of Liberation Teachings - October 12-14, 1999 Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 11:57:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0014_01BEAE81.740436C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01BEAE81.740436C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Dalai Lama will be coming to Los Angeles twice in the next year. Info on the first visit is at the link below, the June 2000 visit info will be in the next note. http://www.compassionbuddha.org/ ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01BEAE81.740436C0 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="The Path of Liberation Teachings - October 12-14, 1999.url" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="The Path of Liberation Teachings - October 12-14, 1999.url" [DEFAULT] BASEURL=http://www.compassionbuddha.org/ [InternetShortcut] URL=http://www.compassionbuddha.org/ Modified=40492DBABBAEBE0198 ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01BEAE81.740436C0-- -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Fri Jun 4 15:15:10 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id PAA02508 for theos-talk-outgoing; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 15:09:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-ID: <000501beaec6$3fbd97e0$c429480c@pavilion> From: "Nick Weeks" To: "Theos Talk" Subject: Theos-World Dalai Lama's future teachings Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 13:10:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com The Dalai Lama will be in Los Angeles in Oct. of 99 and June of 2000. See these links for more info. www.compassionbuddha.org/ and www.tdling.com/ -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Sat Jun 5 13:00:05 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id MAA12087 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 12:50:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990605124914.008d4900@mail.eden.com> X-Sender: ramadoss@mail.eden.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 12:49:14 -0500 To: ramadoss@eden.com From: M K Ramadoss Subject: Theos-World John Cooper's Response to "Elder Brother" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com Late John Cooper, I understand, wrote a response after the book Elder Brother by Gregory Tillett was published. Does anyone know where his response was published and if anyone has a copy, can it be e-mailed to me? Thanks M K Ramadoss -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Sun Jun 6 19:15:04 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id SAA08508 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 18:54:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f To: theos-talk@theosophy.com Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 11:27:27 -0500 Subject: Re: Theos-World June 2000 teachings of Dalai Lama Message-ID: <19990606.184615.12254.0.marcheta@juno.com> References: <002001beaebc$7dc99480$1f28480c@pavilion> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-2 From: marcheta henry Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com we also receive email at tri-lakes my other email address is ( marcheta@tri-lakes.net ) ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Mon Jun 7 09:42:37 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id JAA11706 for theos-talk-outgoing; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 09:35:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-ID: <19990607143451.41034.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [169.197.9.214] From: David Green To: davidgreen@hotmail.com Subject: Theos-World David Green's Critical History Page on Theosophy Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 14:34:51 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com David Green's Critical History Page on Theosophy http://members.tripod.com/davidgreen_2/index.html This is my new web page which gives full access to my other web pages on Robert Crosbie, William Judge & Katherine Tingley. This web page will list all *future updates* on my continuing study of the subject. I've also added links to other skeptical, critical material on Helena Blavatsky, Charles Leadbeater & Alice Bailey. If you know of other critiques of these theosophists & their claims, email the link address and I'll add to my index page. Much more to come. Including never before published material. Comments are welcomed & solicited. Also anyone in possession of other related material who is willing to have it published on my web site, contact me with details. David Green http://members.tripod.com/davidgreen_2/index.html _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Mon Jun 7 15:00:08 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id OAA21850 for theos-talk-outgoing; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 14:51:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f To: theos-talk@theosophy.com Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 14:42:06 -0500 Subject: Re: Theos-World June 2000 teachings of Dalai Lama Message-ID: <19990607.144207.3510.1.marcheta@juno.com> References: <002001beaebc$7dc99480$1f28480c@pavilion> <19990606.184615.12254.0.marcheta@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-16 From: marcheta henry Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com On Sat, 5 Jun 1999 11:27:27 -0500 marcheta henry writes: >we also receive email at tri-lakes > >my other email address is ( marcheta@tri-lakes.net ) >___________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get >completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html >or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- >Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, >and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or >unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" >to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. Subscribe marcheta @ tri-lakes . net ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Wed Jun 9 09:15:26 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id JAA18468 for theos-talk-outgoing; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 09:11:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990609091109.00696644@mail.eden.com> X-Sender: ramadoss@mail.eden.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 09:11:09 -0500 To: theos-l@list.vnet.net, theos-talk@theosophy.com From: M K Ramadoss Subject: Theos-World Accommodation Domains Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com Accommodation Domains such as Hotmail, Yahoo etc. which provide free webbased e-mail addresses do serve a purpose -- such as avoid changing e-mail addresses when one changes the service provider. The downside is their use by those who want to conceal their identities. Some of the hackers use such addresses! >From time to time, I get e-mails from these domains from people whom I do not know. They request information and assistance etc. As a matter of personal policy I do not to respond to msgs from strangers whose real identity cannot be verified. While I am always willing to help others, now you know why sometimes I will not respond. mkr -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Fri Jun 11 09:55:51 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id JAA27165 for theos-talk-outgoing; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 09:50:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-ID: <19990611143623.98583.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [169.197.9.214] From: David Green To: davidgreen@hotmail.com Subject: Theos-World ULT writers accuse Mrs Tingley of forgery & deception Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:36:22 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com John Garrigues & other U.L.T. writers have charged that "the much-proclaimed and never-produced 'private papers of Mr. Judge' bear a rather remarkable likeness to 'private notes' of Mrs. Tingley. . . [rather than] any documents in the handwriting of William Q. Judge." The evidence presented by Dr. H.N. Stokes has refuted this U.L.T. charge & insinuation. Refer to http://members.tripod.com/davidgreen_2/thesign.htm for details. Unfortunately, United Lodge of Theosophists continues to sell book *The Theosophical Movement 1875-1950* which casts foul aspersions on character of Mrs. Katherine Tingley. Mr Dallas TenBroeck, ULT devotee, also continues to recommend on Internet this volume which defames Mrs. Tingley as well as other theosophists. Yet when I've closely examined & asked questions about ULT founder's claims, numerous ULT associates accuse me of defamation of Mr Crosbie's character. I've never accused Mr Crosbie of forgery. He may have been a quite sincere person & theosophist. The distinct message these ULT associates give is that while it is perfectly acceptable for ULT organisation (through its theosophical history book) to defame Mrs. Tingley & other well-known theosophists, no one should investigate or question the claims of Mr Crosbie. I believe if Mrs Blavatsky was here today, she would be first to call this behavior by ULT & some of its associates as unfair & untheosophical. When I've brought above to attention of ULT associates corresponding with me, they've sidestepped issue. To me this is behavior of cultists, not seekers of truth. Though relatively new student to theosophy, I find this behavior revolting & stain on theosophical ideals enunciated by Mrs Blavatsky & Mr Judge. David Green http://members.tripod.com/davidgreen_2/index.html _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Fri Jun 11 12:54:32 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id MAA15645 for theos-talk-outgoing; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 12:53:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-ID: <000501beb433$82f3cc60$3529480c@pavilion> From: "Nick Weeks" To: "Theos Talk" Subject: Theos-World HPB & New World Order Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 10:54:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com Back in March, one Steve Bonta (possibly a missionary in India) wrote the usual trashing & distorting article on HPB, the TS, Alice Bailey, Annie Besant, Benjamin Creme et al. If you would like to read (and respond) go to: www.thenewamerican.com/tna/1999/03-01-99/newage.htm Nicholas -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Sat Jun 12 06:00:05 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id FAA10253 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 05:58:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f From: Teos9@aol.com Message-ID: <371bad06.24939712@aol.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 06:57:22 EDT Subject: Re: Theos-World HPB & New World Order To: theos-talk@theosophy.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com In a message dated 6/11/99 1:53:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Nick.Weeks@worldnet.att.net writes: << Back in March, one Steve Bonta (possibly a missionary in India) wrote the usual trashing & distorting article on HPB, the TS, Alice Bailey, Annie Besant, Benjamin Creme et al. If you would like to read (and respond) go to: www.thenewamerican.com/tna/1999/03-01-99/newage.htm >> Nicholas, The New American, magazine, along with the other ultra conservative fundamentalist publications are well known for their biased, slanted point of view reporting. I wouldn't worry too much about responding to their articles. It will not change anything, as they are not interested in open and fair journalism. No one I know takes any of these rags seriously anyway. They have a history of fear journalism that goes back to the late 70's. In all of that time 'NONE' of their articles have been 100% accurate. Nor have any of their scary, end of the world, predictions come true. It is disturbing to read distorted articles like this one, but do not play into their game. You could end up on a mailing list that it is impossible to get off. Louis -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. 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From owner-theos-talk Sat Jun 12 10:00:04 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id JAA26498 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 09:50:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-ID: <000e01beb4e3$16e2f0e0$322b480c@pavilion> From: "Nick Weeks" To: References: <371bad06.24939712@aol.com> Subject: Re: Theos-World HPB & New World Order Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 07:51:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com > In a message dated 6/11/99 1:53:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > Nick.Weeks@worldnet.att.net writes: > > << Back in March, one Steve Bonta (possibly a missionary in India) wrote the > usual trashing & distorting article on HPB, the TS, Alice Bailey, Annie > Besant, Benjamin Creme et al. > > If you would like to read (and respond) go to: > www.thenewamerican.com/tna/1999/03-01-99/newage.htm >> > > Nicholas, > > The New American, magazine, along with the other ultra conservative > fundamentalist publications are well known for their biased, slanted point of > view reporting. I wouldn't worry too much about responding to their articles. > It will not change anything, as they are not interested in open and fair > journalism. No one I know takes any of these rags seriously anyway. They have > a history of fear journalism that goes back to the late 70's. In all of that > time 'NONE' of their articles have been 100% accurate. Nor have any of their > scary, end of the world, predictions come true. It is disturbing to read > distorted articles like this one, but do not play into their game. You could > end up on a mailing list that it is impossible to get off. > > Louis Yes, the John Birch society has been around a long time, but HPB's enemies have been around even longer. I try to follow the maxim to defend the innocent, (whether HPB or not) when I know them to be so. Success is not the point -- to me -- just to try. Nicholas -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Sat Jun 12 10:30:04 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id KAA29285 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 10:23:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-ID: <19990612152215.16875.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [169.197.9.214] From: David Green To: davidgreen@hotmail.com Subject: Theos-World ULT's Dzyan Esoteric School Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 15:22:14 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com Several ULT associates doubt existence of Dzyan Esoteric School. I recently answered their inquiries---- In regards to your request I can't divulge names of the 8 members of DES who confided this information to me. I've inquired of the theosophist Mr Jerry Hejka-Edkins (Turlock, Calif) concerning DES material in Alexandria West archives. He answered his library holds DES instuctions from Mr Victor Endersby's papers. He confirmed what I already knew---DES is not defunct but still active. Contact Mr Hejka-Edkins for confirmation of existence of DES & copies of their esoteric material. Selections will soon be published on WWW --- http://members.tripod.com/davidgreen_2/index.html Sincerely, David Green _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Sat Jun 12 11:15:03 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id LAA32631 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 11:00:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-ID: <19990612155915.56708.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [169.197.9.214] From: David Green To: davidgreen@hotmail.com Subject: Theos-World Re: HPB & New World Order Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 15:59:15 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com Nick Weeks----- I'll put link on my web page to Mr Steve Bonta's article on Mrs Blavatsky http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/1999/03-01-99/newage.htm. Thank you for citation David http://members.tripod.com/davidgreen_2/index.html >From: "Nick Weeks" >Subject: Re: Theos-World HPB & New World Order >Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 07:51:43 -0700 > > > > << Back in March, one Steve Bonta (possibly a missionary in India) wrote >the > > usual trashing & distorting article on HPB, the TS, Alice Bailey, >Annie > > Besant, Benjamin Creme et al. > > > > If you would like to read (and respond) go to: > > www.thenewamerican.com/tna/1999/03-01-99/newage.htm >> > > > > Nicholas _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Sat Jun 12 11:30:03 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id LAA01586 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 11:16:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f From: Teos9@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 12:12:57 EDT Subject: Re: Theos-World HPB & New World Order To: theos-talk@theosophy.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com In a message dated 6/12/99 10:59:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Nick.Weeks@worldnet.att.net writes: << Success is not the point -- to me -- just to try. >> Good point Nicholas. Everyone should practice that in their own way. Louis -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. 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From owner-theos-talk Sat Jun 12 11:37:31 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id LAA02340 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 11:24:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-ID: <000501beb4f0$2f7fadc0$0c28480c@pavilion> From: "Nick Weeks" To: References: <19990612155915.56708.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: HPB & New World Order Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 09:25:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com > Nick Weeks----- > > I'll put link on my web page to Mr Steve Bonta's article on Mrs Blavatsky > http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/1999/03-01-99/newage.htm. > > Thank you for citation > > David David, Have you read the article? Do you post anything critical about any Theosophist, whether true or not? If yes, that seems an unscholarly, uncritical approach; not to mention unjust. His article is chock full of distortions and mistakes of fact. Nicholas -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Sat Jun 12 11:40:31 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id LAA01498 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 11:15:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f From: Teos9@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 12:13:53 EDT Subject: Re: Theos-World What happened here. Ask and ye shall receive ! To: theos-talk@theosophy.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com In a message dated 4/29/99 5:02:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dalval@nwc.net writes: << Have you ever read any of the books of Emmanuel Velikovsky ? wrote between 1945 and 1952 4 books. What about Charles Fort ? Ever read any of his ? Best wishes, Dallas >> Dear Dallas, Please forgive the tardiness of this reply. I am in the tour business and travel quite a lot this time of the year. Last April, you asked me the questions above. I take this opportunity to answer. I have only read one of the books by Emmanuel Velikovsky. It was quite some time ago but it did make an impression on me. " Worlds in collision" was the title, as I recall. As for the works of Charles Fort. I have been interested in fortean phenomena since 1968. His catalog of obscure articles from newspaper files in the libraries he frequented, is a contribution to students of occult phenomena that will never be repaid. Another group who did similar work in through the 1970s was Ivan Sanderson's Society for the investigation of the unexplained. (SITU.) Are you familiar with their work? Louis -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Sat Jun 12 12:45:03 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id MAA08868 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 12:40:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-ID: <19990612173850.87963.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [169.197.9.214] From: David Green To: davidgreen@hotmail.com Subject: Theos-World Mrs Blavatsky lied about journey in Tibet Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 17:38:50 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com Recently I closely read THE ARMCHAIR TRAVELLER: HPB IN TIBET by Mr R.A.Gilbert http://www.nellie2.demon.co.uk/DIRECTORY/R.A.GILBERT/tibet1.txt I was shocked to find Mrs Blavatsky lied about trip to Tibet. Mr Gilbert's study proves her unreliability. He summarises----- Why did she claim to have travelled in Tibet - where she clearly had never been - and why did she place her Masters there? This week a theosophical writer has forwarded to me paper listing 98 lies by Mrs Blavatsky!!!!! Who can believe anything this woman writes. I'm hoping he'll publish article. I'm more convinced now of Dr Carlson's portrait of Mrs Blavatsky. David http://members.tripod.com/davidgreen_2/index.html _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Sat Jun 12 14:15:04 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id OAA16477 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 14:01:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f From: Teos9@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 12:12:57 EDT Subject: Re: Theos-World HPB & New World Order To: theos-talk@theosophy.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com In a message dated 6/12/99 10:59:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Nick.Weeks@worldnet.att.net writes: << Success is not the point -- to me -- just to try. >> Good point Nicholas. Everyone should practice that in their own way. Louis -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Sat Jun 12 14:25:56 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id OAA16469 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 14:01:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-ID: <000501beb4f0$2f7fadc0$0c28480c@pavilion> From: "Nick Weeks" To: References: <19990612155915.56708.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: HPB & New World Order Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 09:25:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com > Nick Weeks----- > > I'll put link on my web page to Mr Steve Bonta's article on Mrs Blavatsky > http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/1999/03-01-99/newage.htm. > > Thank you for citation > > David David, Have you read the article? Do you post anything critical about any Theosophist, whether true or not? If yes, that seems an unscholarly, uncritical approach; not to mention unjust. His article is chock full of distortions and mistakes of fact. Nicholas -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Sat Jun 12 14:28:44 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id OAA16481 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 14:01:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f From: Teos9@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 12:13:53 EDT Subject: Re: Theos-World What happened here. Ask and ye shall receive ! To: theos-talk@theosophy.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com In a message dated 4/29/99 5:02:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dalval@nwc.net writes: << Have you ever read any of the books of Emmanuel Velikovsky ? wrote between 1945 and 1952 4 books. What about Charles Fort ? Ever read any of his ? Best wishes, Dallas >> Dear Dallas, Please forgive the tardiness of this reply. I am in the tour business and travel quite a lot this time of the year. Last April, you asked me the questions above. I take this opportunity to answer. I have only read one of the books by Emmanuel Velikovsky. It was quite some time ago but it did make an impression on me. " Worlds in collision" was the title, as I recall. As for the works of Charles Fort. I have been interested in fortean phenomena since 1968. His catalog of obscure articles from newspaper files in the libraries he frequented, is a contribution to students of occult phenomena that will never be repaid. Another group who did similar work in through the 1970s was Ivan Sanderson's Society for the investigation of the unexplained. (SITU.) Are you familiar with their work? Louis -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Sat Jun 12 15:15:04 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id PAA20982 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 15:01:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f From: Teos9@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 12:12:57 EDT Subject: Re: Theos-World HPB & New World Order To: theos-talk@theosophy.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com In a message dated 6/12/99 10:59:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Nick.Weeks@worldnet.att.net writes: << Success is not the point -- to me -- just to try. >> Good point Nicholas. Everyone should practice that in their own way. Louis -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Sat Jun 12 15:30:04 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id PAA20997 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 15:01:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-ID: <000501beb4f0$2f7fadc0$0c28480c@pavilion> From: "Nick Weeks" To: References: <19990612155915.56708.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: HPB & New World Order Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 09:25:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com > Nick Weeks----- > > I'll put link on my web page to Mr Steve Bonta's article on Mrs Blavatsky > http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/1999/03-01-99/newage.htm. > > Thank you for citation > > David David, Have you read the article? Do you post anything critical about any Theosophist, whether true or not? If yes, that seems an unscholarly, uncritical approach; not to mention unjust. His article is chock full of distortions and mistakes of fact. Nicholas -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Sat Jun 12 15:33:03 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id PAA21002 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 15:01:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f From: Teos9@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 12:13:53 EDT Subject: Re: Theos-World What happened here. Ask and ye shall receive ! To: theos-talk@theosophy.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com In a message dated 4/29/99 5:02:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dalval@nwc.net writes: << Have you ever read any of the books of Emmanuel Velikovsky ? wrote between 1945 and 1952 4 books. What about Charles Fort ? Ever read any of his ? Best wishes, Dallas >> Dear Dallas, Please forgive the tardiness of this reply. I am in the tour business and travel quite a lot this time of the year. Last April, you asked me the questions above. I take this opportunity to answer. I have only read one of the books by Emmanuel Velikovsky. It was quite some time ago but it did make an impression on me. " Worlds in collision" was the title, as I recall. As for the works of Charles Fort. I have been interested in fortean phenomena since 1968. His catalog of obscure articles from newspaper files in the libraries he frequented, is a contribution to students of occult phenomena that will never be repaid. Another group who did similar work in through the 1970s was Ivan Sanderson's Society for the investigation of the unexplained. (SITU.) Are you familiar with their work? Louis -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. 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From owner-theos-talk Sat Jun 12 16:15:04 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id QAA25585 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 16:01:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f From: Teos9@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 12:12:57 EDT Subject: Re: Theos-World HPB & New World Order To: theos-talk@theosophy.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com In a message dated 6/12/99 10:59:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Nick.Weeks@worldnet.att.net writes: << Success is not the point -- to me -- just to try. >> Good point Nicholas. Everyone should practice that in their own way. Louis -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Sat Jun 12 16:18:22 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id QAA25575 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 16:01:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-ID: <000501beb4f0$2f7fadc0$0c28480c@pavilion> From: "Nick Weeks" To: References: <19990612155915.56708.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: HPB & New World Order Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 09:25:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com > Nick Weeks----- > > I'll put link on my web page to Mr Steve Bonta's article on Mrs Blavatsky > http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/1999/03-01-99/newage.htm. > > Thank you for citation > > David David, Have you read the article? Do you post anything critical about any Theosophist, whether true or not? If yes, that seems an unscholarly, uncritical approach; not to mention unjust. His article is chock full of distortions and mistakes of fact. Nicholas -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Sat Jun 12 16:30:04 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id QAA25569 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 16:01:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f From: Teos9@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 12:13:53 EDT Subject: Re: Theos-World What happened here. Ask and ye shall receive ! To: theos-talk@theosophy.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com In a message dated 4/29/99 5:02:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dalval@nwc.net writes: << Have you ever read any of the books of Emmanuel Velikovsky ? wrote between 1945 and 1952 4 books. What about Charles Fort ? Ever read any of his ? Best wishes, Dallas >> Dear Dallas, Please forgive the tardiness of this reply. I am in the tour business and travel quite a lot this time of the year. Last April, you asked me the questions above. I take this opportunity to answer. I have only read one of the books by Emmanuel Velikovsky. It was quite some time ago but it did make an impression on me. " Worlds in collision" was the title, as I recall. As for the works of Charles Fort. I have been interested in fortean phenomena since 1968. His catalog of obscure articles from newspaper files in the libraries he frequented, is a contribution to students of occult phenomena that will never be repaid. Another group who did similar work in through the 1970s was Ivan Sanderson's Society for the investigation of the unexplained. (SITU.) Are you familiar with their work? Louis -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Sat Jun 12 18:15:04 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id SAA01914 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 18:01:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f From: Teos9@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 12:12:57 EDT Subject: Re: Theos-World HPB & New World Order To: theos-talk@theosophy.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com In a message dated 6/12/99 10:59:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Nick.Weeks@worldnet.att.net writes: << Success is not the point -- to me -- just to try. >> Good point Nicholas. Everyone should practice that in their own way. Louis -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. 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From owner-theos-talk Sat Jun 12 18:18:41 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id SAA01938 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 18:01:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-ID: <000501beb4f0$2f7fadc0$0c28480c@pavilion> From: "Nick Weeks" To: References: <19990612155915.56708.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: HPB & New World Order Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 09:25:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com > Nick Weeks----- > > I'll put link on my web page to Mr Steve Bonta's article on Mrs Blavatsky > http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/1999/03-01-99/newage.htm. > > Thank you for citation > > David David, Have you read the article? Do you post anything critical about any Theosophist, whether true or not? If yes, that seems an unscholarly, uncritical approach; not to mention unjust. His article is chock full of distortions and mistakes of fact. Nicholas -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Sat Jun 12 18:22:04 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id SAA01926 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 18:01:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f From: Teos9@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 12:13:53 EDT Subject: Re: Theos-World What happened here. Ask and ye shall receive ! To: theos-talk@theosophy.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com In a message dated 4/29/99 5:02:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dalval@nwc.net writes: << Have you ever read any of the books of Emmanuel Velikovsky ? wrote between 1945 and 1952 4 books. What about Charles Fort ? Ever read any of his ? Best wishes, Dallas >> Dear Dallas, Please forgive the tardiness of this reply. I am in the tour business and travel quite a lot this time of the year. Last April, you asked me the questions above. I take this opportunity to answer. I have only read one of the books by Emmanuel Velikovsky. It was quite some time ago but it did make an impression on me. " Worlds in collision" was the title, as I recall. As for the works of Charles Fort. I have been interested in fortean phenomena since 1968. His catalog of obscure articles from newspaper files in the libraries he frequented, is a contribution to students of occult phenomena that will never be repaid. Another group who did similar work in through the 1970s was Ivan Sanderson's Society for the investigation of the unexplained. (SITU.) Are you familiar with their work? Louis -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Sat Jun 12 18:25:42 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id SAA02796 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 18:14:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f From: "Peter Merriott" To: Subject: RE: Theos-World Mrs Blavatsky lied about journey in Tibet Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 00:12:54 +0100 Message-ID: <000701beb529$19f31440$e16045c2@et.u-net.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <19990612173850.87963.qmail@hotmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com David writes: >Who can believe anything this woman writes. After 30+ years of studying the works of HPB, and her Teachers I have found there to be an ever increasing level of realiability in all she writes, especially on the 'Secret Doctrine' and the Esoteric Tradition. Having taking the trouble to also study and compare Theosophy with those doctrines often referred to as the Perenial Philosophy which includes, among others, the Upanishads, Buddhism and the Mystical Traditions in general etc I have found there to be a depth and profundity to those teachings given out by HPB that is hard to surpass. The essential and core teachings given out by her will be found throughout the Perenial Philisophy and much light is thrown thereon by her works. The open minded seeker will find a number of independent corroborations as to the existence of her Teachers and their whereabouts at that time. A few of these will be found in "Damador" by Sven Eek. Yet 'events' and eye witness accounts will always be open to question by others and rarely, if ever, provide absolute proof of anything. Each one of us must be the 'assessor' of the truth we seek to uncover. And it is in our 'hearts' and through our lives that we need to seek, to ascertain and to 'test' the fundamental spiritual truths expressed in Theosophy and where ever else the Wisdom Religion may lie scattered like hidden pearls amongst the various spiritual traditions What one invariably discovers in exploring the life of HPB is that she gave *all* that she had to bring and explain these fundamental Teachings to the world at large. Whatever defects her physical body and personality may have suffered, and she appears to have willingly suffered a great deal in the carrying out of her task, behind that 'personage' stands a great and noble Soul that had the welfare of humanity at heart and worked unceasingly on its behalf. Such wisdom, greatness and generosity of spirit that were HPB's are an example for us all to aspire towards if we so choose. ...Peter "When a pickpocket meets a Saint he sees only his pockets." (Eastern proverb) -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Sat Jun 12 19:15:04 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id TAA06410 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 19:01:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f From: Teos9@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 12:12:57 EDT Subject: Re: Theos-World HPB & New World Order To: theos-talk@theosophy.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com In a message dated 6/12/99 10:59:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Nick.Weeks@worldnet.att.net writes: << Success is not the point -- to me -- just to try. >> Good point Nicholas. Everyone should practice that in their own way. Louis -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Sat Jun 12 19:18:02 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id TAA06401 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 19:01:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-ID: <000501beb4f0$2f7fadc0$0c28480c@pavilion> From: "Nick Weeks" To: References: <19990612155915.56708.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: HPB & New World Order Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 09:25:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com > Nick Weeks----- > > I'll put link on my web page to Mr Steve Bonta's article on Mrs Blavatsky > http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/1999/03-01-99/newage.htm. > > Thank you for citation > > David David, Have you read the article? Do you post anything critical about any Theosophist, whether true or not? If yes, that seems an unscholarly, uncritical approach; not to mention unjust. His article is chock full of distortions and mistakes of fact. Nicholas -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. 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From owner-theos-talk Sat Jun 12 19:20:53 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id TAA06424 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 19:01:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f From: Teos9@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 12:13:53 EDT Subject: Re: Theos-World What happened here. Ask and ye shall receive ! To: theos-talk@theosophy.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com In a message dated 4/29/99 5:02:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dalval@nwc.net writes: << Have you ever read any of the books of Emmanuel Velikovsky ? wrote between 1945 and 1952 4 books. What about Charles Fort ? Ever read any of his ? Best wishes, Dallas >> Dear Dallas, Please forgive the tardiness of this reply. I am in the tour business and travel quite a lot this time of the year. Last April, you asked me the questions above. I take this opportunity to answer. I have only read one of the books by Emmanuel Velikovsky. It was quite some time ago but it did make an impression on me. " Worlds in collision" was the title, as I recall. As for the works of Charles Fort. I have been interested in fortean phenomena since 1968. His catalog of obscure articles from newspaper files in the libraries he frequented, is a contribution to students of occult phenomena that will never be repaid. Another group who did similar work in through the 1970s was Ivan Sanderson's Society for the investigation of the unexplained. (SITU.) Are you familiar with their work? Louis -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Sat Jun 12 19:23:53 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id TAA06415 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 19:01:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f From: "Peter Merriott" To: Subject: RE: Theos-World Mrs Blavatsky lied about journey in Tibet Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 00:12:54 +0100 Message-ID: <000701beb529$19f31440$e16045c2@et.u-net.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <19990612173850.87963.qmail@hotmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com David writes: >Who can believe anything this woman writes. After 30+ years of studying the works of HPB, and her Teachers I have found there to be an ever increasing level of realiability in all she writes, especially on the 'Secret Doctrine' and the Esoteric Tradition. Having taking the trouble to also study and compare Theosophy with those doctrines often referred to as the Perenial Philosophy which includes, among others, the Upanishads, Buddhism and the Mystical Traditions in general etc I have found there to be a depth and profundity to those teachings given out by HPB that is hard to surpass. The essential and core teachings given out by her will be found throughout the Perenial Philisophy and much light is thrown thereon by her works. The open minded seeker will find a number of independent corroborations as to the existence of her Teachers and their whereabouts at that time. A few of these will be found in "Damador" by Sven Eek. Yet 'events' and eye witness accounts will always be open to question by others and rarely, if ever, provide absolute proof of anything. Each one of us must be the 'assessor' of the truth we seek to uncover. And it is in our 'hearts' and through our lives that we need to seek, to ascertain and to 'test' the fundamental spiritual truths expressed in Theosophy and where ever else the Wisdom Religion may lie scattered like hidden pearls amongst the various spiritual traditions What one invariably discovers in exploring the life of HPB is that she gave *all* that she had to bring and explain these fundamental Teachings to the world at large. Whatever defects her physical body and personality may have suffered, and she appears to have willingly suffered a great deal in the carrying out of her task, behind that 'personage' stands a great and noble Soul that had the welfare of humanity at heart and worked unceasingly on its behalf. Such wisdom, greatness and generosity of spirit that were HPB's are an example for us all to aspire towards if we so choose. ...Peter "When a pickpocket meets a Saint he sees only his pockets." (Eastern proverb) -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Sat Jun 12 19:30:04 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id TAA08713 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 19:26:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990612192500.00974100@mail.eden.com> X-Sender: ramadoss@mail.eden.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 19:25:00 -0500 To: theos-talk@theosophy.com From: M K Ramadoss Subject: RE: Theos-World Mrs Blavatsky lied about journey in Tibet In-Reply-To: <000701beb529$19f31440$e16045c2@et.u-net.com> References: <19990612173850.87963.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com At 12:12 AM 6/13/1999 +0100, Peter Merriott wrote: >"When a pickpocket meets a Saint he sees only his pockets." (Eastern >proverb) This is the first time I see this statement. A wonderful one. mkr -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Sat Jun 12 20:15:04 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id UAA11944 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 20:01:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990612192500.00974100@mail.eden.com> X-Sender: ramadoss@mail.eden.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 19:25:00 -0500 To: theos-talk@theosophy.com From: M K Ramadoss Subject: RE: Theos-World Mrs Blavatsky lied about journey in Tibet In-Reply-To: <000701beb529$19f31440$e16045c2@et.u-net.com> References: <19990612173850.87963.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com At 12:12 AM 6/13/1999 +0100, Peter Merriott wrote: >"When a pickpocket meets a Saint he sees only his pockets." (Eastern >proverb) This is the first time I see this statement. A wonderful one. mkr -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Sat Jun 12 20:17:44 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id UAA11923 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 20:01:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f From: Teos9@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 12:12:57 EDT Subject: Re: Theos-World HPB & New World Order To: theos-talk@theosophy.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com In a message dated 6/12/99 10:59:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Nick.Weeks@worldnet.att.net writes: << Success is not the point -- to me -- just to try. >> Good point Nicholas. Everyone should practice that in their own way. Louis -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Sat Jun 12 20:20:44 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id UAA11908 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 20:01:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-ID: <000501beb4f0$2f7fadc0$0c28480c@pavilion> From: "Nick Weeks" To: References: <19990612155915.56708.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: HPB & New World Order Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 09:25:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com > Nick Weeks----- > > I'll put link on my web page to Mr Steve Bonta's article on Mrs Blavatsky > http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/1999/03-01-99/newage.htm. > > Thank you for citation > > David David, Have you read the article? Do you post anything critical about any Theosophist, whether true or not? If yes, that seems an unscholarly, uncritical approach; not to mention unjust. His article is chock full of distortions and mistakes of fact. Nicholas -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Sat Jun 12 20:23:20 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id UAA11930 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 20:01:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f From: Teos9@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 12:13:53 EDT Subject: Re: Theos-World What happened here. Ask and ye shall receive ! To: theos-talk@theosophy.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com In a message dated 4/29/99 5:02:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dalval@nwc.net writes: << Have you ever read any of the books of Emmanuel Velikovsky ? wrote between 1945 and 1952 4 books. What about Charles Fort ? Ever read any of his ? Best wishes, Dallas >> Dear Dallas, Please forgive the tardiness of this reply. I am in the tour business and travel quite a lot this time of the year. Last April, you asked me the questions above. I take this opportunity to answer. I have only read one of the books by Emmanuel Velikovsky. It was quite some time ago but it did make an impression on me. " Worlds in collision" was the title, as I recall. As for the works of Charles Fort. I have been interested in fortean phenomena since 1968. His catalog of obscure articles from newspaper files in the libraries he frequented, is a contribution to students of occult phenomena that will never be repaid. Another group who did similar work in through the 1970s was Ivan Sanderson's Society for the investigation of the unexplained. (SITU.) Are you familiar with their work? Louis -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Sat Jun 12 20:26:22 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id UAA11938 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 20:01:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f From: "Peter Merriott" To: Subject: RE: Theos-World Mrs Blavatsky lied about journey in Tibet Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 00:12:54 +0100 Message-ID: <000701beb529$19f31440$e16045c2@et.u-net.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <19990612173850.87963.qmail@hotmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com David writes: >Who can believe anything this woman writes. After 30+ years of studying the works of HPB, and her Teachers I have found there to be an ever increasing level of realiability in all she writes, especially on the 'Secret Doctrine' and the Esoteric Tradition. Having taking the trouble to also study and compare Theosophy with those doctrines often referred to as the Perenial Philosophy which includes, among others, the Upanishads, Buddhism and the Mystical Traditions in general etc I have found there to be a depth and profundity to those teachings given out by HPB that is hard to surpass. The essential and core teachings given out by her will be found throughout the Perenial Philisophy and much light is thrown thereon by her works. The open minded seeker will find a number of independent corroborations as to the existence of her Teachers and their whereabouts at that time. A few of these will be found in "Damador" by Sven Eek. Yet 'events' and eye witness accounts will always be open to question by others and rarely, if ever, provide absolute proof of anything. Each one of us must be the 'assessor' of the truth we seek to uncover. And it is in our 'hearts' and through our lives that we need to seek, to ascertain and to 'test' the fundamental spiritual truths expressed in Theosophy and where ever else the Wisdom Religion may lie scattered like hidden pearls amongst the various spiritual traditions What one invariably discovers in exploring the life of HPB is that she gave *all* that she had to bring and explain these fundamental Teachings to the world at large. Whatever defects her physical body and personality may have suffered, and she appears to have willingly suffered a great deal in the carrying out of her task, behind that 'personage' stands a great and noble Soul that had the welfare of humanity at heart and worked unceasingly on its behalf. Such wisdom, greatness and generosity of spirit that were HPB's are an example for us all to aspire towards if we so choose. ...Peter "When a pickpocket meets a Saint he sees only his pockets." (Eastern proverb) -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. 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From owner-theos-talk Sat Jun 12 21:15:08 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id VAA17129 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 21:01:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990612192500.00974100@mail.eden.com> X-Sender: ramadoss@mail.eden.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 19:25:00 -0500 To: theos-talk@theosophy.com From: M K Ramadoss Subject: RE: Theos-World Mrs Blavatsky lied about journey in Tibet In-Reply-To: <000701beb529$19f31440$e16045c2@et.u-net.com> References: <19990612173850.87963.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com At 12:12 AM 6/13/1999 +0100, Peter Merriott wrote: >"When a pickpocket meets a Saint he sees only his pockets." (Eastern >proverb) This is the first time I see this statement. A wonderful one. mkr -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Sat Jun 12 21:20:11 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id VAA17142 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 21:01:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f From: Teos9@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 12:12:57 EDT Subject: Re: Theos-World HPB & New World Order To: theos-talk@theosophy.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com In a message dated 6/12/99 10:59:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Nick.Weeks@worldnet.att.net writes: << Success is not the point -- to me -- just to try. >> Good point Nicholas. Everyone should practice that in their own way. Louis -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. 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From owner-theos-talk Sat Jun 12 21:23:06 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id VAA17160 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 21:01:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-ID: <000501beb4f0$2f7fadc0$0c28480c@pavilion> From: "Nick Weeks" To: References: <19990612155915.56708.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: HPB & New World Order Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 09:25:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com > Nick Weeks----- > > I'll put link on my web page to Mr Steve Bonta's article on Mrs Blavatsky > http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/1999/03-01-99/newage.htm. > > Thank you for citation > > David David, Have you read the article? Do you post anything critical about any Theosophist, whether true or not? If yes, that seems an unscholarly, uncritical approach; not to mention unjust. His article is chock full of distortions and mistakes of fact. Nicholas -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. 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From owner-theos-talk Sat Jun 12 21:27:53 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id VAA17167 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 21:01:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f From: Teos9@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 12:13:53 EDT Subject: Re: Theos-World What happened here. Ask and ye shall receive ! To: theos-talk@theosophy.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com In a message dated 4/29/99 5:02:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dalval@nwc.net writes: << Have you ever read any of the books of Emmanuel Velikovsky ? wrote between 1945 and 1952 4 books. What about Charles Fort ? Ever read any of his ? Best wishes, Dallas >> Dear Dallas, Please forgive the tardiness of this reply. I am in the tour business and travel quite a lot this time of the year. Last April, you asked me the questions above. I take this opportunity to answer. I have only read one of the books by Emmanuel Velikovsky. It was quite some time ago but it did make an impression on me. " Worlds in collision" was the title, as I recall. As for the works of Charles Fort. I have been interested in fortean phenomena since 1968. His catalog of obscure articles from newspaper files in the libraries he frequented, is a contribution to students of occult phenomena that will never be repaid. Another group who did similar work in through the 1970s was Ivan Sanderson's Society for the investigation of the unexplained. (SITU.) Are you familiar with their work? Louis -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. 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To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. 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From owner-theos-talk Sat Jun 12 21:30:05 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id VAA17170 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 21:01:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f From: "Peter Merriott" To: Subject: RE: Theos-World Mrs Blavatsky lied about journey in Tibet Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 00:12:54 +0100 Message-ID: <000701beb529$19f31440$e16045c2@et.u-net.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <19990612173850.87963.qmail@hotmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com David writes: >Who can believe anything this woman writes. After 30+ years of studying the works of HPB, and her Teachers I have found there to be an ever increasing level of realiability in all she writes, especially on the 'Secret Doctrine' and the Esoteric Tradition. Having taking the trouble to also study and compare Theosophy with those doctrines often referred to as the Perenial Philosophy which includes, among others, the Upanishads, Buddhism and the Mystical Traditions in general etc I have found there to be a depth and profundity to those teachings given out by HPB that is hard to surpass. The essential and core teachings given out by her will be found throughout the Perenial Philisophy and much light is thrown thereon by her works. The open minded seeker will find a number of independent corroborations as to the existence of her Teachers and their whereabouts at that time. A few of these will be found in "Damador" by Sven Eek. Yet 'events' and eye witness accounts will always be open to question by others and rarely, if ever, provide absolute proof of anything. Each one of us must be the 'assessor' of the truth we seek to uncover. And it is in our 'hearts' and through our lives that we need to seek, to ascertain and to 'test' the fundamental spiritual truths expressed in Theosophy and where ever else the Wisdom Religion may lie scattered like hidden pearls amongst the various spiritual traditions What one invariably discovers in exploring the life of HPB is that she gave *all* that she had to bring and explain these fundamental Teachings to the world at large. Whatever defects her physical body and personality may have suffered, and she appears to have willingly suffered a great deal in the carrying out of her task, behind that 'personage' stands a great and noble Soul that had the welfare of humanity at heart and worked unceasingly on its behalf. Such wisdom, greatness and generosity of spirit that were HPB's are an example for us all to aspire towards if we so choose. ...Peter "When a pickpocket meets a Saint he sees only his pockets." (Eastern proverb) -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. 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From owner-theos-talk Sat Jun 12 22:15:04 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id WAA21751 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 22:01:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990612192500.00974100@mail.eden.com> X-Sender: ramadoss@mail.eden.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 19:25:00 -0500 To: theos-talk@theosophy.com From: M K Ramadoss Subject: RE: Theos-World Mrs Blavatsky lied about journey in Tibet In-Reply-To: <000701beb529$19f31440$e16045c2@et.u-net.com> References: <19990612173850.87963.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com At 12:12 AM 6/13/1999 +0100, Peter Merriott wrote: >"When a pickpocket meets a Saint he sees only his pockets." (Eastern >proverb) This is the first time I see this statement. A wonderful one. mkr -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. 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From owner-theos-talk Sat Jun 12 22:18:18 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id WAA21757 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 22:01:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f From: Teos9@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 12:12:57 EDT Subject: Re: Theos-World HPB & New World Order To: theos-talk@theosophy.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com In a message dated 6/12/99 10:59:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Nick.Weeks@worldnet.att.net writes: << Success is not the point -- to me -- just to try. >> Good point Nicholas. Everyone should practice that in their own way. Louis -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. 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To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. 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From owner-theos-talk Sat Jun 12 22:21:13 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id WAA21770 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 22:01:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-ID: <000501beb4f0$2f7fadc0$0c28480c@pavilion> From: "Nick Weeks" To: References: <19990612155915.56708.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: HPB & New World Order Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 09:25:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com > Nick Weeks----- > > I'll put link on my web page to Mr Steve Bonta's article on Mrs Blavatsky > http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/1999/03-01-99/newage.htm. > > Thank you for citation > > David David, Have you read the article? Do you post anything critical about any Theosophist, whether true or not? If yes, that seems an unscholarly, uncritical approach; not to mention unjust. His article is chock full of distortions and mistakes of fact. Nicholas -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. 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To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Sat Jun 12 22:24:32 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id WAA21789 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 22:01:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f From: Teos9@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 12:13:53 EDT Subject: Re: Theos-World What happened here. Ask and ye shall receive ! To: theos-talk@theosophy.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com In a message dated 4/29/99 5:02:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dalval@nwc.net writes: << Have you ever read any of the books of Emmanuel Velikovsky ? wrote between 1945 and 1952 4 books. What about Charles Fort ? Ever read any of his ? Best wishes, Dallas >> Dear Dallas, Please forgive the tardiness of this reply. I am in the tour business and travel quite a lot this time of the year. Last April, you asked me the questions above. I take this opportunity to answer. I have only read one of the books by Emmanuel Velikovsky. It was quite some time ago but it did make an impression on me. " Worlds in collision" was the title, as I recall. As for the works of Charles Fort. I have been interested in fortean phenomena since 1968. His catalog of obscure articles from newspaper files in the libraries he frequented, is a contribution to students of occult phenomena that will never be repaid. Another group who did similar work in through the 1970s was Ivan Sanderson's Society for the investigation of the unexplained. (SITU.) Are you familiar with their work? Louis -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. 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From owner-theos-talk Sat Jun 12 22:27:42 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id WAA21791 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 22:01:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f From: "Peter Merriott" To: Subject: RE: Theos-World Mrs Blavatsky lied about journey in Tibet Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 00:12:54 +0100 Message-ID: <000701beb529$19f31440$e16045c2@et.u-net.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <19990612173850.87963.qmail@hotmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com David writes: >Who can believe anything this woman writes. After 30+ years of studying the works of HPB, and her Teachers I have found there to be an ever increasing level of realiability in all she writes, especially on the 'Secret Doctrine' and the Esoteric Tradition. Having taking the trouble to also study and compare Theosophy with those doctrines often referred to as the Perenial Philosophy which includes, among others, the Upanishads, Buddhism and the Mystical Traditions in general etc I have found there to be a depth and profundity to those teachings given out by HPB that is hard to surpass. The essential and core teachings given out by her will be found throughout the Perenial Philisophy and much light is thrown thereon by her works. The open minded seeker will find a number of independent corroborations as to the existence of her Teachers and their whereabouts at that time. A few of these will be found in "Damador" by Sven Eek. Yet 'events' and eye witness accounts will always be open to question by others and rarely, if ever, provide absolute proof of anything. Each one of us must be the 'assessor' of the truth we seek to uncover. And it is in our 'hearts' and through our lives that we need to seek, to ascertain and to 'test' the fundamental spiritual truths expressed in Theosophy and where ever else the Wisdom Religion may lie scattered like hidden pearls amongst the various spiritual traditions What one invariably discovers in exploring the life of HPB is that she gave *all* that she had to bring and explain these fundamental Teachings to the world at large. Whatever defects her physical body and personality may have suffered, and she appears to have willingly suffered a great deal in the carrying out of her task, behind that 'personage' stands a great and noble Soul that had the welfare of humanity at heart and worked unceasingly on its behalf. Such wisdom, greatness and generosity of spirit that were HPB's are an example for us all to aspire towards if we so choose. ...Peter "When a pickpocket meets a Saint he sees only his pockets." (Eastern proverb) -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Sat Jun 12 22:30:04 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id WAA23738 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 22:27:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f From: "W. Dallas TenBroeck" To: Subject: RE: Theos-World What happened here. Ask and ye shall receive ! Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 20:22:13 -0700 Message-ID: <000001beb54b$ee461ea0$af0e97cf@nwc.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com June 12th Dear Friend: The reason that I am interested in Fort, Velikovsky etc. is because they kept notes on odd things that happened or were witnessed and then never well explained. The evidence mounts that we all see things that our present scientific hypotheses don't cover well. When queried Scientists laugh and try to pass them along in various ways. So who is to take them seriously as matters for closer investigation ? We ought to be able to find a place where such information is available for ready reference and where it is either settled or remains an open question. Same for Crop circles, UFOs, and other anomalies. Problem is that by and large Science is focused on those things that it is familiar with or which dovetail into their established theories Do you know of any such Web-site ? Dal. ====================== -----Original Message----- From: owner-theos-talk@pippin.imagiware.com [mailto:owner-theos-talk@pippin.imagiware.com]On Behalf Of Teos9@aol.com Sent: Saturday, June 12, 1999 9:14 AM To: theos-talk@theosophy.com Subject: Re: Theos-World What happened here. Ask and ye shall receive ! In a message dated 4/29/99 5:02:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dalval@nwc.net writes: << Have you ever read any of the books of Emmanuel Velikovsky ? wrote between 1945 and 1952 4 books. What about Charles Fort ? Ever read any of his ? Best wishes, Dallas >> Dear Dallas, Please forgive the tardiness of this reply. I am in the tour business and travel quite a lot this time of the year. Last April, you asked me the questions above. I take this opportunity to answer. I have only read one of the books by Emmanuel Velikovsky. It was quite some time ago but it did make an impression on me. " Worlds in collision" was the title, as I recall. As for the works of Charles Fort. I have been interested in fortean phenomena since 1968. His catalog of obscure articles from newspaper files in the libraries he frequented, is a contribution to students of occult phenomena that will never be repaid. Another group who did similar work in through the 1970s was Ivan Sanderson's Society for the investigation of the unexplained. (SITU.) Are you familiar with their work? Louis -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. 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From owner-theos-talk Sat Jun 12 23:15:04 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id XAA26036 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 23:01:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990612192500.00974100@mail.eden.com> X-Sender: ramadoss@mail.eden.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 19:25:00 -0500 To: theos-talk@theosophy.com From: M K Ramadoss Subject: RE: Theos-World Mrs Blavatsky lied about journey in Tibet In-Reply-To: <000701beb529$19f31440$e16045c2@et.u-net.com> References: <19990612173850.87963.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com At 12:12 AM 6/13/1999 +0100, Peter Merriott wrote: >"When a pickpocket meets a Saint he sees only his pockets." (Eastern >proverb) This is the first time I see this statement. A wonderful one. mkr -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. 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From owner-theos-talk Sat Jun 12 23:18:33 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id XAA26042 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 23:01:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f From: Teos9@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 12:12:57 EDT Subject: Re: Theos-World HPB & New World Order To: theos-talk@theosophy.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com In a message dated 6/12/99 10:59:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Nick.Weeks@worldnet.att.net writes: << Success is not the point -- to me -- just to try. >> Good point Nicholas. Everyone should practice that in their own way. Louis -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Sat Jun 12 23:21:43 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id XAA26079 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 23:01:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f From: "W. Dallas TenBroeck" To: Subject: RE: Theos-World What happened here. Ask and ye shall receive ! Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 20:22:13 -0700 Message-ID: <000001beb54b$ee461ea0$af0e97cf@nwc.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com June 12th Dear Friend: The reason that I am interested in Fort, Velikovsky etc. is because they kept notes on odd things that happened or were witnessed and then never well explained. The evidence mounts that we all see things that our present scientific hypotheses don't cover well. When queried Scientists laugh and try to pass them along in various ways. So who is to take them seriously as matters for closer investigation ? We ought to be able to find a place where such information is available for ready reference and where it is either settled or remains an open question. Same for Crop circles, UFOs, and other anomalies. Problem is that by and large Science is focused on those things that it is familiar with or which dovetail into their established theories Do you know of any such Web-site ? Dal. ====================== -----Original Message----- From: owner-theos-talk@pippin.imagiware.com [mailto:owner-theos-talk@pippin.imagiware.com]On Behalf Of Teos9@aol.com Sent: Saturday, June 12, 1999 9:14 AM To: theos-talk@theosophy.com Subject: Re: Theos-World What happened here. Ask and ye shall receive ! In a message dated 4/29/99 5:02:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dalval@nwc.net writes: << Have you ever read any of the books of Emmanuel Velikovsky ? wrote between 1945 and 1952 4 books. What about Charles Fort ? Ever read any of his ? Best wishes, Dallas >> Dear Dallas, Please forgive the tardiness of this reply. I am in the tour business and travel quite a lot this time of the year. Last April, you asked me the questions above. I take this opportunity to answer. I have only read one of the books by Emmanuel Velikovsky. It was quite some time ago but it did make an impression on me. " Worlds in collision" was the title, as I recall. As for the works of Charles Fort. I have been interested in fortean phenomena since 1968. His catalog of obscure articles from newspaper files in the libraries he frequented, is a contribution to students of occult phenomena that will never be repaid. Another group who did similar work in through the 1970s was Ivan Sanderson's Society for the investigation of the unexplained. (SITU.) Are you familiar with their work? Louis -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Sat Jun 12 23:24:43 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id XAA26049 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 23:01:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-ID: <000501beb4f0$2f7fadc0$0c28480c@pavilion> From: "Nick Weeks" To: References: <19990612155915.56708.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: HPB & New World Order Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 09:25:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com > Nick Weeks----- > > I'll put link on my web page to Mr Steve Bonta's article on Mrs Blavatsky > http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/1999/03-01-99/newage.htm. > > Thank you for citation > > David David, Have you read the article? Do you post anything critical about any Theosophist, whether true or not? If yes, that seems an unscholarly, uncritical approach; not to mention unjust. His article is chock full of distortions and mistakes of fact. Nicholas -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Sat Jun 12 23:27:34 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id XAA26057 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 23:01:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f From: Teos9@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 12:13:53 EDT Subject: Re: Theos-World What happened here. Ask and ye shall receive ! To: theos-talk@theosophy.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com In a message dated 4/29/99 5:02:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dalval@nwc.net writes: << Have you ever read any of the books of Emmanuel Velikovsky ? wrote between 1945 and 1952 4 books. What about Charles Fort ? Ever read any of his ? Best wishes, Dallas >> Dear Dallas, Please forgive the tardiness of this reply. I am in the tour business and travel quite a lot this time of the year. Last April, you asked me the questions above. I take this opportunity to answer. I have only read one of the books by Emmanuel Velikovsky. It was quite some time ago but it did make an impression on me. " Worlds in collision" was the title, as I recall. As for the works of Charles Fort. I have been interested in fortean phenomena since 1968. His catalog of obscure articles from newspaper files in the libraries he frequented, is a contribution to students of occult phenomena that will never be repaid. Another group who did similar work in through the 1970s was Ivan Sanderson's Society for the investigation of the unexplained. (SITU.) Are you familiar with their work? Louis -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. 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To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. 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From owner-theos-talk Sat Jun 12 23:30:04 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id XAA26065 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 23:01:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f From: "Peter Merriott" To: Subject: RE: Theos-World Mrs Blavatsky lied about journey in Tibet Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 00:12:54 +0100 Message-ID: <000701beb529$19f31440$e16045c2@et.u-net.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <19990612173850.87963.qmail@hotmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com David writes: >Who can believe anything this woman writes. After 30+ years of studying the works of HPB, and her Teachers I have found there to be an ever increasing level of realiability in all she writes, especially on the 'Secret Doctrine' and the Esoteric Tradition. Having taking the trouble to also study and compare Theosophy with those doctrines often referred to as the Perenial Philosophy which includes, among others, the Upanishads, Buddhism and the Mystical Traditions in general etc I have found there to be a depth and profundity to those teachings given out by HPB that is hard to surpass. The essential and core teachings given out by her will be found throughout the Perenial Philisophy and much light is thrown thereon by her works. The open minded seeker will find a number of independent corroborations as to the existence of her Teachers and their whereabouts at that time. A few of these will be found in "Damador" by Sven Eek. Yet 'events' and eye witness accounts will always be open to question by others and rarely, if ever, provide absolute proof of anything. Each one of us must be the 'assessor' of the truth we seek to uncover. And it is in our 'hearts' and through our lives that we need to seek, to ascertain and to 'test' the fundamental spiritual truths expressed in Theosophy and where ever else the Wisdom Religion may lie scattered like hidden pearls amongst the various spiritual traditions What one invariably discovers in exploring the life of HPB is that she gave *all* that she had to bring and explain these fundamental Teachings to the world at large. Whatever defects her physical body and personality may have suffered, and she appears to have willingly suffered a great deal in the carrying out of her task, behind that 'personage' stands a great and noble Soul that had the welfare of humanity at heart and worked unceasingly on its behalf. Such wisdom, greatness and generosity of spirit that were HPB's are an example for us all to aspire towards if we so choose. ...Peter "When a pickpocket meets a Saint he sees only his pockets." (Eastern proverb) -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Sun Jun 13 00:15:05 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id AAA29768 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 00:01:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990612192500.00974100@mail.eden.com> X-Sender: ramadoss@mail.eden.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 19:25:00 -0500 To: theos-talk@theosophy.com From: M K Ramadoss Subject: RE: Theos-World Mrs Blavatsky lied about journey in Tibet In-Reply-To: <000701beb529$19f31440$e16045c2@et.u-net.com> References: <19990612173850.87963.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com At 12:12 AM 6/13/1999 +0100, Peter Merriott wrote: >"When a pickpocket meets a Saint he sees only his pockets." (Eastern >proverb) This is the first time I see this statement. A wonderful one. mkr -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. 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From owner-theos-talk Sun Jun 13 00:20:24 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id AAA29774 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 00:01:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f From: Teos9@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 12:12:57 EDT Subject: Re: Theos-World HPB & New World Order To: theos-talk@theosophy.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com In a message dated 6/12/99 10:59:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Nick.Weeks@worldnet.att.net writes: << Success is not the point -- to me -- just to try. >> Good point Nicholas. Everyone should practice that in their own way. Louis -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. 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To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Sun Jun 13 00:23:40 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id AAA29784 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 00:01:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f From: "W. Dallas TenBroeck" To: Subject: RE: Theos-World What happened here. Ask and ye shall receive ! Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 20:22:13 -0700 Message-ID: <000001beb54b$ee461ea0$af0e97cf@nwc.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com June 12th Dear Friend: The reason that I am interested in Fort, Velikovsky etc. is because they kept notes on odd things that happened or were witnessed and then never well explained. The evidence mounts that we all see things that our present scientific hypotheses don't cover well. When queried Scientists laugh and try to pass them along in various ways. So who is to take them seriously as matters for closer investigation ? We ought to be able to find a place where such information is available for ready reference and where it is either settled or remains an open question. Same for Crop circles, UFOs, and other anomalies. Problem is that by and large Science is focused on those things that it is familiar with or which dovetail into their established theories Do you know of any such Web-site ? Dal. ====================== -----Original Message----- From: owner-theos-talk@pippin.imagiware.com [mailto:owner-theos-talk@pippin.imagiware.com]On Behalf Of Teos9@aol.com Sent: Saturday, June 12, 1999 9:14 AM To: theos-talk@theosophy.com Subject: Re: Theos-World What happened here. Ask and ye shall receive ! In a message dated 4/29/99 5:02:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dalval@nwc.net writes: << Have you ever read any of the books of Emmanuel Velikovsky ? wrote between 1945 and 1952 4 books. What about Charles Fort ? Ever read any of his ? Best wishes, Dallas >> Dear Dallas, Please forgive the tardiness of this reply. I am in the tour business and travel quite a lot this time of the year. Last April, you asked me the questions above. I take this opportunity to answer. I have only read one of the books by Emmanuel Velikovsky. It was quite some time ago but it did make an impression on me. " Worlds in collision" was the title, as I recall. As for the works of Charles Fort. I have been interested in fortean phenomena since 1968. His catalog of obscure articles from newspaper files in the libraries he frequented, is a contribution to students of occult phenomena that will never be repaid. Another group who did similar work in through the 1970s was Ivan Sanderson's Society for the investigation of the unexplained. (SITU.) Are you familiar with their work? Louis -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Sun Jun 13 00:27:23 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id AAA29797 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 00:01:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-ID: <000501beb4f0$2f7fadc0$0c28480c@pavilion> From: "Nick Weeks" To: References: <19990612155915.56708.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: HPB & New World Order Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 09:25:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com > Nick Weeks----- > > I'll put link on my web page to Mr Steve Bonta's article on Mrs Blavatsky > http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/1999/03-01-99/newage.htm. > > Thank you for citation > > David David, Have you read the article? Do you post anything critical about any Theosophist, whether true or not? If yes, that seems an unscholarly, uncritical approach; not to mention unjust. His article is chock full of distortions and mistakes of fact. Nicholas -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. 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To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. 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From owner-theos-talk Sun Jun 13 00:30:04 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id AAA30520 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 00:19:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f From: THEMAZEMAN@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 01:17:43 EDT Subject: Re: Theos-World: Is the list broken, have received same messages over and over?? To: theos-talk@theosophy.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 235 Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com I read and deleted the same set of three or four messages about five or ten times each. I just now received another duplicate. Is there something wrong with the list? I just got back from the Ozark Theosophy Camp meeting, and am on my way to a Literacy Convention, and hate to think about my mail filling up while I'm gone. John -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Sun Jun 13 00:31:57 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id AAA29807 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 00:01:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f From: Teos9@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 12:13:53 EDT Subject: Re: Theos-World What happened here. Ask and ye shall receive ! To: theos-talk@theosophy.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com In a message dated 4/29/99 5:02:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dalval@nwc.net writes: << Have you ever read any of the books of Emmanuel Velikovsky ? wrote between 1945 and 1952 4 books. What about Charles Fort ? Ever read any of his ? Best wishes, Dallas >> Dear Dallas, Please forgive the tardiness of this reply. I am in the tour business and travel quite a lot this time of the year. Last April, you asked me the questions above. I take this opportunity to answer. I have only read one of the books by Emmanuel Velikovsky. It was quite some time ago but it did make an impression on me. " Worlds in collision" was the title, as I recall. As for the works of Charles Fort. I have been interested in fortean phenomena since 1968. His catalog of obscure articles from newspaper files in the libraries he frequented, is a contribution to students of occult phenomena that will never be repaid. Another group who did similar work in through the 1970s was Ivan Sanderson's Society for the investigation of the unexplained. (SITU.) Are you familiar with their work? Louis -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. 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To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Sun Jun 13 00:33:27 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id AAA29813 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 00:01:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f From: "Peter Merriott" To: Subject: RE: Theos-World Mrs Blavatsky lied about journey in Tibet Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 00:12:54 +0100 Message-ID: <000701beb529$19f31440$e16045c2@et.u-net.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <19990612173850.87963.qmail@hotmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com David writes: >Who can believe anything this woman writes. After 30+ years of studying the works of HPB, and her Teachers I have found there to be an ever increasing level of realiability in all she writes, especially on the 'Secret Doctrine' and the Esoteric Tradition. Having taking the trouble to also study and compare Theosophy with those doctrines often referred to as the Perenial Philosophy which includes, among others, the Upanishads, Buddhism and the Mystical Traditions in general etc I have found there to be a depth and profundity to those teachings given out by HPB that is hard to surpass. The essential and core teachings given out by her will be found throughout the Perenial Philisophy and much light is thrown thereon by her works. The open minded seeker will find a number of independent corroborations as to the existence of her Teachers and their whereabouts at that time. A few of these will be found in "Damador" by Sven Eek. Yet 'events' and eye witness accounts will always be open to question by others and rarely, if ever, provide absolute proof of anything. Each one of us must be the 'assessor' of the truth we seek to uncover. And it is in our 'hearts' and through our lives that we need to seek, to ascertain and to 'test' the fundamental spiritual truths expressed in Theosophy and where ever else the Wisdom Religion may lie scattered like hidden pearls amongst the various spiritual traditions What one invariably discovers in exploring the life of HPB is that she gave *all* that she had to bring and explain these fundamental Teachings to the world at large. Whatever defects her physical body and personality may have suffered, and she appears to have willingly suffered a great deal in the carrying out of her task, behind that 'personage' stands a great and noble Soul that had the welfare of humanity at heart and worked unceasingly on its behalf. Such wisdom, greatness and generosity of spirit that were HPB's are an example for us all to aspire towards if we so choose. ...Peter "When a pickpocket meets a Saint he sees only his pockets." (Eastern proverb) -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. 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From owner-theos-talk Sun Jun 13 00:36:48 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id AAA30778 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 00:25:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQJDAHXR6RSktDoJJ56YGQvQbBdLwIUDNl0DpNa1BcntL8/+aFSCHvBwHM= From: gfdrucker@webtv.net (Gerry Druckerman) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 22:24:03 -0700 (PDT) To: theos-talk@theosophy.com Subject: RE: Theos-World Mrs Blavatsky lied about journey in Tibet Message-ID: <3466-37634073-18313@postoffice-151.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "Peter Merriott" 's message of Sun, 13 Jun 1999 00:12:54 +0100 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-2103875738-10563 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com --WebTV-Mail-2103875738-10563 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit I received 40 new messages tonight, all but yours were received earlier and were discarded. All including this message were repeated more than a half a dozen times. I don't understand whats going on. Gerry --WebTV-Mail-2103875738-10563 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from mailsorter-101-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.97) by postoffice-153.iap.bryant.webtv.net; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 21:30:29 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from pippin.imagiware.com (pippin.imagiware.com [205.254.196.9]) by mailsorter-101-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.graham.14Aug97) with ESMTP id VAA17196; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 21:30:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id XAA26065 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 23:01:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f From: "Peter Merriott" To: Subject: RE: Theos-World Mrs Blavatsky lied about journey in Tibet Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 00:12:54 +0100 Message-ID: <000701beb529$19f31440$e16045c2@et.u-net.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <19990612173850.87963.qmail@hotmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-theos-talk@pippin.imagiware.com Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com David writes: >Who can believe anything this woman writes. After 30+ years of studying the works of HPB, and her Teachers I have found there to be an ever increasing level of realiability in all she writes, especially on the 'Secret Doctrine' and the Esoteric Tradition. Having taking the trouble to also study and compare Theosophy with those doctrines often referred to as the Perenial Philosophy which includes, among others, the Upanishads, Buddhism and the Mystical Traditions in general etc I have found there to be a depth and profundity to those teachings given out by HPB that is hard to surpass. The essential and core teachings given out by her will be found throughout the Perenial Philisophy and much light is thrown thereon by her works. The open minded seeker will find a number of independent corroborations as to the existence of her Teachers and their whereabouts at that time. A few of these will be found in "Damador" by Sven Eek. Yet 'events' and eye witness accounts will always be open to question by others and rarely, if ever, provide absolute proof of anything. Each one of us must be the 'assessor' of the truth we seek to uncover. And it is in our 'hearts' and through our lives that we need to seek, to ascertain and to 'test' the fundamental spiritual truths expressed in Theosophy and where ever else the Wisdom Religion may lie scattered like hidden pearls amongst the various spiritual traditions What one invariably discovers in exploring the life of HPB is that she gave *all* that she had to bring and explain these fundamental Teachings to the world at large. Whatever defects her physical body and personality may have suffered, and she appears to have willingly suffered a great deal in the carrying out of her task, behind that 'personage' stands a great and noble Soul that had the welfare of humanity at heart and worked unceasingly on its behalf. Such wisdom, greatness and generosity of spirit that were HPB's are an example for us all to aspire towards if we so choose. ...Peter "When a pickpocket meets a Saint he sees only his pockets." (Eastern proverb) -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. --WebTV-Mail-2103875738-10563-- -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Sun Jun 13 00:45:04 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id AAA31252 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 00:34:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAvBJmAI9a9CXwS6V03NfXMSvx/R8CFQCr9LOc6dD4DZAwEBP8OgGbHEdKWA== From: gfdrucker@webtv.net (Gerry Druckerman) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 22:33:08 -0700 (PDT) To: theos-talk@theosophy.com Subject: RE: Theos-World What happened here. Ask and ye shall receive ! Message-ID: <3466-37634294-18345@postoffice-151.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "W. Dallas TenBroeck" 's message of Sat, 12 Jun 1999 20:22:13 -0700 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-909168805-10577 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com --WebTV-Mail-909168805-10577 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit About 5 or 6 0f the same letters are coming to a total of 45 and they are still coming. ???????? Gerry --WebTV-Mail-909168805-10577 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from mailsorter-101-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.97) by postoffice-153.iap.bryant.webtv.net; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 22:24:07 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from pippin.imagiware.com (pippin.imagiware.com [205.254.196.9]) by mailsorter-101-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.graham.14Aug97) with ESMTP id WAA10167; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 22:24:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id AAA29784 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 00:01:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f From: "W. Dallas TenBroeck" To: Subject: RE: Theos-World What happened here. Ask and ye shall receive ! Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 20:22:13 -0700 Message-ID: <000001beb54b$ee461ea0$af0e97cf@nwc.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-theos-talk@pippin.imagiware.com Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com June 12th Dear Friend: The reason that I am interested in Fort, Velikovsky etc. is because they kept notes on odd things that happened or were witnessed and then never well explained. The evidence mounts that we all see things that our present scientific hypotheses don't cover well. When queried Scientists laugh and try to pass them along in various ways. So who is to take them seriously as matters for closer investigation ? We ought to be able to find a place where such information is available for ready reference and where it is either settled or remains an open question. Same for Crop circles, UFOs, and other anomalies. Problem is that by and large Science is focused on those things that it is familiar with or which dovetail into their established theories Do you know of any such Web-site ? Dal. ====================== -----Original Message----- From: owner-theos-talk@pippin.imagiware.com [mailto:owner-theos-talk@pippin.imagiware.com]On Behalf Of Teos9@aol.com Sent: Saturday, June 12, 1999 9:14 AM To: theos-talk@theosophy.com Subject: Re: Theos-World What happened here. Ask and ye shall receive ! In a message dated 4/29/99 5:02:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dalval@nwc.net writes: << Have you ever read any of the books of Emmanuel Velikovsky ? wrote between 1945 and 1952 4 books. What about Charles Fort ? Ever read any of his ? Best wishes, Dallas >> Dear Dallas, Please forgive the tardiness of this reply. I am in the tour business and travel quite a lot this time of the year. Last April, you asked me the questions above. I take this opportunity to answer. I have only read one of the books by Emmanuel Velikovsky. It was quite some time ago but it did make an impression on me. " Worlds in collision" was the title, as I recall. As for the works of Charles Fort. I have been interested in fortean phenomena since 1968. His catalog of obscure articles from newspaper files in the libraries he frequented, is a contribution to students of occult phenomena that will never be repaid. Another group who did similar work in through the 1970s was Ivan Sanderson's Society for the investigation of the unexplained. (SITU.) Are you familiar with their work? Louis -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. --WebTV-Mail-909168805-10577-- -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Sun Jun 13 01:15:06 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id BAA00477 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 01:01:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f From: THEMAZEMAN@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 01:17:43 EDT Subject: Re: Theos-World: Is the list broken, have received same messages over and over?? To: theos-talk@theosophy.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 235 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com I read and deleted the same set of three or four messages about five or ten times each. I just now received another duplicate. Is there something wrong with the list? I just got back from the Ozark Theosophy Camp meeting, and am on my way to a Literacy Convention, and hate to think about my mail filling up while I'm gone. John -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. 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From owner-theos-talk Sun Jun 13 01:21:15 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id BAA00426 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 01:01:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990612192500.00974100@mail.eden.com> X-Sender: ramadoss@mail.eden.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 19:25:00 -0500 To: theos-talk@theosophy.com From: M K Ramadoss Subject: RE: Theos-World Mrs Blavatsky lied about journey in Tibet In-Reply-To: <000701beb529$19f31440$e16045c2@et.u-net.com> References: <19990612173850.87963.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com At 12:12 AM 6/13/1999 +0100, Peter Merriott wrote: >"When a pickpocket meets a Saint he sees only his pockets." (Eastern >proverb) This is the first time I see this statement. A wonderful one. mkr -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. 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From owner-theos-talk Sun Jun 13 01:24:04 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id BAA00441 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 01:01:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f From: Teos9@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 12:12:57 EDT Subject: Re: Theos-World HPB & New World Order To: theos-talk@theosophy.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com In a message dated 6/12/99 10:59:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Nick.Weeks@worldnet.att.net writes: << Success is not the point -- to me -- just to try. >> Good point Nicholas. Everyone should practice that in their own way. Louis -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Sun Jun 13 01:26:56 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id BAA00442 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 01:01:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f From: "W. Dallas TenBroeck" To: Subject: RE: Theos-World What happened here. Ask and ye shall receive ! Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 20:22:13 -0700 Message-ID: <000001beb54b$ee461ea0$af0e97cf@nwc.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com June 12th Dear Friend: The reason that I am interested in Fort, Velikovsky etc. is because they kept notes on odd things that happened or were witnessed and then never well explained. The evidence mounts that we all see things that our present scientific hypotheses don't cover well. When queried Scientists laugh and try to pass them along in various ways. So who is to take them seriously as matters for closer investigation ? We ought to be able to find a place where such information is available for ready reference and where it is either settled or remains an open question. Same for Crop circles, UFOs, and other anomalies. Problem is that by and large Science is focused on those things that it is familiar with or which dovetail into their established theories Do you know of any such Web-site ? Dal. ====================== -----Original Message----- From: owner-theos-talk@pippin.imagiware.com [mailto:owner-theos-talk@pippin.imagiware.com]On Behalf Of Teos9@aol.com Sent: Saturday, June 12, 1999 9:14 AM To: theos-talk@theosophy.com Subject: Re: Theos-World What happened here. Ask and ye shall receive ! In a message dated 4/29/99 5:02:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dalval@nwc.net writes: << Have you ever read any of the books of Emmanuel Velikovsky ? wrote between 1945 and 1952 4 books. What about Charles Fort ? Ever read any of his ? Best wishes, Dallas >> Dear Dallas, Please forgive the tardiness of this reply. I am in the tour business and travel quite a lot this time of the year. Last April, you asked me the questions above. I take this opportunity to answer. I have only read one of the books by Emmanuel Velikovsky. It was quite some time ago but it did make an impression on me. " Worlds in collision" was the title, as I recall. As for the works of Charles Fort. I have been interested in fortean phenomena since 1968. His catalog of obscure articles from newspaper files in the libraries he frequented, is a contribution to students of occult phenomena that will never be repaid. Another group who did similar work in through the 1970s was Ivan Sanderson's Society for the investigation of the unexplained. (SITU.) Are you familiar with their work? Louis -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. 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From owner-theos-talk Sun Jun 13 01:29:57 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id BAA00460 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 01:01:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-ID: <000501beb4f0$2f7fadc0$0c28480c@pavilion> From: "Nick Weeks" To: References: <19990612155915.56708.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: HPB & New World Order Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 09:25:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com > Nick Weeks----- > > I'll put link on my web page to Mr Steve Bonta's article on Mrs Blavatsky > http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/1999/03-01-99/newage.htm. > > Thank you for citation > > David David, Have you read the article? Do you post anything critical about any Theosophist, whether true or not? If yes, that seems an unscholarly, uncritical approach; not to mention unjust. His article is chock full of distortions and mistakes of fact. Nicholas -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. 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From owner-theos-talk Sun Jun 13 01:30:04 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id BAA00471 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 01:01:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f From: Teos9@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 12:13:53 EDT Subject: Re: Theos-World What happened here. Ask and ye shall receive ! To: theos-talk@theosophy.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com In a message dated 4/29/99 5:02:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dalval@nwc.net writes: << Have you ever read any of the books of Emmanuel Velikovsky ? wrote between 1945 and 1952 4 books. What about Charles Fort ? Ever read any of his ? Best wishes, Dallas >> Dear Dallas, Please forgive the tardiness of this reply. I am in the tour business and travel quite a lot this time of the year. Last April, you asked me the questions above. I take this opportunity to answer. I have only read one of the books by Emmanuel Velikovsky. It was quite some time ago but it did make an impression on me. " Worlds in collision" was the title, as I recall. As for the works of Charles Fort. I have been interested in fortean phenomena since 1968. His catalog of obscure articles from newspaper files in the libraries he frequented, is a contribution to students of occult phenomena that will never be repaid. Another group who did similar work in through the 1970s was Ivan Sanderson's Society for the investigation of the unexplained. (SITU.) Are you familiar with their work? Louis -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. 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From owner-theos-talk Sun Jun 13 01:32:49 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id BAA00487 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 01:01:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f From: "Peter Merriott" To: Subject: RE: Theos-World Mrs Blavatsky lied about journey in Tibet Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 00:12:54 +0100 Message-ID: <000701beb529$19f31440$e16045c2@et.u-net.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <19990612173850.87963.qmail@hotmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com David writes: >Who can believe anything this woman writes. After 30+ years of studying the works of HPB, and her Teachers I have found there to be an ever increasing level of realiability in all she writes, especially on the 'Secret Doctrine' and the Esoteric Tradition. Having taking the trouble to also study and compare Theosophy with those doctrines often referred to as the Perenial Philosophy which includes, among others, the Upanishads, Buddhism and the Mystical Traditions in general etc I have found there to be a depth and profundity to those teachings given out by HPB that is hard to surpass. The essential and core teachings given out by her will be found throughout the Perenial Philisophy and much light is thrown thereon by her works. The open minded seeker will find a number of independent corroborations as to the existence of her Teachers and their whereabouts at that time. A few of these will be found in "Damador" by Sven Eek. Yet 'events' and eye witness accounts will always be open to question by others and rarely, if ever, provide absolute proof of anything. Each one of us must be the 'assessor' of the truth we seek to uncover. And it is in our 'hearts' and through our lives that we need to seek, to ascertain and to 'test' the fundamental spiritual truths expressed in Theosophy and where ever else the Wisdom Religion may lie scattered like hidden pearls amongst the various spiritual traditions What one invariably discovers in exploring the life of HPB is that she gave *all* that she had to bring and explain these fundamental Teachings to the world at large. Whatever defects her physical body and personality may have suffered, and she appears to have willingly suffered a great deal in the carrying out of her task, behind that 'personage' stands a great and noble Soul that had the welfare of humanity at heart and worked unceasingly on its behalf. Such wisdom, greatness and generosity of spirit that were HPB's are an example for us all to aspire towards if we so choose. ...Peter "When a pickpocket meets a Saint he sees only his pockets." (Eastern proverb) -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. 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From owner-theos-talk Sun Jun 13 01:33:04 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id BAA00498 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 01:01:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAvBJmAI9a9CXwS6V03NfXMSvx/R8CFQCr9LOc6dD4DZAwEBP8OgGbHEdKWA== From: gfdrucker@webtv.net (Gerry Druckerman) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 22:33:08 -0700 (PDT) To: theos-talk@theosophy.com Subject: RE: Theos-World What happened here. Ask and ye shall receive ! Message-ID: <3466-37634294-18345@postoffice-151.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "W. Dallas TenBroeck" 's message of Sat, 12 Jun 1999 20:22:13 -0700 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-909168805-10577 Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com --WebTV-Mail-909168805-10577 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit About 5 or 6 0f the same letters are coming to a total of 45 and they are still coming. ???????? Gerry --WebTV-Mail-909168805-10577 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from mailsorter-101-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.97) by postoffice-153.iap.bryant.webtv.net; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 22:24:07 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from pippin.imagiware.com (pippin.imagiware.com [205.254.196.9]) by mailsorter-101-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.graham.14Aug97) with ESMTP id WAA10167; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 22:24:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id AAA29784 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 00:01:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f From: "W. Dallas TenBroeck" To: Subject: RE: Theos-World What happened here. Ask and ye shall receive ! Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 20:22:13 -0700 Message-ID: <000001beb54b$ee461ea0$af0e97cf@nwc.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-theos-talk@pippin.imagiware.com Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com June 12th Dear Friend: The reason that I am interested in Fort, Velikovsky etc. is because they kept notes on odd things that happened or were witnessed and then never well explained. The evidence mounts that we all see things that our present scientific hypotheses don't cover well. When queried Scientists laugh and try to pass them along in various ways. So who is to take them seriously as matters for closer investigation ? We ought to be able to find a place where such information is available for ready reference and where it is either settled or remains an open question. Same for Crop circles, UFOs, and other anomalies. Problem is that by and large Science is focused on those things that it is familiar with or which dovetail into their established theories Do you know of any such Web-site ? Dal. ====================== -----Original Message----- From: owner-theos-talk@pippin.imagiware.com [mailto:owner-theos-talk@pippin.imagiware.com]On Behalf Of Teos9@aol.com Sent: Saturday, June 12, 1999 9:14 AM To: theos-talk@theosophy.com Subject: Re: Theos-World What happened here. Ask and ye shall receive ! In a message dated 4/29/99 5:02:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dalval@nwc.net writes: << Have you ever read any of the books of Emmanuel Velikovsky ? wrote between 1945 and 1952 4 books. What about Charles Fort ? Ever read any of his ? Best wishes, Dallas >> Dear Dallas, Please forgive the tardiness of this reply. I am in the tour business and travel quite a lot this time of the year. Last April, you asked me the questions above. I take this opportunity to answer. I have only read one of the books by Emmanuel Velikovsky. It was quite some time ago but it did make an impression on me. " Worlds in collision" was the title, as I recall. As for the works of Charles Fort. I have been interested in fortean phenomena since 1968. His catalog of obscure articles from newspaper files in the libraries he frequented, is a contribution to students of occult phenomena that will never be repaid. Another group who did similar work in through the 1970s was Ivan Sanderson's Society for the investigation of the unexplained. (SITU.) Are you familiar with their work? Louis -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. 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From owner-theos-talk Sun Jun 13 01:35:28 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id BAA00497 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 01:01:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQJDAHXR6RSktDoJJ56YGQvQbBdLwIUDNl0DpNa1BcntL8/+aFSCHvBwHM= From: gfdrucker@webtv.net (Gerry Druckerman) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 22:24:03 -0700 (PDT) To: theos-talk@theosophy.com Subject: RE: Theos-World Mrs Blavatsky lied about journey in Tibet Message-ID: <3466-37634073-18313@postoffice-151.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "Peter Merriott" 's message of Sun, 13 Jun 1999 00:12:54 +0100 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-2103875738-10563 Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com --WebTV-Mail-2103875738-10563 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit I received 40 new messages tonight, all but yours were received earlier and were discarded. All including this message were repeated more than a half a dozen times. I don't understand whats going on. Gerry --WebTV-Mail-2103875738-10563 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from mailsorter-101-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.97) by postoffice-153.iap.bryant.webtv.net; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 21:30:29 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from pippin.imagiware.com (pippin.imagiware.com [205.254.196.9]) by mailsorter-101-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.graham.14Aug97) with ESMTP id VAA17196; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 21:30:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id XAA26065 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 23:01:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f From: "Peter Merriott" To: Subject: RE: Theos-World Mrs Blavatsky lied about journey in Tibet Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 00:12:54 +0100 Message-ID: <000701beb529$19f31440$e16045c2@et.u-net.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <19990612173850.87963.qmail@hotmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-theos-talk@pippin.imagiware.com Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com David writes: >Who can believe anything this woman writes. After 30+ years of studying the works of HPB, and her Teachers I have found there to be an ever increasing level of realiability in all she writes, especially on the 'Secret Doctrine' and the Esoteric Tradition. Having taking the trouble to also study and compare Theosophy with those doctrines often referred to as the Perenial Philosophy which includes, among others, the Upanishads, Buddhism and the Mystical Traditions in general etc I have found there to be a depth and profundity to those teachings given out by HPB that is hard to surpass. The essential and core teachings given out by her will be found throughout the Perenial Philisophy and much light is thrown thereon by her works. The open minded seeker will find a number of independent corroborations as to the existence of her Teachers and their whereabouts at that time. A few of these will be found in "Damador" by Sven Eek. Yet 'events' and eye witness accounts will always be open to question by others and rarely, if ever, provide absolute proof of anything. Each one of us must be the 'assessor' of the truth we seek to uncover. And it is in our 'hearts' and through our lives that we need to seek, to ascertain and to 'test' the fundamental spiritual truths expressed in Theosophy and where ever else the Wisdom Religion may lie scattered like hidden pearls amongst the various spiritual traditions What one invariably discovers in exploring the life of HPB is that she gave *all* that she had to bring and explain these fundamental Teachings to the world at large. Whatever defects her physical body and personality may have suffered, and she appears to have willingly suffered a great deal in the carrying out of her task, behind that 'personage' stands a great and noble Soul that had the welfare of humanity at heart and worked unceasingly on its behalf. Such wisdom, greatness and generosity of spirit that were HPB's are an example for us all to aspire towards if we so choose. ...Peter "When a pickpocket meets a Saint he sees only his pockets." (Eastern proverb) -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. 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From owner-theos-talk Sun Jun 13 02:15:04 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id CAA04089 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 02:01:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f From: THEMAZEMAN@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 01:17:43 EDT Subject: Re: Theos-World: Is the list broken, have received same messages over and over?? To: theos-talk@theosophy.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 235 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com I read and deleted the same set of three or four messages about five or ten times each. I just now received another duplicate. Is there something wrong with the list? I just got back from the Ozark Theosophy Camp meeting, and am on my way to a Literacy Convention, and hate to think about my mail filling up while I'm gone. John -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Sun Jun 13 02:19:08 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id CAA04069 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 02:01:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990612192500.00974100@mail.eden.com> X-Sender: ramadoss@mail.eden.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 19:25:00 -0500 To: theos-talk@theosophy.com From: M K Ramadoss Subject: RE: Theos-World Mrs Blavatsky lied about journey in Tibet In-Reply-To: <000701beb529$19f31440$e16045c2@et.u-net.com> References: <19990612173850.87963.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com At 12:12 AM 6/13/1999 +0100, Peter Merriott wrote: >"When a pickpocket meets a Saint he sees only his pockets." (Eastern >proverb) This is the first time I see this statement. A wonderful one. mkr -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. 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From owner-theos-talk Sun Jun 13 02:22:06 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id CAA04087 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 02:01:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f From: Teos9@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 12:12:57 EDT Subject: Re: Theos-World HPB & New World Order To: theos-talk@theosophy.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com In a message dated 6/12/99 10:59:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Nick.Weeks@worldnet.att.net writes: << Success is not the point -- to me -- just to try. >> Good point Nicholas. Everyone should practice that in their own way. Louis -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. 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To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. 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From owner-theos-talk Sun Jun 13 02:25:33 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id CAA04092 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 02:01:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f From: "W. Dallas TenBroeck" To: Subject: RE: Theos-World What happened here. Ask and ye shall receive ! Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 20:22:13 -0700 Message-ID: <000001beb54b$ee461ea0$af0e97cf@nwc.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com June 12th Dear Friend: The reason that I am interested in Fort, Velikovsky etc. is because they kept notes on odd things that happened or were witnessed and then never well explained. The evidence mounts that we all see things that our present scientific hypotheses don't cover well. When queried Scientists laugh and try to pass them along in various ways. So who is to take them seriously as matters for closer investigation ? We ought to be able to find a place where such information is available for ready reference and where it is either settled or remains an open question. Same for Crop circles, UFOs, and other anomalies. Problem is that by and large Science is focused on those things that it is familiar with or which dovetail into their established theories Do you know of any such Web-site ? Dal. ====================== -----Original Message----- From: owner-theos-talk@pippin.imagiware.com [mailto:owner-theos-talk@pippin.imagiware.com]On Behalf Of Teos9@aol.com Sent: Saturday, June 12, 1999 9:14 AM To: theos-talk@theosophy.com Subject: Re: Theos-World What happened here. Ask and ye shall receive ! In a message dated 4/29/99 5:02:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dalval@nwc.net writes: << Have you ever read any of the books of Emmanuel Velikovsky ? wrote between 1945 and 1952 4 books. What about Charles Fort ? Ever read any of his ? Best wishes, Dallas >> Dear Dallas, Please forgive the tardiness of this reply. I am in the tour business and travel quite a lot this time of the year. Last April, you asked me the questions above. I take this opportunity to answer. I have only read one of the books by Emmanuel Velikovsky. It was quite some time ago but it did make an impression on me. " Worlds in collision" was the title, as I recall. As for the works of Charles Fort. I have been interested in fortean phenomena since 1968. His catalog of obscure articles from newspaper files in the libraries he frequented, is a contribution to students of occult phenomena that will never be repaid. Another group who did similar work in through the 1970s was Ivan Sanderson's Society for the investigation of the unexplained. (SITU.) Are you familiar with their work? Louis -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Sun Jun 13 02:29:28 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id CAA04102 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 02:01:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-ID: <000501beb4f0$2f7fadc0$0c28480c@pavilion> From: "Nick Weeks" To: References: <19990612155915.56708.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: HPB & New World Order Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 09:25:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com > Nick Weeks----- > > I'll put link on my web page to Mr Steve Bonta's article on Mrs Blavatsky > http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/1999/03-01-99/newage.htm. > > Thank you for citation > > David David, Have you read the article? Do you post anything critical about any Theosophist, whether true or not? If yes, that seems an unscholarly, uncritical approach; not to mention unjust. His article is chock full of distortions and mistakes of fact. Nicholas -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. 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To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Sun Jun 13 02:30:04 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id CAA04109 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 02:01:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f From: Teos9@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 12:13:53 EDT Subject: Re: Theos-World What happened here. Ask and ye shall receive ! To: theos-talk@theosophy.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com In a message dated 4/29/99 5:02:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dalval@nwc.net writes: << Have you ever read any of the books of Emmanuel Velikovsky ? wrote between 1945 and 1952 4 books. What about Charles Fort ? Ever read any of his ? Best wishes, Dallas >> Dear Dallas, Please forgive the tardiness of this reply. I am in the tour business and travel quite a lot this time of the year. Last April, you asked me the questions above. I take this opportunity to answer. I have only read one of the books by Emmanuel Velikovsky. It was quite some time ago but it did make an impression on me. " Worlds in collision" was the title, as I recall. As for the works of Charles Fort. I have been interested in fortean phenomena since 1968. His catalog of obscure articles from newspaper files in the libraries he frequented, is a contribution to students of occult phenomena that will never be repaid. Another group who did similar work in through the 1970s was Ivan Sanderson's Society for the investigation of the unexplained. (SITU.) Are you familiar with their work? Louis -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Sun Jun 13 02:33:53 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id CAA04115 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 02:01:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f From: "Peter Merriott" To: Subject: RE: Theos-World Mrs Blavatsky lied about journey in Tibet Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 00:12:54 +0100 Message-ID: <000701beb529$19f31440$e16045c2@et.u-net.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <19990612173850.87963.qmail@hotmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com David writes: >Who can believe anything this woman writes. After 30+ years of studying the works of HPB, and her Teachers I have found there to be an ever increasing level of realiability in all she writes, especially on the 'Secret Doctrine' and the Esoteric Tradition. Having taking the trouble to also study and compare Theosophy with those doctrines often referred to as the Perenial Philosophy which includes, among others, the Upanishads, Buddhism and the Mystical Traditions in general etc I have found there to be a depth and profundity to those teachings given out by HPB that is hard to surpass. The essential and core teachings given out by her will be found throughout the Perenial Philisophy and much light is thrown thereon by her works. The open minded seeker will find a number of independent corroborations as to the existence of her Teachers and their whereabouts at that time. A few of these will be found in "Damador" by Sven Eek. Yet 'events' and eye witness accounts will always be open to question by others and rarely, if ever, provide absolute proof of anything. Each one of us must be the 'assessor' of the truth we seek to uncover. And it is in our 'hearts' and through our lives that we need to seek, to ascertain and to 'test' the fundamental spiritual truths expressed in Theosophy and where ever else the Wisdom Religion may lie scattered like hidden pearls amongst the various spiritual traditions What one invariably discovers in exploring the life of HPB is that she gave *all* that she had to bring and explain these fundamental Teachings to the world at large. Whatever defects her physical body and personality may have suffered, and she appears to have willingly suffered a great deal in the carrying out of her task, behind that 'personage' stands a great and noble Soul that had the welfare of humanity at heart and worked unceasingly on its behalf. Such wisdom, greatness and generosity of spirit that were HPB's are an example for us all to aspire towards if we so choose. ...Peter "When a pickpocket meets a Saint he sees only his pockets." (Eastern proverb) -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Sun Jun 13 02:36:28 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id CAA04135 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 02:01:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAvBJmAI9a9CXwS6V03NfXMSvx/R8CFQCr9LOc6dD4DZAwEBP8OgGbHEdKWA== From: gfdrucker@webtv.net (Gerry Druckerman) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 22:33:08 -0700 (PDT) To: theos-talk@theosophy.com Subject: RE: Theos-World What happened here. Ask and ye shall receive ! Message-ID: <3466-37634294-18345@postoffice-151.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "W. Dallas TenBroeck" 's message of Sat, 12 Jun 1999 20:22:13 -0700 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-909168805-10577 Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com --WebTV-Mail-909168805-10577 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit About 5 or 6 0f the same letters are coming to a total of 45 and they are still coming. ???????? Gerry --WebTV-Mail-909168805-10577 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from mailsorter-101-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.97) by postoffice-153.iap.bryant.webtv.net; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 22:24:07 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from pippin.imagiware.com (pippin.imagiware.com [205.254.196.9]) by mailsorter-101-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.graham.14Aug97) with ESMTP id WAA10167; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 22:24:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id AAA29784 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 00:01:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f From: "W. Dallas TenBroeck" To: Subject: RE: Theos-World What happened here. Ask and ye shall receive ! Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 20:22:13 -0700 Message-ID: <000001beb54b$ee461ea0$af0e97cf@nwc.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-theos-talk@pippin.imagiware.com Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com June 12th Dear Friend: The reason that I am interested in Fort, Velikovsky etc. is because they kept notes on odd things that happened or were witnessed and then never well explained. The evidence mounts that we all see things that our present scientific hypotheses don't cover well. When queried Scientists laugh and try to pass them along in various ways. So who is to take them seriously as matters for closer investigation ? We ought to be able to find a place where such information is available for ready reference and where it is either settled or remains an open question. Same for Crop circles, UFOs, and other anomalies. Problem is that by and large Science is focused on those things that it is familiar with or which dovetail into their established theories Do you know of any such Web-site ? Dal. ====================== -----Original Message----- From: owner-theos-talk@pippin.imagiware.com [mailto:owner-theos-talk@pippin.imagiware.com]On Behalf Of Teos9@aol.com Sent: Saturday, June 12, 1999 9:14 AM To: theos-talk@theosophy.com Subject: Re: Theos-World What happened here. Ask and ye shall receive ! In a message dated 4/29/99 5:02:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dalval@nwc.net writes: << Have you ever read any of the books of Emmanuel Velikovsky ? wrote between 1945 and 1952 4 books. What about Charles Fort ? Ever read any of his ? Best wishes, Dallas >> Dear Dallas, Please forgive the tardiness of this reply. I am in the tour business and travel quite a lot this time of the year. Last April, you asked me the questions above. I take this opportunity to answer. I have only read one of the books by Emmanuel Velikovsky. It was quite some time ago but it did make an impression on me. " Worlds in collision" was the title, as I recall. As for the works of Charles Fort. I have been interested in fortean phenomena since 1968. His catalog of obscure articles from newspaper files in the libraries he frequented, is a contribution to students of occult phenomena that will never be repaid. Another group who did similar work in through the 1970s was Ivan Sanderson's Society for the investigation of the unexplained. (SITU.) Are you familiar with their work? Louis -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. --WebTV-Mail-909168805-10577-- -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Sun Jun 13 02:36:40 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id CAA04131 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 02:01:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQJDAHXR6RSktDoJJ56YGQvQbBdLwIUDNl0DpNa1BcntL8/+aFSCHvBwHM= From: gfdrucker@webtv.net (Gerry Druckerman) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 22:24:03 -0700 (PDT) To: theos-talk@theosophy.com Subject: RE: Theos-World Mrs Blavatsky lied about journey in Tibet Message-ID: <3466-37634073-18313@postoffice-151.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "Peter Merriott" 's message of Sun, 13 Jun 1999 00:12:54 +0100 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-2103875738-10563 Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com --WebTV-Mail-2103875738-10563 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit I received 40 new messages tonight, all but yours were received earlier and were discarded. All including this message were repeated more than a half a dozen times. I don't understand whats going on. Gerry --WebTV-Mail-2103875738-10563 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from mailsorter-101-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.97) by postoffice-153.iap.bryant.webtv.net; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 21:30:29 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from pippin.imagiware.com (pippin.imagiware.com [205.254.196.9]) by mailsorter-101-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.graham.14Aug97) with ESMTP id VAA17196; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 21:30:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id XAA26065 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 23:01:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f From: "Peter Merriott" To: Subject: RE: Theos-World Mrs Blavatsky lied about journey in Tibet Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 00:12:54 +0100 Message-ID: <000701beb529$19f31440$e16045c2@et.u-net.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <19990612173850.87963.qmail@hotmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-theos-talk@pippin.imagiware.com Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com David writes: >Who can believe anything this woman writes. After 30+ years of studying the works of HPB, and her Teachers I have found there to be an ever increasing level of realiability in all she writes, especially on the 'Secret Doctrine' and the Esoteric Tradition. Having taking the trouble to also study and compare Theosophy with those doctrines often referred to as the Perenial Philosophy which includes, among others, the Upanishads, Buddhism and the Mystical Traditions in general etc I have found there to be a depth and profundity to those teachings given out by HPB that is hard to surpass. The essential and core teachings given out by her will be found throughout the Perenial Philisophy and much light is thrown thereon by her works. The open minded seeker will find a number of independent corroborations as to the existence of her Teachers and their whereabouts at that time. A few of these will be found in "Damador" by Sven Eek. Yet 'events' and eye witness accounts will always be open to question by others and rarely, if ever, provide absolute proof of anything. Each one of us must be the 'assessor' of the truth we seek to uncover. And it is in our 'hearts' and through our lives that we need to seek, to ascertain and to 'test' the fundamental spiritual truths expressed in Theosophy and where ever else the Wisdom Religion may lie scattered like hidden pearls amongst the various spiritual traditions What one invariably discovers in exploring the life of HPB is that she gave *all* that she had to bring and explain these fundamental Teachings to the world at large. Whatever defects her physical body and personality may have suffered, and she appears to have willingly suffered a great deal in the carrying out of her task, behind that 'personage' stands a great and noble Soul that had the welfare of humanity at heart and worked unceasingly on its behalf. Such wisdom, greatness and generosity of spirit that were HPB's are an example for us all to aspire towards if we so choose. ...Peter "When a pickpocket meets a Saint he sees only his pockets." (Eastern proverb) -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. --WebTV-Mail-2103875738-10563-- -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Sun Jun 13 09:01:24 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id IAA28424 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 08:59:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRxijUUSkDpLgT9Z8ub5vOMe6zxOAIUVYAeKrnaUxJ/shE7PL6O76JzJ/M= From: theo73@webtv.net (dorothy lord) Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 06:58:33 -0700 (PDT) To: theos-talk@theosophy.com Subject: Fwd: Re: Theos-World: Is the list broken, have received same messages over and over?? Message-ID: <8232-3763B909-5977@postoffice-171.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-861616991-3524 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com --WebTV-Mail-861616991-3524 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Same here. Same messages over and over --WebTV-Mail-861616991-3524 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from mailsorter-101-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.97) by postoffice-173.iap.bryant.webtv.net; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 22:30:34 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from pippin.imagiware.com (pippin.imagiware.com [205.254.196.9]) by mailsorter-101-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.graham.14Aug97) with ESMTP id WAA19630; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 22:30:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id AAA30520 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 00:19:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f From: THEMAZEMAN@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 01:17:43 EDT Subject: Re: Theos-World: Is the list broken, have received same messages over and over?? To: theos-talk@theosophy.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 235 Sender: owner-theos-talk@pippin.imagiware.com Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com I read and deleted the same set of three or four messages about five or ten times each. I just now received another duplicate. Is there something wrong with the list? I just got back from the Ozark Theosophy Camp meeting, and am on my way to a Literacy Convention, and hate to think about my mail filling up while I'm gone. John -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. --WebTV-Mail-861616991-3524-- -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Sun Jun 13 12:14:34 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id LAA06965 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 11:58:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-ID: <000601beb5be$10833300$8d8306d4@a0v2w5> From: "Frank Reitemeyer" To: References: <19990612173850.87963.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Theos-World Mrs Blavatsky lied about journey in Tibet Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 23:43:55 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com > I was shocked to find Mrs Blavatsky lied about trip to Tibet. Mr Gilbert's > study proves her unreliability. At first: For me it is Mr Gilbert who lies and not Mrs Blavatsky. > This week a theosophical writer has forwarded to me paper listing 98 lies by > Mrs Blavatsky!!!!! Who can believe anything this woman writes. I'm hoping > he'll publish article. I'm more convinced now of Dr Carlson's portrait of > Mrs Blavatsky. > > David Interesting to see, what kind of "historical researcher" you are in reality, David. That someone (who? when? where? - scientific standards is to name things...) wrote a list with 98 lies by Mrs Blavatsky, says next to nothing. Perhaps they are 98 truths... Stupid question ta all: How can I get sure that Mr David Green doesn't lies? Frank -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Sun Jun 13 12:29:34 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id MAA07170 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 12:02:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRxijUUSkDpLgT9Z8ub5vOMe6zxOAIUVYAeKrnaUxJ/shE7PL6O76JzJ/M= From: theo73@webtv.net (dorothy lord) Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 06:58:33 -0700 (PDT) To: theos-talk@theosophy.com Subject: Fwd: Re: Theos-World: Is the list broken, have received same messages over and over?? Message-ID: <8232-3763B909-5977@postoffice-171.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-861616991-3524 Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com --WebTV-Mail-861616991-3524 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Same here. Same messages over and over --WebTV-Mail-861616991-3524 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from mailsorter-101-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.97) by postoffice-173.iap.bryant.webtv.net; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 22:30:34 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from pippin.imagiware.com (pippin.imagiware.com [205.254.196.9]) by mailsorter-101-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.graham.14Aug97) with ESMTP id WAA19630; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 22:30:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id AAA30520 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 00:19:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f From: THEMAZEMAN@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 01:17:43 EDT Subject: Re: Theos-World: Is the list broken, have received same messages over and over?? To: theos-talk@theosophy.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 235 Sender: owner-theos-talk@pippin.imagiware.com Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com I read and deleted the same set of three or four messages about five or ten times each. I just now received another duplicate. Is there something wrong with the list? I just got back from the Ozark Theosophy Camp meeting, and am on my way to a Literacy Convention, and hate to think about my mail filling up while I'm gone. John -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. --WebTV-Mail-861616991-3524-- -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Sun Jun 13 12:58:13 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id MAA09471 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 12:36:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-ID: <19990613173527.78021.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [169.197.9.214] From: David Green To: theos-talk@theosophy.com Subject: Theos-World Re: Mrs Blavatsky lied about journey in Tibet Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 17:35:27 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com >From: "Frank Reitemeyer" >At first: For me it is Mr Gilbert who lies and not Mrs Blavatsky. What are Mr Gilbert's lies in his article on Mrs Blavatsky in Tibet? Details? David (aka LSOS) _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Sun Jun 13 13:28:13 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id NAA10818 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 13:01:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-ID: <000601beb5be$10833300$8d8306d4@a0v2w5> From: "Frank Reitemeyer" To: References: <19990612173850.87963.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Theos-World Mrs Blavatsky lied about journey in Tibet Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 23:43:55 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com > I was shocked to find Mrs Blavatsky lied about trip to Tibet. Mr Gilbert's > study proves her unreliability. At first: For me it is Mr Gilbert who lies and not Mrs Blavatsky. > This week a theosophical writer has forwarded to me paper listing 98 lies by > Mrs Blavatsky!!!!! Who can believe anything this woman writes. I'm hoping > he'll publish article. I'm more convinced now of Dr Carlson's portrait of > Mrs Blavatsky. > > David Interesting to see, what kind of "historical researcher" you are in reality, David. That someone (who? when? where? - scientific standards is to name things...) wrote a list with 98 lies by Mrs Blavatsky, says next to nothing. Perhaps they are 98 truths... Stupid question ta all: How can I get sure that Mr David Green doesn't lies? Frank -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Sun Jun 13 13:31:35 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id NAA10836 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 13:01:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRxijUUSkDpLgT9Z8ub5vOMe6zxOAIUVYAeKrnaUxJ/shE7PL6O76JzJ/M= From: theo73@webtv.net (dorothy lord) Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 06:58:33 -0700 (PDT) To: theos-talk@theosophy.com Subject: Fwd: Re: Theos-World: Is the list broken, have received same messages over and over?? Message-ID: <8232-3763B909-5977@postoffice-171.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-861616991-3524 Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com --WebTV-Mail-861616991-3524 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Same here. Same messages over and over --WebTV-Mail-861616991-3524 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from mailsorter-101-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.97) by postoffice-173.iap.bryant.webtv.net; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 22:30:34 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from pippin.imagiware.com (pippin.imagiware.com [205.254.196.9]) by mailsorter-101-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.graham.14Aug97) with ESMTP id WAA19630; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 22:30:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id AAA30520 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 00:19:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f From: THEMAZEMAN@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 01:17:43 EDT Subject: Re: Theos-World: Is the list broken, have received same messages over and over?? To: theos-talk@theosophy.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 235 Sender: owner-theos-talk@pippin.imagiware.com Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com I read and deleted the same set of three or four messages about five or ten times each. I just now received another duplicate. Is there something wrong with the list? I just got back from the Ozark Theosophy Camp meeting, and am on my way to a Literacy Convention, and hate to think about my mail filling up while I'm gone. John -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. --WebTV-Mail-861616991-3524-- -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Sun Jun 13 14:28:13 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id OAA14763 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 14:01:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-ID: <19990613173527.78021.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [169.197.9.214] From: David Green To: theos-talk@theosophy.com Subject: Theos-World Re: Mrs Blavatsky lied about journey in Tibet Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 17:35:27 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com >From: "Frank Reitemeyer" >At first: For me it is Mr Gilbert who lies and not Mrs Blavatsky. What are Mr Gilbert's lies in his article on Mrs Blavatsky in Tibet? Details? David (aka LSOS) _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Sun Jun 13 14:43:16 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id OAA14784 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 14:01:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-ID: <000601beb5be$10833300$8d8306d4@a0v2w5> From: "Frank Reitemeyer" To: References: <19990612173850.87963.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Theos-World Mrs Blavatsky lied about journey in Tibet Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 23:43:55 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com > I was shocked to find Mrs Blavatsky lied about trip to Tibet. Mr Gilbert's > study proves her unreliability. At first: For me it is Mr Gilbert who lies and not Mrs Blavatsky. > This week a theosophical writer has forwarded to me paper listing 98 lies by > Mrs Blavatsky!!!!! Who can believe anything this woman writes. I'm hoping > he'll publish article. I'm more convinced now of Dr Carlson's portrait of > Mrs Blavatsky. > > David Interesting to see, what kind of "historical researcher" you are in reality, David. That someone (who? when? where? - scientific standards is to name things...) wrote a list with 98 lies by Mrs Blavatsky, says next to nothing. Perhaps they are 98 truths... Stupid question ta all: How can I get sure that Mr David Green doesn't lies? Frank -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Sun Jun 13 14:44:54 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id OAA14778 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 14:01:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRxijUUSkDpLgT9Z8ub5vOMe6zxOAIUVYAeKrnaUxJ/shE7PL6O76JzJ/M= From: theo73@webtv.net (dorothy lord) Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 06:58:33 -0700 (PDT) To: theos-talk@theosophy.com Subject: Fwd: Re: Theos-World: Is the list broken, have received same messages over and over?? Message-ID: <8232-3763B909-5977@postoffice-171.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-861616991-3524 Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com --WebTV-Mail-861616991-3524 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Same here. Same messages over and over --WebTV-Mail-861616991-3524 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from mailsorter-101-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.97) by postoffice-173.iap.bryant.webtv.net; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 22:30:34 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from pippin.imagiware.com (pippin.imagiware.com [205.254.196.9]) by mailsorter-101-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.graham.14Aug97) with ESMTP id WAA19630; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 22:30:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id AAA30520 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 00:19:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f From: THEMAZEMAN@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 01:17:43 EDT Subject: Re: Theos-World: Is the list broken, have received same messages over and over?? To: theos-talk@theosophy.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 235 Sender: owner-theos-talk@pippin.imagiware.com Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com I read and deleted the same set of three or four messages about five or ten times each. I just now received another duplicate. Is there something wrong with the list? I just got back from the Ozark Theosophy Camp meeting, and am on my way to a Literacy Convention, and hate to think about my mail filling up while I'm gone. John -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. --WebTV-Mail-861616991-3524-- -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. 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From owner-theos-talk Sun Jun 13 15:28:16 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id PAA19828 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 15:01:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-ID: <19990613173527.78021.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [169.197.9.214] From: David Green To: theos-talk@theosophy.com Subject: Theos-World Re: Mrs Blavatsky lied about journey in Tibet Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 17:35:27 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com >From: "Frank Reitemeyer" >At first: For me it is Mr Gilbert who lies and not Mrs Blavatsky. What are Mr Gilbert's lies in his article on Mrs Blavatsky in Tibet? Details? David (aka LSOS) _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Sun Jun 13 15:43:14 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id PAA19847 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 15:01:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-ID: <000601beb5be$10833300$8d8306d4@a0v2w5> From: "Frank Reitemeyer" To: References: <19990612173850.87963.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Theos-World Mrs Blavatsky lied about journey in Tibet Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 23:43:55 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com > I was shocked to find Mrs Blavatsky lied about trip to Tibet. Mr Gilbert's > study proves her unreliability. At first: For me it is Mr Gilbert who lies and not Mrs Blavatsky. > This week a theosophical writer has forwarded to me paper listing 98 lies by > Mrs Blavatsky!!!!! Who can believe anything this woman writes. I'm hoping > he'll publish article. I'm more convinced now of Dr Carlson's portrait of > Mrs Blavatsky. > > David Interesting to see, what kind of "historical researcher" you are in reality, David. That someone (who? when? where? - scientific standards is to name things...) wrote a list with 98 lies by Mrs Blavatsky, says next to nothing. Perhaps they are 98 truths... Stupid question ta all: How can I get sure that Mr David Green doesn't lies? Frank -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. 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From owner-theos-talk Sun Jun 13 16:28:18 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id QAA24629 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 16:01:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-ID: <19990613173527.78021.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [169.197.9.214] From: David Green To: theos-talk@theosophy.com Subject: Theos-World Re: Mrs Blavatsky lied about journey in Tibet Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 17:35:27 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com >From: "Frank Reitemeyer" >At first: For me it is Mr Gilbert who lies and not Mrs Blavatsky. What are Mr Gilbert's lies in his article on Mrs Blavatsky in Tibet? Details? David (aka LSOS) _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. 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To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Sun Jun 13 16:38:52 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id QAA24621 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 16:01:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRxijUUSkDpLgT9Z8ub5vOMe6zxOAIUVYAeKrnaUxJ/shE7PL6O76JzJ/M= From: theo73@webtv.net (dorothy lord) Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 06:58:33 -0700 (PDT) To: theos-talk@theosophy.com Subject: Fwd: Re: Theos-World: Is the list broken, have received same messages over and over?? Message-ID: <8232-3763B909-5977@postoffice-171.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-861616991-3524 Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com --WebTV-Mail-861616991-3524 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Same here. Same messages over and over --WebTV-Mail-861616991-3524 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from mailsorter-101-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.97) by postoffice-173.iap.bryant.webtv.net; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 22:30:34 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from pippin.imagiware.com (pippin.imagiware.com [205.254.196.9]) by mailsorter-101-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.graham.14Aug97) with ESMTP id WAA19630; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 22:30:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id AAA30520 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 00:19:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f From: THEMAZEMAN@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 01:17:43 EDT Subject: Re: Theos-World: Is the list broken, have received same messages over and over?? To: theos-talk@theosophy.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 235 Sender: owner-theos-talk@pippin.imagiware.com Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com I read and deleted the same set of three or four messages about five or ten times each. I just now received another duplicate. Is there something wrong with the list? I just got back from the Ozark Theosophy Camp meeting, and am on my way to a Literacy Convention, and hate to think about my mail filling up while I'm gone. John -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. 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From owner-theos-talk Sun Jun 13 16:43:15 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id QAA25699 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 16:15:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-ID: <00a201beb5e1$ee401a00$328306d4@a0v2w5> From: "Frank Reitemeyer" To: References: <19990613173527.78021.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Mrs Blavatsky lied about journey in Tibet Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 23:13:42 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com > David (aka LSOS) LSOS: Does that mean: Lord, see our sins, or what??? Frank -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Sun Jun 13 16:58:15 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id QAA25698 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 16:15:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-ID: <00a101beb5e1$edb9d300$328306d4@a0v2w5> From: "Frank Reitemeyer" To: References: <19990613173527.78021.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Mrs Blavatsky lied about journey in Tibet Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 23:11:32 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com > >From: "Frank Reitemeyer" > > >At first: For me it is Mr Gilbert who lies and not Mrs Blavatsky. > > > What are Mr Gilbert's lies in his article on Mrs Blavatsky in Tibet? > Details? > > David (aka LSOS) YOU wrote, that Mr Gilbert proofed that Mrs Blavatsky lied about having been in Tibet. Before I answer your question you should explain your own claims. What are Mrs. Blavatsky's lies? Frank -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Sun Jun 13 17:13:14 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id QAA29171 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 16:55:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-ID: <19990613213452.82336.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [169.197.9.214] From: David Green To: theos-l@list.vnet.net Subject: Theos-World Re: Mrs Blavatsky lied about journey in Tibet Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 21:34:51 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com Grigor------ Thanks for reminder that Mr Gilbert's research is more than confirmed by Mr Paul Johnson's work. A re-reading of Mr Johnson's chapters on Tibet shows Mrs Blavatsky's Tibetan masters were myths & "covers" for persons actually residing in India. Conclusion----Mrs Blavatsky never had reason to go to Tibet. Where is "enormity of evidence" proving Mrs Blavatsky journeyed to Tibet & was trained by 2 mahatmas? Gilbert & Johnson couldn't find the evidence. David >From: Hazarapet@aol.com >Reply-To: "Theosophy Study List" >To: "Theosophy Study List" >Subject: Re: Mrs Blavatsky lied about journey in Tibet >Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 16:55:43 EDT > >In a message dated 6/13/99 12:25:49 PM Central Daylight Time, >davidgreen@hotmail.com writes: > > > Recently, I read Mr. David Green's post a bit more closely. I was >shocked > > >to > > >find that on the basis of one book he would actually conclude that >HPB, > > >despite an enormity of evidence to the contrary, actually never went >to > > >Tibet. > > >There is the book by R. Paul Johnson, titled The Masters Revealed: Madame >Blavatsky and the Myth of the Great White Lodge, SUNY Press, that is a >academic book having to pass through an blind academic review process >before >it is published, that works with a number of documents, including those of >HPB, to establish on reasonable grounds that: > >1. There were "mahatmas" with real historical identities and names which >this >book reveals and identifies for the first time (collating a number of >previously unavailable documents of Albert Rawson, Agardi Metrovitch, Jamal >ad-Din al-Afghani, Paulos Metamon, and Louis Bimstein aka Max Theon, etc., >etc., etc.,). So, Serapis Bey is shown to probably be the Coptic Christian >Paulos Metamon under whom Rawson and HPB studied together in the 1850s, >Koot >Hoomi was the cover-identity of Thakar Singh Sandhanwalia, Morya was the >cover-identity for Maharaja >Ranbir Singh of Kashmir. > >2. That by her own admission in letters, HPB inflated into mythical >proportions >the image of these "mahatmas" in order to give them political cover for a >variety of >reasons and instructed people who knew them or met them to "move the >geographical references from Kashmir and the Punjab to Tibet" (a Mahatma >Letter gave the same instruction). > >3. That HPB concealed her travels with fictional accounts of where she had >been, >and that while she did have Tibetan connections, she was never personally >in >Tibet. Rather, the times she claims to have been there, it was really >Sikkhim, Kashmir, or Darjeeling. > >This accords with the old Imperial Russian records that are now available >since the break-up of the old Soviet Socialist Union. It has led to >subsequent research by I believe Antoine Faivre, Professor of Esoteric >Studies, Sorbonne, that the Stanzas of Dyzan are a poor rendition of the >Central Asian (Kalmuck and Mongol) version of early Dzog chen texts found >also among the Bon po, including the Kun byed rgyal po'i mdo in its >essential >upadesa points (i.e. "stanzas" usually oral of a guru to direct disciple). > >I think this research will make HPB and her mahatmas much more interesting, >down to earth and concrete than the inflated fantasies of many of her >followers (or actually, the followers of Besant and the headbeater guy - >A.P. >Sinnett got thoroughly disgusted how Leadbeater jacked off every chance he >thought no one was around and Krishnamurti reported how Leadbeater wanted >group jack off sessions with him, his brother, and other boys.). Anyway, >back to topic, the above title makes HPB a much more interesting and >complex >person (a powerful woman who got into places where women usually were >forbidden), establishes with reasonable certainty that her quest was mixed >spiritual and political (as were the motives of her teachers and companions >- >in essence, anti-western imperialism and anti-Christian missionary >fundamentalism or anykind of fundamentalism, AND shows her involvements in >India home-rule BEFORE besant was even around)), and thus, that while there >were "mahatmas," they weren't the superbeings (even HPB admits it) >typically >believed in by theosophers but were glossed as such, in terms of identity >and >location, to protect them and HPB. HPB later regrets she created such an >inflated image of them because the members of the TS, especially Olcott >(she >complains), had gone totally delusional in their fantasies of them having >fantastic powers and ruling secretly as the secret government on earth >guiding all events etc. etc. in her April 1886 letter to Franz Hartmann >(Letters of HPB to Hartmann, 369-372). > >Time for some sobering up with a more realistic assessment of the greatness >of HPB and her accomplishments and her flaws and failures. > >Grigor Vahan Ananikian > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to theos-l as: davidgreen@hotmail.com >List URL - http://list.vnet.net/?enter=theos-l >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-theos-l-3412C@list.vnet.net > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. 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From owner-theos-talk Sun Jun 13 18:15:04 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id SAA02317 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 18:01:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-ID: <00a201beb5e1$ee401a00$328306d4@a0v2w5> From: "Frank Reitemeyer" To: References: <19990613173527.78021.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Mrs Blavatsky lied about journey in Tibet Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 23:13:42 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com > David (aka LSOS) LSOS: Does that mean: Lord, see our sins, or what??? Frank -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Sun Jun 13 18:18:48 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id SAA02358 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 18:01:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-ID: <00a101beb5e1$edb9d300$328306d4@a0v2w5> From: "Frank Reitemeyer" To: References: <19990613173527.78021.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Mrs Blavatsky lied about journey in Tibet Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 23:11:32 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com > >From: "Frank Reitemeyer" > > >At first: For me it is Mr Gilbert who lies and not Mrs Blavatsky. > > > What are Mr Gilbert's lies in his article on Mrs Blavatsky in Tibet? > Details? > > David (aka LSOS) YOU wrote, that Mr Gilbert proofed that Mrs Blavatsky lied about having been in Tibet. Before I answer your question you should explain your own claims. What are Mrs. Blavatsky's lies? Frank -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Sun Jun 13 18:22:57 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id SAA02316 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 18:01:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-ID: <19990613173527.78021.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [169.197.9.214] From: David Green To: theos-talk@theosophy.com Subject: Theos-World Re: Mrs Blavatsky lied about journey in Tibet Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 17:35:27 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com >From: "Frank Reitemeyer" >At first: For me it is Mr Gilbert who lies and not Mrs Blavatsky. What are Mr Gilbert's lies in his article on Mrs Blavatsky in Tibet? Details? David (aka LSOS) _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. 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From owner-theos-talk Sun Jun 13 18:25:53 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id SAA02382 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 18:01:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-ID: <000601beb5be$10833300$8d8306d4@a0v2w5> From: "Frank Reitemeyer" To: References: <19990612173850.87963.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Theos-World Mrs Blavatsky lied about journey in Tibet Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 23:43:55 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com > I was shocked to find Mrs Blavatsky lied about trip to Tibet. Mr Gilbert's > study proves her unreliability. At first: For me it is Mr Gilbert who lies and not Mrs Blavatsky. > This week a theosophical writer has forwarded to me paper listing 98 lies by > Mrs Blavatsky!!!!! Who can believe anything this woman writes. I'm hoping > he'll publish article. I'm more convinced now of Dr Carlson's portrait of > Mrs Blavatsky. > > David Interesting to see, what kind of "historical researcher" you are in reality, David. That someone (who? when? where? - scientific standards is to name things...) wrote a list with 98 lies by Mrs Blavatsky, says next to nothing. Perhaps they are 98 truths... Stupid question ta all: How can I get sure that Mr David Green doesn't lies? Frank -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Sun Jun 13 18:30:04 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id SAA02327 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 18:01:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRxijUUSkDpLgT9Z8ub5vOMe6zxOAIUVYAeKrnaUxJ/shE7PL6O76JzJ/M= From: theo73@webtv.net (dorothy lord) Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 06:58:33 -0700 (PDT) To: theos-talk@theosophy.com Subject: Fwd: Re: Theos-World: Is the list broken, have received same messages over and over?? Message-ID: <8232-3763B909-5977@postoffice-171.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-861616991-3524 Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com --WebTV-Mail-861616991-3524 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Same here. Same messages over and over --WebTV-Mail-861616991-3524 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from mailsorter-101-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.97) by postoffice-173.iap.bryant.webtv.net; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 22:30:34 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from pippin.imagiware.com (pippin.imagiware.com [205.254.196.9]) by mailsorter-101-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.graham.14Aug97) with ESMTP id WAA19630; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 22:30:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id AAA30520 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 00:19:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f From: THEMAZEMAN@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 01:17:43 EDT Subject: Re: Theos-World: Is the list broken, have received same messages over and over?? To: theos-talk@theosophy.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 235 Sender: owner-theos-talk@pippin.imagiware.com Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com I read and deleted the same set of three or four messages about five or ten times each. I just now received another duplicate. Is there something wrong with the list? I just got back from the Ozark Theosophy Camp meeting, and am on my way to a Literacy Convention, and hate to think about my mail filling up while I'm gone. John -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. --WebTV-Mail-861616991-3524-- -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Sun Jun 13 18:45:04 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id SAA06091 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 18:43:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-Id: <4.1.19990613163929.00954dd0@theosophy.com> X-Sender: eldon@theosophy.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 16:42:09 -0700 To: theos-talk@theosophy.com From: Eldon B Tucker Subject: Theos-World test message Cc: support@imagiware.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com There should be only one copy of this test message going out on the list. (Although there have been five or six copies of the messages posted to the list going out to everyone.) I've sent email to the people who support the website and mailing list, and haven't heard back from them yet. When I heard from them and know that the problem is fixed, I'll post a note to the list telling how it happened, if it's possible to find out. -- Eldon Tucker -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Sun Jun 13 19:15:04 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id TAA07388 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 19:01:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-Id: <4.1.19990613163929.00954dd0@theosophy.com> X-Sender: eldon@theosophy.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 16:42:09 -0700 To: theos-talk@theosophy.com From: Eldon B Tucker Subject: Theos-World test message Cc: support@imagiware.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com There should be only one copy of this test message going out on the list. (Although there have been five or six copies of the messages posted to the list going out to everyone.) I've sent email to the people who support the website and mailing list, and haven't heard back from them yet. When I heard from them and know that the problem is fixed, I'll post a note to the list telling how it happened, if it's possible to find out. -- Eldon Tucker -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Sun Jun 13 19:15:06 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id TAA07425 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 19:01:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-ID: <00a201beb5e1$ee401a00$328306d4@a0v2w5> From: "Frank Reitemeyer" To: References: <19990613173527.78021.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Mrs Blavatsky lied about journey in Tibet Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 23:13:42 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com > David (aka LSOS) LSOS: Does that mean: Lord, see our sins, or what??? Frank -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Sun Jun 13 19:18:01 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id TAA07375 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 19:01:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-ID: <00a101beb5e1$edb9d300$328306d4@a0v2w5> From: "Frank Reitemeyer" To: References: <19990613173527.78021.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Mrs Blavatsky lied about journey in Tibet Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 23:11:32 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com > >From: "Frank Reitemeyer" > > >At first: For me it is Mr Gilbert who lies and not Mrs Blavatsky. > > > What are Mr Gilbert's lies in his article on Mrs Blavatsky in Tibet? > Details? > > David (aka LSOS) YOU wrote, that Mr Gilbert proofed that Mrs Blavatsky lied about having been in Tibet. Before I answer your question you should explain your own claims. What are Mrs. Blavatsky's lies? Frank -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Sun Jun 13 19:18:03 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id TAA07411 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 19:01:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-ID: <19990613173527.78021.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [169.197.9.214] From: David Green To: theos-talk@theosophy.com Subject: Theos-World Re: Mrs Blavatsky lied about journey in Tibet Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 17:35:27 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com >From: "Frank Reitemeyer" >At first: For me it is Mr Gilbert who lies and not Mrs Blavatsky. What are Mr Gilbert's lies in his article on Mrs Blavatsky in Tibet? Details? David (aka LSOS) _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Sun Jun 13 19:20:46 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id TAA07378 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 19:01:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-ID: <000601beb5be$10833300$8d8306d4@a0v2w5> From: "Frank Reitemeyer" To: References: <19990612173850.87963.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Theos-World Mrs Blavatsky lied about journey in Tibet Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 23:43:55 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com > I was shocked to find Mrs Blavatsky lied about trip to Tibet. Mr Gilbert's > study proves her unreliability. At first: For me it is Mr Gilbert who lies and not Mrs Blavatsky. > This week a theosophical writer has forwarded to me paper listing 98 lies by > Mrs Blavatsky!!!!! Who can believe anything this woman writes. I'm hoping > he'll publish article. I'm more convinced now of Dr Carlson's portrait of > Mrs Blavatsky. > > David Interesting to see, what kind of "historical researcher" you are in reality, David. That someone (who? when? where? - scientific standards is to name things...) wrote a list with 98 lies by Mrs Blavatsky, says next to nothing. Perhaps they are 98 truths... Stupid question ta all: How can I get sure that Mr David Green doesn't lies? Frank -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Sun Jun 13 19:20:53 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id TAA07398 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 19:01:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRxijUUSkDpLgT9Z8ub5vOMe6zxOAIUVYAeKrnaUxJ/shE7PL6O76JzJ/M= From: theo73@webtv.net (dorothy lord) Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 06:58:33 -0700 (PDT) To: theos-talk@theosophy.com Subject: Fwd: Re: Theos-World: Is the list broken, have received same messages over and over?? Message-ID: <8232-3763B909-5977@postoffice-171.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-861616991-3524 Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com --WebTV-Mail-861616991-3524 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Same here. Same messages over and over --WebTV-Mail-861616991-3524 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from mailsorter-101-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.97) by postoffice-173.iap.bryant.webtv.net; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 22:30:34 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from pippin.imagiware.com (pippin.imagiware.com [205.254.196.9]) by mailsorter-101-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.graham.14Aug97) with ESMTP id WAA19630; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 22:30:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id AAA30520 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 00:19:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f From: THEMAZEMAN@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 01:17:43 EDT Subject: Re: Theos-World: Is the list broken, have received same messages over and over?? To: theos-talk@theosophy.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 235 Sender: owner-theos-talk@pippin.imagiware.com Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com I read and deleted the same set of three or four messages about five or ten times each. I just now received another duplicate. Is there something wrong with the list? I just got back from the Ozark Theosophy Camp meeting, and am on my way to a Literacy Convention, and hate to think about my mail filling up while I'm gone. John -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. --WebTV-Mail-861616991-3524-- -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. 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From owner-theos-talk Sun Jun 13 20:15:07 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id UAA12777 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 20:01:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-Id: <4.1.19990613163929.00954dd0@theosophy.com> X-Sender: eldon@theosophy.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 16:42:09 -0700 To: theos-talk@theosophy.com From: Eldon B Tucker Subject: Theos-World test message Cc: support@imagiware.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com There should be only one copy of this test message going out on the list. (Although there have been five or six copies of the messages posted to the list going out to everyone.) I've sent email to the people who support the website and mailing list, and haven't heard back from them yet. When I heard from them and know that the problem is fixed, I'll post a note to the list telling how it happened, if it's possible to find out. -- Eldon Tucker -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Sun Jun 13 20:18:14 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id UAA12771 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 20:01:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-ID: <00a201beb5e1$ee401a00$328306d4@a0v2w5> From: "Frank Reitemeyer" To: References: <19990613173527.78021.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Mrs Blavatsky lied about journey in Tibet Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 23:13:42 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com > David (aka LSOS) LSOS: Does that mean: Lord, see our sins, or what??? Frank -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. 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From owner-theos-talk Sun Jun 13 20:22:23 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id UAA12797 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 20:01:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-ID: <00a101beb5e1$edb9d300$328306d4@a0v2w5> From: "Frank Reitemeyer" To: References: <19990613173527.78021.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Mrs Blavatsky lied about journey in Tibet Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 23:11:32 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com > >From: "Frank Reitemeyer" > > >At first: For me it is Mr Gilbert who lies and not Mrs Blavatsky. > > > What are Mr Gilbert's lies in his article on Mrs Blavatsky in Tibet? > Details? > > David (aka LSOS) YOU wrote, that Mr Gilbert proofed that Mrs Blavatsky lied about having been in Tibet. Before I answer your question you should explain your own claims. What are Mrs. Blavatsky's lies? Frank -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. 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From owner-theos-talk Sun Jun 13 20:27:28 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id UAA12799 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 20:01:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-ID: <19990613173527.78021.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [169.197.9.214] From: David Green To: theos-talk@theosophy.com Subject: Theos-World Re: Mrs Blavatsky lied about journey in Tibet Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 17:35:27 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com >From: "Frank Reitemeyer" >At first: For me it is Mr Gilbert who lies and not Mrs Blavatsky. What are Mr Gilbert's lies in his article on Mrs Blavatsky in Tibet? Details? David (aka LSOS) _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Sun Jun 13 20:30:06 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id UAA12820 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 20:01:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-ID: <000601beb5be$10833300$8d8306d4@a0v2w5> From: "Frank Reitemeyer" To: References: <19990612173850.87963.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Theos-World Mrs Blavatsky lied about journey in Tibet Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 23:43:55 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com > I was shocked to find Mrs Blavatsky lied about trip to Tibet. Mr Gilbert's > study proves her unreliability. At first: For me it is Mr Gilbert who lies and not Mrs Blavatsky. > This week a theosophical writer has forwarded to me paper listing 98 lies by > Mrs Blavatsky!!!!! Who can believe anything this woman writes. I'm hoping > he'll publish article. I'm more convinced now of Dr Carlson's portrait of > Mrs Blavatsky. > > David Interesting to see, what kind of "historical researcher" you are in reality, David. That someone (who? when? where? - scientific standards is to name things...) wrote a list with 98 lies by Mrs Blavatsky, says next to nothing. Perhaps they are 98 truths... Stupid question ta all: How can I get sure that Mr David Green doesn't lies? Frank -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. 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From owner-theos-talk Sun Jun 13 20:31:12 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id UAA12814 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 20:01:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRxijUUSkDpLgT9Z8ub5vOMe6zxOAIUVYAeKrnaUxJ/shE7PL6O76JzJ/M= From: theo73@webtv.net (dorothy lord) Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 06:58:33 -0700 (PDT) To: theos-talk@theosophy.com Subject: Fwd: Re: Theos-World: Is the list broken, have received same messages over and over?? Message-ID: <8232-3763B909-5977@postoffice-171.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-861616991-3524 Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com --WebTV-Mail-861616991-3524 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Same here. Same messages over and over --WebTV-Mail-861616991-3524 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from mailsorter-101-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.97) by postoffice-173.iap.bryant.webtv.net; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 22:30:34 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from pippin.imagiware.com (pippin.imagiware.com [205.254.196.9]) by mailsorter-101-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.graham.14Aug97) with ESMTP id WAA19630; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 22:30:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id AAA30520 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 00:19:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f From: THEMAZEMAN@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 01:17:43 EDT Subject: Re: Theos-World: Is the list broken, have received same messages over and over?? To: theos-talk@theosophy.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 235 Sender: owner-theos-talk@pippin.imagiware.com Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com I read and deleted the same set of three or four messages about five or ten times each. I just now received another duplicate. Is there something wrong with the list? I just got back from the Ozark Theosophy Camp meeting, and am on my way to a Literacy Convention, and hate to think about my mail filling up while I'm gone. John -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. 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From owner-theos-talk Sun Jun 13 21:15:07 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id VAA18469 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 21:01:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-Id: <4.1.19990613163929.00954dd0@theosophy.com> X-Sender: eldon@theosophy.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 16:42:09 -0700 To: theos-talk@theosophy.com From: Eldon B Tucker Subject: Theos-World test message Cc: support@imagiware.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com There should be only one copy of this test message going out on the list. (Although there have been five or six copies of the messages posted to the list going out to everyone.) I've sent email to the people who support the website and mailing list, and haven't heard back from them yet. When I heard from them and know that the problem is fixed, I'll post a note to the list telling how it happened, if it's possible to find out. -- Eldon Tucker -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. 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From owner-theos-talk Sun Jun 13 21:20:08 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id VAA18476 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 21:01:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-ID: <00a201beb5e1$ee401a00$328306d4@a0v2w5> From: "Frank Reitemeyer" To: References: <19990613173527.78021.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Mrs Blavatsky lied about journey in Tibet Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 23:13:42 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com > David (aka LSOS) LSOS: Does that mean: Lord, see our sins, or what??? Frank -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. 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From owner-theos-talk Sun Jun 13 21:30:07 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id VAA18496 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 21:01:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-ID: <00a101beb5e1$edb9d300$328306d4@a0v2w5> From: "Frank Reitemeyer" To: References: <19990613173527.78021.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Mrs Blavatsky lied about journey in Tibet Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 23:11:32 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com > >From: "Frank Reitemeyer" > > >At first: For me it is Mr Gilbert who lies and not Mrs Blavatsky. > > > What are Mr Gilbert's lies in his article on Mrs Blavatsky in Tibet? > Details? > > David (aka LSOS) YOU wrote, that Mr Gilbert proofed that Mrs Blavatsky lied about having been in Tibet. Before I answer your question you should explain your own claims. What are Mrs. Blavatsky's lies? Frank -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Sun Jun 13 21:45:06 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id VAA18498 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 21:01:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-ID: <19990613173527.78021.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [169.197.9.214] From: David Green To: theos-talk@theosophy.com Subject: Theos-World Re: Mrs Blavatsky lied about journey in Tibet Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 17:35:27 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com >From: "Frank Reitemeyer" >At first: For me it is Mr Gilbert who lies and not Mrs Blavatsky. What are Mr Gilbert's lies in his article on Mrs Blavatsky in Tibet? Details? David (aka LSOS) _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. 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From owner-theos-talk Sun Jun 13 22:00:06 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id VAA18520 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 21:01:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-ID: <000601beb5be$10833300$8d8306d4@a0v2w5> From: "Frank Reitemeyer" To: References: <19990612173850.87963.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Theos-World Mrs Blavatsky lied about journey in Tibet Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 23:43:55 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com > I was shocked to find Mrs Blavatsky lied about trip to Tibet. Mr Gilbert's > study proves her unreliability. At first: For me it is Mr Gilbert who lies and not Mrs Blavatsky. > This week a theosophical writer has forwarded to me paper listing 98 lies by > Mrs Blavatsky!!!!! Who can believe anything this woman writes. I'm hoping > he'll publish article. I'm more convinced now of Dr Carlson's portrait of > Mrs Blavatsky. > > David Interesting to see, what kind of "historical researcher" you are in reality, David. That someone (who? when? where? - scientific standards is to name things...) wrote a list with 98 lies by Mrs Blavatsky, says next to nothing. Perhaps they are 98 truths... Stupid question ta all: How can I get sure that Mr David Green doesn't lies? Frank -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. 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From owner-theos-talk Sun Jun 13 22:15:06 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id WAA24050 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 22:01:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-Id: <4.1.19990613163929.00954dd0@theosophy.com> X-Sender: eldon@theosophy.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 16:42:09 -0700 To: theos-talk@theosophy.com From: Eldon B Tucker Subject: Theos-World test message Cc: support@imagiware.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com There should be only one copy of this test message going out on the list. (Although there have been five or six copies of the messages posted to the list going out to everyone.) I've sent email to the people who support the website and mailing list, and haven't heard back from them yet. When I heard from them and know that the problem is fixed, I'll post a note to the list telling how it happened, if it's possible to find out. -- Eldon Tucker -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. 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From owner-theos-talk Sun Jun 13 22:30:09 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id VAA18513 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 21:01:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRxijUUSkDpLgT9Z8ub5vOMe6zxOAIUVYAeKrnaUxJ/shE7PL6O76JzJ/M= From: theo73@webtv.net (dorothy lord) Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 06:58:33 -0700 (PDT) To: theos-talk@theosophy.com Subject: Fwd: Re: Theos-World: Is the list broken, have received same messages over and over?? Message-ID: <8232-3763B909-5977@postoffice-171.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-861616991-3524 Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com --WebTV-Mail-861616991-3524 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Same here. Same messages over and over --WebTV-Mail-861616991-3524 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from mailsorter-101-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.97) by postoffice-173.iap.bryant.webtv.net; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 22:30:34 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from pippin.imagiware.com (pippin.imagiware.com [205.254.196.9]) by mailsorter-101-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.graham.14Aug97) with ESMTP id WAA19630; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 22:30:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id AAA30520 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 00:19:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f From: THEMAZEMAN@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 01:17:43 EDT Subject: Re: Theos-World: Is the list broken, have received same messages over and over?? To: theos-talk@theosophy.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 235 Sender: owner-theos-talk@pippin.imagiware.com Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com I read and deleted the same set of three or four messages about five or ten times each. I just now received another duplicate. Is there something wrong with the list? I just got back from the Ozark Theosophy Camp meeting, and am on my way to a Literacy Convention, and hate to think about my mail filling up while I'm gone. John -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. 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From owner-theos-talk Mon Jun 14 01:15:10 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id BAA04431 for theos-talk-outgoing; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 01:01:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-Id: <4.1.19990613163929.00954dd0@theosophy.com> X-Sender: eldon@theosophy.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 16:42:09 -0700 To: theos-talk@theosophy.com From: Eldon B Tucker Subject: Theos-World test message Cc: support@imagiware.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com There should be only one copy of this test message going out on the list. (Although there have been five or six copies of the messages posted to the list going out to everyone.) I've sent email to the people who support the website and mailing list, and haven't heard back from them yet. When I heard from them and know that the problem is fixed, I'll post a note to the list telling how it happened, if it's possible to find out. -- Eldon Tucker -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. 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From owner-theos-talk Mon Jun 14 08:45:04 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id IAA11764 for theos-talk-outgoing; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 08:44:28 -0500 Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 08:44:28 -0500 Message-Id: <199906141344.IAA11764@pippin.imagiware.com> X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f From: eldon@theosophy.com To: theos-talk@theosophy.com Subject: Theos-World status of the mailing list Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com Since messages to the list were getting reposted continuously, and the source of the problem hadn't been identified, I temporarily unsubscribed everyone from theos-talk and theos-talk-digest. Now that the problem has been identified and hopefully fixed, I'm resubscribing everyone. For security reasons, I won't post what caused the problem. But if anyone wants to know what happened, they can write me privately. If there was anything that you've posted in the past 1/2 day or so, and you didn't see it go out, please repost it ... -- Eldon Tucker -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Mon Jun 14 09:30:04 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id JAA15585 for theos-talk-outgoing; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 09:16:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-Id: <199906141415.RAA25364@laatikko.saunalahti.fi> From: "mika perala" To: theos-talk@theosophy.com Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 16:44:15 +0000 Subject: Theos-World Sober time Priority: normal In-reply-to: <199906140015.TAA08389@pippin.imagiware.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v3.01d) Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com Grigor wrote: > > > >Time for some sobering up with a more realistic assessment of the > >greatness of HPB and her accomplishments and her flaws and failures. > > Couldn`t agree more!!! mika perala Finland -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Mon Jun 14 09:37:38 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id JAA16149 for theos-talk-outgoing; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 09:21:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-ID: <000501beb671$5fa59780$4dcb480c@pavilion> From: "Nick Weeks" To: References: <199906141344.IAA11764@pippin.imagiware.com> Subject: Re: Theos-World status of the mailing list Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 07:22:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com Ok Eldon, I'll bite. What was the source of the problem? Nicholas ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, June 14, 1999 6:44 AM Subject: Theos-World status of the mailing list > Since messages to the list were getting reposted > continuously, and the source of the problem hadn't > been identified, I temporarily unsubscribed > everyone from theos-talk and theos-talk-digest. > > Now that the problem has been identified and > hopefully fixed, I'm resubscribing everyone. > > For security reasons, I won't post what > caused the problem. But if anyone wants to > know what happened, they can write me privately. > > If there was anything that you've posted in the > past 1/2 day or so, and you didn't see it go > out, please repost it ... > > -- Eldon Tucker > > > -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com > > Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and > teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of > "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. > -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Mon Jun 14 10:50:13 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id KAA24923 for theos-talk-outgoing; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 10:39:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-ID: <19990614153729.90090.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [169.197.9.214] From: David Green To: theos-talk@theosophy.com Subject: Theos-World Re: Mrs Blavatsky lied about journey in Tibet Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 15:37:28 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com >YOU wrote, that Mr Gilbert proofed that Mrs Blavatsky lied about having >been >in Tibet. Before I answer your question you should explain your own claims. >What are Mrs. Blavatsky's lies? >Frank Frank----- Go to Mr Gilbert's article http://www.nellie2.demon.co.uk/DIRECTORY/R.A.GILBERT/tibet1.txt He proved Mrs Blavatsky lied. Read Mr Johnson's Masters Revealed for evidence Mrs Blavatsky's Mahatmas in Tibet didn't exist. David David Green's Critical History Page on Theosophy http://members.tripod.com/davidgreen_2/index.html _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Mon Jun 14 14:01:29 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id NAA12977 for theos-talk-outgoing; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 13:15:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-ID: <001a01beb691$df9eec00$f78306d4@a0v2w5> From: "Frank Reitemeyer" To: References: <19990614153729.90090.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Mrs Blavatsky lied about journey in Tibet Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 19:43:13 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com > Frank----- > Go to Mr Gilbert's article > http://www.nellie2.demon.co.uk/DIRECTORY/R.A.GILBERT/tibet1.txt > He proved Mrs Blavatsky lied. Read Mr Johnson's Masters Revealed for > evidence Mrs Blavatsky's Mahatmas in Tibet didn't exist. > > David Rumours, slanders and assertions are NOT proofs. And Mr. Johnson's book is poppycock with next to nothing facts. Frank -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Mon Jun 14 14:39:22 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id OAA22560 for theos-talk-outgoing; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 14:17:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f From: "W. Dallas TenBroeck" To: Subject: RE: Theos-World status of the mailing list Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 12:11:41 -0700 Message-ID: <000201beb699$bc11fea0$660e75ce@nwc.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <199906141344.IAA11764@pippin.imagiware.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com June 14th Thanks Eldon. What a mess. Did someone send in an ECHO as a "virus" ? Only curious -- not important. Dal   -----Original Message----- From: owner-theos-talk@pippin.imagiware.com [mailto:owner-theos-talk@pippin.imagiware.com]On Behalf Of eldon@theosophy.com Sent: Monday, June 14, 1999 6:44 AM To: theos-talk@theosophy.com Subject: Theos-World status of the mailing list Since messages to the list were getting reposted continuously, and the source of the problem hadn't been identified, I temporarily unsubscribed everyone from theos-talk and theos-talk-digest. Now that the problem has been identified and hopefully fixed, I'm resubscribing everyone. For security reasons, I won't post what caused the problem. But if anyone wants to know what happened, they can write me privately. If there was anything that you've posted in the past 1/2 day or so, and you didn't see it go out, please repost it ... -- Eldon Tucker -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Mon Jun 14 15:07:14 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id OAA24992 for theos-talk-outgoing; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 14:33:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f From: THEMAZEMAN@aol.com Message-ID: <39718eb4.2496b27f@aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 15:31:11 EDT Subject: Theos-World List of 98 statements To: theos-talk@theosophy.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 235 Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com << That someone (who? when? where? - scientific standards is to name things...) wrote a list with 98 >> There are always different points of view. Almost 500 years ago, Martin Luther posted a list of 97 things he didn't like about the Catholic Church. I'm sure that many people called him a liar back then, and probably did so for the full 500 years. One of those "lies" was his objection to the fact that the catholic church was telling people that good deeds and special dispensations could help get you into heaven. But eventually, the same people that call someone a liar might begin to see truth there. Last week, a statement was issued by the Catholic Church that this fall, on the anniversary of the date that Martin Luther posted those "97 theses" on the cathedral door at (Wittenberg?), that a joint agreement will be released by the Catholic and Lutheran churches that it is only by the Grace of God that a person gets into heaven. Good deeds, without God's grace, are not enough. One person is reading statements on one level, another person is reading them on another level. Perhaps one person can see truth because his background gives him clearer vision in those statements. I'm sure that if I wanted to say that I was in a certain town on a certain date twenty years ago, that there would be people who could prove that I wasn't there, even if I was there. I could tell you that I met Miss America a few years ago. I'm equally sure that she doesn't remember it, even though we talked for five minutes (we were both at a Literacy Conference). Does the fact that she can't remember meeting me prove that I didn't meet her. Fine Print: I haven't seen the statements that are being alluded to. I'm just giving statements that I felt moved to make. John P.S. I hope, by now, that this only goes to the list once. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Mon Jun 14 15:48:18 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id PAA30723 for theos-talk-outgoing; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 15:23:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f From: Richtay@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 16:20:08 EDT Subject: Re: Re: Theos-World Re: Mrs Blavatsky lied about journey in Tibet To: theos-talk@theosophy.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.1 for Mac sub 74 Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com I believe than Daniel Caldwell, in his manuscript "K. Paul Johnson's House of Cards?" has responded more than adequately to every major assertion that Johnson makes in his books. I don't believe the topic can be adequately discussed without reference to *both* sides of the evidence, and citing Johnson alone is a gross error in scholarship, even by academic standards, let alone Theosophical ones. But, as Blavatsky herself quoted, "Error runs downhill." Rich -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Mon Jun 14 16:18:07 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id PAA02014 for theos-talk-outgoing; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 15:52:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f From: LeonMaurer@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 16:50:03 EDT Subject: Fwd: Re: Theos-World Re: Mrs Blavatsky lied about journey in Tibet To: theos-talk@theosophy.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_d892fdf0.2496c4fb_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.1 for Mac sub 84 Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com --part1_d892fdf0.2496c4fb_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent in case original lost in transit. --part1_d892fdf0.2496c4fb_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: LeonMaurer@aol.com From: LeonMaurer@aol.com Full-name: LeonMaurer Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 05:14:37 EDT Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Mrs Blavatsky lied about journey in Tibet To: theos-talk@theosophy.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 In a message dated 6/13/99 10:12:31 PM, davidgreen@hotmail.com writes: >Grigor------ > >Thanks for reminder that Mr Gilbert's research is more than confirmed by Mr >Paul Johnson's work. A re-reading of Mr Johnson's chapters on Tibet shows >Mrs Blavatsky's Tibetan masters were myths & "covers" for persons actually >residing in India. Conclusion----Mrs Blavatsky never had reason to go >to Tibet. Where is "enormity of evidence" proving Mrs Blavatsky journeyed >to Tibet & was trained by 2 mahatmas? Gilbert & Johnson couldn't find the >evidence. > >David Total baloney... Based on pure ignorance of esoteric science and philosophy, as well as Tibet. Since when did the Tibetans keep records of who visited Tibet? Or. When did Adepts ever report who their students were? Both Johnson and Gilbert, apparently, are the same kind of fools as all those Jesuit and Dugpa dupes who question the veracity of HPB and her associates and teachers with specious inference and conjecture, based on nothing more than ulterior motives to discredit theosophy. It's perfectly obvious (to "real" and "true" theosophists) that HPB's, and her teachers and colleagues writings alone are evidence of their truthfulness, wisdom and knowledge. Wake up David, and learn some "occultism," and the need, sometimes of "blinds" to misdirect those "outsiders" who would use the "secrets" selfishly--before you accept such derogatory nonsense from "theosophy haters" and ignorant "Orientalists" as "evidence" of anything. LHM --part1_d892fdf0.2496c4fb_boundary-- -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Mon Jun 14 16:32:09 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id PAA02524 for theos-talk-outgoing; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 15:57:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f From: LeonMaurer@aol.com Message-ID: <63cc6e71.2496c53c@aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 16:51:08 EDT Subject: Fwd: Re: Theos-World Re: Mrs Blavatsky lied abouyour so called research is flawed.t journey in Tibet To: theos-talk@theosophy.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_63cc6e71.2496c53c_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.1 for Mac sub 84 Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com --part1_63cc6e71.2496c53c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent. In case original lost in transit. --part1_63cc6e71.2496c53c_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: LeonMaurer@aol.com From: LeonMaurer@aol.com Full-name: LeonMaurer Message-ID: <63cc6e71.24961f25@aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 05:02:29 EDT Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Mrs Blavatsky lied abouyour so called research is flawed.t journey in Tibet To: theos-talk@theosophy.com CC: bn-study@lists.lyris.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 In a message dated 6/13/99 5:58:32 PM, davidgreen@hotmail.com writes: >> From: "Frank Reitemeyer" >> At first: For me it is Mr Gilbert who lies and not Mrs Blavatsky. > What are Mr Gilbert's lies in his article on Mrs Blavatsky in Tibet? > Details? > David (aka LSOS) Since you are the one who professes to KNOW Gilbert is telling the truth, why not first tell us how you are so sure of what his motives are, and, before asking us to "detail" his lies, show us the "proofs" of his assertions. (Not only about Tibet, but everything else he and your anonymous "theosophical" letter writer, supposedly confirming Gilbert, tells you about "Blavatsky's lies".) Only fools believe what they read without any study or proof of the validity of the writers statements. Second hand opinions, based on the unproved assertions of others, carry no weight with intelligent and thoughtful people--as I assume all "real" and "true" theosophists are. I take it now, that since you can't "believe anything HPB says", that you are not a "real" and "true" student of theosophy, as you formerly implied. Your naive acceptance of all this negative second hand information, with a studied disregard of any countering positive information, is a good sign that your so called "research" on theosophical leaders is flawed and may have an ulterior motive. Criticism, as Theosophy points out, may be a sure sign that the one who criticizes may suffer from the same faults he points out in others. Let the readers beware. Blavatsky's and the Master's experience and teachings speak for themselves, and no "personal" aspersions have any relationship to the truthfulness or validity of their teachings or their writings. No claims were made by HPB, and the acceptance or rejection of the theosophical teachings is left up to the individual students themselves--as she so clearly pointed out. Both you and Gilbert (as well as your confirming "letter writer" of "98 lies" of HPB) who accept the critical blathering of others without credible foundation, other than personal opinions and questionable documents, are apparently birds of a feather--since you all seem to be only interested in exposing HPB's, WQJ's and RC's foibles and their so called "lies" (as well as downgrading the theosophical movement as a whole)--by presenting unproved and second hand information--some culled from other ENEMIES of both HPB and the Movement. Can we assume, therefore, that you are just one of their stooges? Or, is it, their "dupes"? If your assumptions about theosophy and their leaders are valid, based on your personal opinions and the information you provide on your web site, we might as well believe the findings of the British Psychical Society's original report on the "frauds" of HPB (later fully retracted by the same society, as being similarly "biased" and "unfounded.") Incidentally, as an associate of The Uniworld Artisans Foundation and Guild, I noticed you placed a mirror link on your site to a copyright web page without permission (referring to articles about HPB and Alice Bailey--reprinted by permission). Accordingly, I feel justified in requesting a link to your site on a new web site (also cross linked to the Uniworld Artisans Guild) dealing with "The History of Synthesis of Science, Religion and Philosophy," with particular emphasis on "Fraudulent or Biased Contradictory Research"--including exposing the similar actions of the Jesuits and the Dugpas (along with their "apologists," "dupes," and "plants") in their futile attempts to discredit theosophy as well as its teachers. Now, it appears that their derogatory mission has been taken over by others who also need "exposing" in public. Discussing these "opinions" privately among ourselves is one thing, but postings of sham "research" with an obvious ulterior motive to a "public" web site is quite another. So, now, after your first move to go public with your personal attacks on theosophical teachers supported by nothing but hearsay and personal opinions, let the readers decide for themselves, and the chips fall where they may. > I was shocked to find Mrs Blavatsky lied about trip to Tibet. Mr > Gilbert's study proves her unreliability. I'm more shocked at your gullibility. If that's your idea of "proof", I wonder if all your other supposed "proofs" about your opinions of theosophy and its teachers is equally as valid? I also wonder who the "liars" really are in this "study". As theosophy points out, those who criticise may suffer from the same faults they allegedly point out in others. > This week a theosophical writer has forwarded to me paper listing 98 lies > by Mrs Blavatsky!!!!! Who can believe anything this woman writes. I'm hoping > he'll publish article. I'm more convinced now of Dr Carlson's portrait of > Mrs Blavatsky. And you of course, believe everything you read--so long as it denigrates theosophy and its teachers. or is biased in accord with your own distorted beliefs... Right? Wake up and smell the coffee, David... You're way out of your league. If I was your professor grading you on your research report and conclusions, you would flunk the course. LHM P.S. Portions of this letter may be posted on the HPB vs. AB web pages along with a notice that any documents referentially associated with the page's mirroring on another web site may be inauthentic, biased, or unverified information. --------------------------------------------- --part1_63cc6e71.2496c53c_boundary-- -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Mon Jun 14 17:16:27 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id QAA08805 for theos-talk-outgoing; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 16:52:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f From: LeonMaurer@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 17:49:58 EDT Subject: Re: Theos-World Sober time To: theos-talk@theosophy.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.1 for Mac sub 84 Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com In a message dated 6/14/99 2:30:36 PM, anonymous wrote: < > > >Time for some sobering up with a more realistic assessment of the > >greatness of HPB and her accomplishments and her flaws and failures. > > Couldn`t agree more!!!>> And what good would all that personality assessment do when it comes to understanding the occult and theosophical truths that she taught? Should personal accomplishments or personal flaws and failures make any difference when it comes to assessing the value of these teachings? I think not. So, why are all you nit pickers wasting our time and spamming everyone with all these stupid, sycophantic, ass kissing and confirmatory letters that say nothing of any value to anyone? And what good does it do anyone to hear all this gossipy nonsense about other peoples faults? Why not spend some time correcting your own flaws, or studying science, religion, philosophy or theosophy, so you can make some thoughtful, intelligent and interesting comments? LHM -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Mon Jun 14 17:34:57 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id RAA11303 for theos-talk-outgoing; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 17:13:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f From: Richtay@aol.com Message-ID: <26fbf46f.2496d7da@aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 18:10:34 EDT Subject: Theos-World Gilbert and Tibet To: theos-talk@theosophy.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.1 for Mac sub 74 Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com As a specialist in Tibetan studies (now having advanced to candidacy and receiving my degree in a few months) I can say that Gilbert's study is utterly inconclusive. Gilbert is a nobody in the field, an anthropologist who hasn't a clue as to the actual DOCTRINES of Buddhism. If HPB is so false to her Buddhist sources in Tibet, why have the Dalai Lama, the Panchen Lama, and many other bona fide Tibetan teachers written prefaces to her books, recommending them for study? As my dissertation will show, Gilbert and others fail to understand that HPB uses Buddhist terms last century that couldn't even be found in dictionaries. There is no way HPB could have has access to the teachings she gives except through FIRST-HAND instruction. Whether her personal instruction took place in Tibet, in Bhutan, in Ladakh, in Nepal, in Assam, in Khotan, in Sahng-shung, in Gilgit, in Kashmir -- I truly could not care less. I don't think HPB's travels can be documented one way or another, as K. Paul Johnson's flimsy books of hypotheses show. Nor should we care. HPB's works, in her written productions, prove her learning and worth. Other than that, who cares? For any who are interested, I have the first two chapters of my dissertation, "Blavatsky and Buddhism," prepared and ready to go. This work *proves* using chronology and texts from last century, how HPB was unique and could not have drawn from any known Western sources last century. Simply email me for a copy, and please agree to reimburse my printing and mailing costs (about $10 all together). As a student, I've already sent out over a dozen copies and can't afford to continue to do it gratis. Rich -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Mon Jun 14 20:43:16 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id UAA31332 for theos-talk-outgoing; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 20:19:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 12:59:58 +1000 From: Andrew Rooke Subject: Re: Theos-World test message In-reply-to: <4.1.19990613163929.00954dd0@theosophy.com> To: theos-talk@theosophy.com Message-id: <01JCFE983DQY91Y71N@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com Dear Eldon : your message is coming through loud and clear in Melbourne! With good wishes and thanks for your effort with the list, Andrew Rooke -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Mon Jun 14 20:52:21 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id UAA00670 for theos-talk-outgoing; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 20:34:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-ID: <3765AF12.AEAEBB8F@lainet.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 18:40:46 -0700 From: Martin Leiderman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: theos-talk@theosophy.com Subject: Theos-World K. Tingley is menioned in the Los Angeles Times Magazine References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com An article, last Sunday, in the Los Angeles Times Magazine with the title: "Who, Us? Shallow?" by Leilah Bernstein, subtitled "… How did the world come up with this caricature of Southern California Anyway?" The article is in the form of a timeline, and starts with this entry: ====================== 00s Katherine Tingley, a.k.a. the Purple Mother, establishes the Point Loma Theosophical Community near San Diego. Theosophists are dedicated to discover the "ancient truths" that link all religion. (1900) ====================== In my opinion, this is very good, as people in Southern California read and become aware of the word "theosophical" as part of their historical and cultural development. We are still reaping that ‘good’ karma. We (theosophy) can use all the publicity we can get. Martin Leiderman In West Los Angeles -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Mon Jun 14 23:15:10 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id XAA17917 for theos-talk-outgoing; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 23:04:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990614230119.008e07a0@mail.eden.com> X-Sender: ramadoss@mail.eden.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 23:01:19 -0500 To: theos-l@list.vnet.net, From: M K Ramadoss Subject: Theos-World Internet in Universities Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com The almost unlimited Internet resources made available in the Universities seems to set the trend for the future -- tight integration of Internet into the lives of everyone. In the Universities, starting from freshman(woman) year, every student is provided with free e-mail access. In addition, they can create their own site -- their imagination is the limit -- the exception being you cannot use the site for commercial purposes or have hot games on your site -- the schools do not want the entire world to visit the game site and bring down the whole school system due to overload. They also encourage to set up your own server with a high speed 10 MBps connection. Students can also set up mailists at no expense to them. All the buildings are wired for high speed access - 10Mbps -- these include dorms. With a high speed connection, you are connected to Internet 24 hours of the day seven days of the week! So no student need to use free e-mail sites such as hotmail or use free websites (funded by the ads). This applies to everyone in the academic community -- students, teachers, professors, librarians, etc. etc. If you are a faculty or graduate student, the schools will provide almost any Internet resource one needs. I thought many would be interested in the above since it forbodes the intense use of Internet. BTW, now middle and high schools are teaching their students how to setup websites as part of their curriculum. It looks like setting up websites is going to be like learning how to drive an auto. mkr -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Tue Jun 15 08:00:06 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id HAA02515 for theos-talk-outgoing; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 07:48:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-ID: <002501beb72d$21879ea0$1c7d96d1@netgsi.com> From: "Jerry Schueler" To: "Theosophy" Subject: Theos-World Where's the proof? Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 08:46:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com >>I believe than Daniel Caldwell, in his manuscript "K. Paul Johnson's House of Cards?" has responded more than adequately to every major assertion that Johnson makes in his books. I don't believe the topic can be adequately discussed without reference to *both* sides of the evidence, and citing Johnson alone is a gross error in scholarship, even by academic standards, let alone Theosophical ones.>> Good point, Rich. There is no "proof" that HPB ever went to Tibet. There is also no "proof" that she didn't. There is no "proof" that she had Tibetan Teachers. There is also no "proof" that she didn't. We have to either believe it or not. However, it is a fact that she was one of the first, if not the very first, Western writer of true Mahayana Buddhism. "Buddhism" was largely Theravadin until HPB came along. So if she didn't have Mahayana teachers somewhere along the line, then we have to wonder where she learned the Mahayana doctrine. Personally, I like Johnson's book and I think that he is right about HPB deliberately mythologizing the Mahatmas. As Paul points out, myths do have a psychological validity and are usually based on physical facts. Jerry S. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Tue Jun 15 19:58:18 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id TAA31041 for theos-talk-outgoing; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 19:40:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-ID: <000201beb790$dfd05a60$ac8306d4@a0v2w5> From: "Frank Reitemeyer" To: Subject: Theos-World Re: Mrs Blavatsky lied about journey in Tibet Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 01:06:09 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com > David (aka LSOS) LSOS: Does that mean: Lord, see our sins, or what??? Frank -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Tue Jun 15 21:13:17 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id UAA06568 for theos-talk-outgoing; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 20:48:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-ID: <004c01beb79a$6fce7300$ac8306d4@a0v2w5> From: "Frank Reitemeyer" To: References: <3765AF12.AEAEBB8F@lainet.com> Subject: Re: Theos-World K. Tingley is menioned in the Los Angeles Times Magazine Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 03:21:01 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com Martin, thank you so much for your important information. Is this article about Katherine Tingley available online? Thanks, Frank -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Tue Jun 15 22:43:17 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id WAA14059 for theos-talk-outgoing; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 22:15:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-ID: <3767128A.E315CA8@lainet.com> Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 19:57:23 -0700 From: Martin Leiderman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: theos-talk@theosophy.com Subject: Re: Theos-World K. Tingley is mentioned in the Los Angeles Times Magazine References: <3765AF12.AEAEBB8F@lainet.com> <004c01beb79a$6fce7300$ac8306d4@a0v2w5> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------B4268119CBB00C577B94D1B2" Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com --------------B4268119CBB00C577B94D1B2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Frank, Yes, you can find it, not for long time at: http://www.latimes.com/HOME/NEWS/TIMESMAG/t000053187.html Martin Leiderman Frank Reitemeyer wrote: > Martin, > thank you so much for your important information. Is this article about > Katherine Tingley available online? > Thanks, Frank > > -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com > > Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and > teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of > "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. --------------B4268119CBB00C577B94D1B2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Frank,

Yes, you can find it, not for long time at:

http://www.latimes.com/HOME/NEWS/TIMESMAG/t000053187.html
 
 
 

Martin Leiderman
 
 
 

Frank Reitemeyer wrote:

Martin,
thank you so much for your important information. Is this article about
Katherine Tingley available online?
Thanks, Frank

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--------------B4268119CBB00C577B94D1B2-- -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Wed Jun 16 11:06:37 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id KAA24295 for theos-talk-outgoing; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 10:16:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f From: RIhle@aol.com Message-ID: <3c380dda.24991884@aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 11:11:00 EDT Subject: Re: Theos-World Where's the proof? To: theos-talk@theosophy.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com In a message dated 6/15/99 8:00:32 AM Central Daylight Time, gschueler@netgsi.com writes: << Personally, I like Johnson's book and I think that he is right about HPB deliberately mythologizing the Mahatmas. As Paul points out, myths do have a psychological validity and are usually based on physical facts. Jerry S. >> Good point, Jerry. I was also tempted to jump in to defend poor Paul a little, but I have more or less decided to give up such activities. (Defense seems doomed to failure, anyway, considering that many seem to want so badly for the read-only Big Tidy Package to be true that they will probably NEVER develop enough subtle skill with nonattached, transcendental investigation to actually discover whether even a particle of it is true.) Best wishes; Godspeed, Richard Ihle -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Thu Jun 17 05:13:37 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id EAA12979 for theos-talk-outgoing; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 04:51:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f From: Teos9@aol.com Message-ID: <668f2473.249a1eb7@aol.com> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 05:49:43 EDT Subject: Re: Theos-World What happened here. Ask and ye shall receive ! To: theos-talk@theosophy.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com Dallas I sent this earlier this week, but I don't think you received it. Louis Subj: Re: Theos-World What happened here. Ask and ye shall receive ! Date: 6/14/99 6:24:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time From: Teos 9 To: theos-talk@theosophy.com In a message dated 6/12/99 11:29:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dalval@nwc.net writes: << Do you know of any such Web-site ? >> Dallas: I have found a few websites that address the issue of Fortean phenomena and other unexplained observations. Since they are not strictly "theosophical" as per this list, I am reluctant to post them here. Do you have another e-mail address for things like this. Or should I send them to you here? I will follow your instructions in this matter. Louis -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Thu Jun 17 10:20:23 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id JAA13561 for theos-talk-outgoing; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 09:48:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f From: "W. Dallas TenBroeck" To: Subject: RE: Theos-World Where's the proof? Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 07:42:50 -0700 Message-ID: <000001beb8cf$ad085ca0$940e97cf@nwc.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3c380dda.24991884@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com June 17TH 1999 Dear Friends: On behalf of HPB, and the documents that have been made publicly available to all serious student and which reveal the sequence of the events in the recent history of the Theosophical Movement I feel I must protest the conclusions that appear to be voiced in this posting. 1 Mr. P. Johnson has proved nothing and is unable to answer questions that are based on documents available. It is necessary to review all the correspondence exchanged since he published his book. He deals as far as I can make out, in speculations and fancy. It attracts the attention of those who are interested in such things, but serious scholars, like Mr. D. Caldwell have demonstrated, as I say, the fallacies of his purely opinionated position. His books are sensationalist and thus stir the interest of those who do not study thoroughly or impartiality to actions of the past as recorded in DOCUMENTS. 2 If you have studied Theosophical History thoroughly and can advance anything other than your opinions, may we please have them ? Dallas TenBroeck Dallas dalval@nwc.net  ================================== -----Original Message----- From: owner-theos-talk@pippin.imagiware.com [mailto:owner-theos-talk@pippin.imagiware.com]On Behalf Of RIhle@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 1999 8:11 AM To: theos-talk@theosophy.com Subject: Re: Theos-World Where's the proof? In a message dated 6/15/99 8:00:32 AM Central Daylight Time, gschueler@netgsi.com writes: << Personally, I like Johnson's book and I think that he is right about HPB deliberately mythologizing the Mahatmas. As Paul points out, myths do have a psychological validity and are usually based on physical facts. Jerry S. >> Good point, Jerry. I was also tempted to jump in to defend poor Paul a little, but I have more or less decided to give up such activities. (Defense seems doomed to failure, anyway, considering that many seem to want so badly for the read-only Big Tidy Package to be true that they will probably NEVER develop enough subtle skill with nonattached, transcendental investigation to actually discover whether even a particle of it is true.) Best wishes; Godspeed, Richard Ihle -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Thu Jun 17 15:59:47 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id PAA25710 for theos-talk-outgoing; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 15:42:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f X-Sender: pdeveney@lanconnect.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 16:37:20 -0500 To: jsantucci@fullerton.edu From: John Patrick Deveney Subject: Theos-World Updates to and Expansion of Theosophical History Webpage Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com The Theosophical History Webpage http://idt.net/~pdeveney/ has been updated and expanded. (1) The full text of the early numbers of the Journal are being uploaded, and some are now available online. More to follow. (2) Original documents of Theosophical history are being uploaded, including H.P. Blavatsky's naturalization papers. (3) The table of contents of the next (July) issue of the Journal, with fascinating contributions by Joscelyn Godwin, Leslie Prise, Jean-Louis Siemons, and others. (4) Notices of some of the vast full-text archives relating to Theosophical history that are now online, including Isis Unveiled, The Secret Doctrine, H.P.B.'s letters to Hiram Corson, and much more. (5) Announcement of a book on the archives of Willhelm H=FCbbe-Schleidenn (1846-1916). (6) Notes & Queries has notes on fascinating research projects and queries on the relationship of H.P.B. and Rudolf Steiner to Ernest Haeckel and Rudolf Steiner; seeking information on the artist Hugo Hoeppner (1868-1948), known as FIDUS; announcing a book on Russia and the occult; seeking information on the Eddy Brothers; and announcing the publication of a fascinating book on the Philadelphia inventor John Worrell Keely. Leslie Price also announces the imminent beginnings of "The Pioneer"--an electronic journal devoted to the pioneers of the psychic field in areas such as Modern Spiritualism, Mesmerism, Theosophy and Psychical Research. Early issues will deal primarily with Emma Hardinge Britten and Andrew Jackson Davis. Announcement is made that Architronic, The Electronic Journal Of Architecture, has recently published a theme issue entitled "Architecture and Theosophy." Professor Santucci has announced the program and tentative date for the upcoming Consultation on Western Esotericism from the Early Modern Period at the American Academy of Religion in Boston from November 20 to November 23, 1999. PLEASE NOTE ALSO that within the next week the Theosophical History Webpage will move to its own domain: http://www.theosophicalhistory.org. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Fri Jun 18 07:00:07 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id GAA11390 for theos-talk-outgoing; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 06:56:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990618065419.00a916b0@mail.eden.com> X-Sender: ramadoss@mail.eden.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 06:54:19 -0500 To: theos-talk@theosophy.com, theos-l@list.vnet.net From: M K Ramadoss Subject: Re: Theos-World Updates to and Expansion of Theosophical History Webpage Cc: John Patrick Deveney , jsantucci@fullerton.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com At 04:37 PM 6/17/1999 -0500, John Patrick Deveney wrote: >The Theosophical History Webpage http://idt.net/~pdeveney/ >has been updated and expanded. > >(1) The full text of the early numbers of the Journal are being uploaded, >and some are now available online. More to follow. > >(2) Original documents of Theosophical history are being uploaded, >including H.P. Blavatsky's naturalization papers. It was a breath of fresh air to read about the full text of early numbers and other documents uploaded to the site. Making the publications available on line allows far more people to have access to the material and read them and benefit by them. This is especially true of people in Asia and Eastern Europe. Many would be looking forward to more uploads in the future. mkr -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Fri Jun 18 10:55:00 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id KAA02133 for theos-talk-outgoing; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 10:42:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-ID: <001301beb983$d62bc680$277d96d1@netgsi.com> From: "Jerry Schueler" To: "Theosophy" Subject: Theos-World Response to Richard Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 08:12:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com >>Good point, Jerry. I was also tempted to jump in to defend poor Paul a little, but I have more or less decided to give up such activities. (Defense seems doomed to failure, anyway, considering that many seem to want so badly for the read-only Big Tidy Package to be true that they will probably NEVER develop enough subtle skill with nonattached, transcendental investigation to actually discover whether even a particle of it is true.)<< Richard, thank you. You are absolutely right. Until one directly experiences non-duality, one wanders through life with very strange beliefs. Recently I have been re-reading Nagarjuna, whose middle way doctrine denounces all extremes. According to Nagajuna, even HPB's Beness, Space, and Motion, have to go. Even emptiness is empty. So all our mental gymnastics on this list are idle chatter. I too, at long last, am finally giving up. Jerry S. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Fri Jun 18 11:00:06 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id KAA03253 for theos-talk-outgoing; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 10:54:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990618110504.010538d8@mail.eden.com> X-Sender: ramadoss@mail.eden.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 11:05:04 -0500 To: theos-l@list.vnet.net, theos-talk@theosophy.com From: M K Ramadoss Subject: Theos-World Power of Internet Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com The power of Internet as a medium of communication and information availability and retrieval is growing. The help one is able to get in the cyberspace is invaluable and sometimes there is no easy substitute. My experiences confirmed it and thought I should share with all of you. First related to fixing my computer. My computer motherboard showed signs of failure. Not wanting to take the risk of waiting it to fail I decided to change the MB and go for a faster processor. Buying them was easiest part. Once installed, there were problems. Had to go to the websites of the MB mfr, CPU chip mfr, chipset chip mfr, Microsoft, Dejanews (for finding the problem solutions), peripheral mfr. and finally after several visits to all the sites above and several downloads of fixes and updates to software, finally everything is working. But for Internet, I could not have found the solutions and could not have gotten the needed software updates, hardware settings etc. Many of the computer parts mfrs rely on their website to provide information and help -- hard copy approach is going out of the door. This trend is going to grow as everyone finds Internet gets integrated in our day to day life and becomes indispensable like telephone, fax, auto etc. The second instance was when one of our well known friends due to the ignorance of the copyright law was trying to tell me that no one could talk about any unpublished material. I went to a discussion group which has many copyright attorneys gave me the feedback that he was wrong and unpublished material content can be disclosed -- otherwise newspapers can't even report any info of public importance from unpublished material. So I wrote him back that he was wrong about it and have not heard from him since on the topic. (must have been a disappointment in his effort to keep unpublished material content secret). All the info was obtained at no cost except my time on the Internet. Third instance was resolving an apparent problem in the auto. The diagnosis of the problem would cost about $50.00 at the dealer. A simple solution was found and it worked. Took 5 minutes of my time on the auto. With the availability of theosophical materials on the cyberspace for free, and with more people accessing Internet, I think there is a great opportunity out there for the public to learn about theosophy at no cost to them. mkr -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Fri Jun 18 11:45:06 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id LAA06969 for theos-talk-outgoing; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 11:30:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f X-Sent-via: StarNet http://www.azstarnet.com/ Message-ID: <376A7421.83FA2517@azstarnet.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 09:30:26 -0700 From: Caldwell/Graye X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: theos-talk@theosophy.com, theos-l@list.vnet.net, Daniel Caldwell Subject: Theos-World The Blavatsky Archives Online References: <001301beb983$d62bc680$277d96d1@netgsi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com THE BLAVATSKY ARCHIVES ONLINE http://www.azstarnet.com/~blafoun/index.htm In the forthcoming edition of my book *The Esoteric World of Madame Blavatsky* (Wheaton, Illinois, The Theosophical Publishing House), I've compiled scores of primary source accounts on H.P.B.'s life, occult phenomena, encounters with her Masters, etc. My archives and files contain hundreds of *other* accounts and articles (positive and negative) on Madame Blavatsky. The Blavatsky Archives Online plans to publish many of these documents. The three items below are a mere sampling of what will eventually be published on this web site. Statement of Mr. Bhavani Shankar [on the Theosophical Mahatmas]. Theosophic Thaumaturgy---A Startling Story [from The Bombay Gazette] Critical Historical Review of The Theosophical Society [An Expose of Madame Blavatsky] by William Emmette Coleman These items are located on the WWW at http://www.azstarnet.com/~blafoun/index.htm Daniel H. Caldwell blafoun@azstarnet.com -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Fri Jun 18 12:45:06 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id MAA13804 for theos-talk-outgoing; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 12:33:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-ID: <376A821C.7DA47A26@withoutwalls.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 10:30:04 -0700 From: Mark Kusek Organization: Without Walls: An Internet Art Space X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: theos-talk@theosophy.com Subject: Re: Theos-World Response to Richard References: <001301beb983$d62bc680$277d96d1@netgsi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com Jerry Schueler wrote: > Until one directly experiences non-duality, one wanders through life with > very strange beliefs. > > Recently I have been re-reading Nagarjuna, whose middle way doctrine > denounces all extremes. According to Nagajuna, even HPB's Beness, > Space, and Motion, have to go. Even emptiness is empty. So all our > mental gymnastics on this list are idle chatter. There really is nothing to do. -- M -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Mon Jun 21 07:30:04 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id HAA06627 for theos-talk-outgoing; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 07:25:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-ID: <001401bebbe0$e26cc480$0d7d96d1@netgsi.com> From: "Jerry Schueler" To: "Theosophy" Subject: Theos-World Response to Dallas Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 08:23:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com >> Mr. P. Johnson has proved nothing and is unable to answer questions that are based on documents available. >> Dallas, you are missing the whole point here. You too are making assumptions. THERE IS NO PROOF. Whether HPB went to Tibet or not must be taken on faith. She claimed that she did, but there is no real proof one way or the other. Similarly, her Mahatmas were real human beings, as she herself said many times. Its pure conjecture as to who they actually were because she deliberately covered up their identities. The "documents available" are conflicting and so we each have to make our own assumptions and guesses. This is Paul's thesis, and I agree with him. Does it really matter who they were? HPB taught us the real Mahayana doctrine, so does it matter if she was actually in Tibet or not? Jerry S. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Mon Jun 21 10:01:56 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id JAA18781 for theos-talk-outgoing; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 09:32:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f From: "W. Dallas TenBroeck" To: Subject: RE: Theos-World Response to Dallas == DID HPB GO TO TIBET? Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 07:26:25 -0700 Message-ID: <000601bebbf2$0c9abda0$8e0e97cf@nwc.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001401bebbe0$e26cc480$0d7d96d1@netgsi.com> Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com June 21 1999 Dear Jerry: Of course you are right, there is no "proof" except to one's self. PJ only went to India for a few weeks -- nothing compared to a stay of 30 or more years' experience and search there, all over the country. However, the stability of THEOSOPHY as a philosophy ought to stand as its own vindication. I note that everyone of the so-called "critics" (from the days of HPB to the present) is nibbling around the edges, but no one has so far demonstrated that the CORE IDEAS and TEACHINGS are faulty as a whole. The nature of the criticism is to muddle the minds of inquirers who may have not yet started on their search. It is discouraging, as some permit the words of others to do this to themselves. The quality of the criticism is not persuasive as it does not deal with the doctrines and philosophy AS A WHOLE. It is permissible to ask questions, but to frame criticism needs deep and thorough study. I do not detect this. Who among the critics has gone through the SD as study at least 3 times? Have they compared it with ISIS, KEY, VOICE ? Have they annotated it, and also read the first 10 Vols. of THEOSOPHIST, PATH, LUCIFER ? In other words do they KNOW what THEOSOPHY says and teaches? Do they know what are the depths and shallowness of THEOSOPHY ? When that is done they can say they KNOW what Theosophy is, and have been able to demonstrate consecutively and accurately that certain statements are WRONG or QUESTIONABLE. Then they can set to do this, chapter and verse in hand. That can be respected. The constant petty sniping at language and term usage is a distraction and gets absolutely nowhere in terms of depth. Who, after 50 years will ever remember these opinions ? What is their LASTING importance ? What does it matter if HPB used either Buddhist or Hindu terms ? She was not basing THEOSOPHY on those systems which, in their infancy, were derived from the PERENNIAL "THEOSOPHY" OF THE AGES. The Eastern Kabala. I would say that modern Theosophy is entitled to use any of those terms and doctrines which it originated in the past. It does not bow to modern scholarship. That is the "Eye Doctrine" at its best. The HEART DOCTRINE that deals with man's immortality and perfectibility, that gives hope for all our problems and woes of the present -- that is important. That survives the confusion and the criticisms. Without that kind of familiarity and real study, opinions on half grasped ideas alone are what I see emerging. To me that is relevant. And I protest the lack of scholarship in THEOSOPHY (not in Buddhism or Hinduism) which permits critics to speak or write and by unable to support their views. The only thing they reveal to me is their lack of real study, and a desire to stand forth as "wiser than their teachers." Genuine inquiry is always welcome, as certain of the doctrines are indeed recondite from our present point of view. What Theosophy does is to restore many a lost page of history, and in doing so, it indicates the traces of that history which is to be found in many systems and theologies or legends of the past. Dal Dallas dalval@nwc.net  -----Original Message----- From: owner-theos-talk@pippin.imagiware.com [mailto:owner-theos-talk@pippin.imagiware.com]On Behalf Of Jerry Schueler Sent: Monday, June 21, 1999 5:24 AM To: Theosophy Subject: Theos-World Response to Dallas >> Mr. P. Johnson has proved nothing and is unable to answer questions that are based on documents available. >> Dallas, you are missing the whole point here. You too are making assumptions. THERE IS NO PROOF. Whether HPB went to Tibet or not must be taken on faith. She claimed that she did, but there is no real proof one way or the other. DOCUMENTS WITH THE INDIAN GOVERNMENT SHOW OTHERWISE Similarly, her Mahatmas were real human beings, as she herself said many times. Its pure conjecture as to who they actually were because she deliberately covered up their identities. The "documents available" are conflicting and so we each have to make our own assumptions and guesses. This is Paul's thesis, and I agree with him. Does it really matter who they were? --------------------- DALLAS: They are THEMSELVES, and not associated with those individuals that PJ writes about and has elaborated on. He writes unproven statements (see Daniel Caldwell's P. J's HOUSE OF CARDS for details.) PJ in my way of thinking is a sensationalist and sells books. I told him so and asked for his proofs -- an answer is still to come. ========================== HPB taught us the real Mahayana doctrine, so does it matter if she was actually in Tibet or not? OF COURSE NOT -- BUT WHY TELL UNTRUTHS ? WHERE ONE HAS BEEN IN UNIMPORTANT, BUT WHAT ONE SAYS IT. Dal ========================= Thanks Jerry. Jerry S. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Mon Jun 21 10:18:22 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id KAA23036 for theos-talk-outgoing; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 10:10:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-ID: <000201bebbf8$48326ba0$a18306d4@a0v2w5> From: "Frank Reitemeyer" To: "Theosophy Study List" , "Theosophy Inernational Mailing List" , Subject: Theos-World Re: Mrs Blavatsky lied about journey in Tibet Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 00:01:44 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com > David (aka LSOS) > LSOS: Does that mean: Lord, see our sins, or what??? Frank -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Mon Jun 21 12:02:00 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id LAA03399 for theos-talk-outgoing; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 11:59:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990621120922.0142f554@mail.eden.com> X-Sender: ramadoss@mail.eden.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 12:09:22 -0500 To: theos-talk@theosophy.com From: M K Ramadoss Subject: RE: Theos-World Response to Dallas == DID HPB GO TO TIBET? In-Reply-To: <000601bebbf2$0c9abda0$8e0e97cf@nwc.net> References: <001401bebbe0$e26cc480$0d7d96d1@netgsi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com At 07:26 AM 6/21/1999 -0700, Dallas wrote: >June 21 1999 >However, the stability of THEOSOPHY as a philosophy ought to stand as its >own vindication. > >I note that everyone of the so-called "critics" (from the days of HPB to the >present) is nibbling around the edges, but no one has so far demonstrated >that the CORE IDEAS and TEACHINGS are faulty as a whole. Dallas, you have hit the nail on its head. Before HPB presented the Core Ideas and Teachings to the world at large, except for a handful of people, world knew nothing about them and very difficult to find them either even if one wanted to find them. Introducing them 120 years back was a far more formidable task than it is today with the changed world culture and with the modern technological amenities. Some thing to think and meditate about. I agree that all of us who are beneficiaries of being exposed to the Core Ideas and Teachings should make it easier for the novices to focus on them. After all, in the final analysis we are dealing with our lives and if each one of us can benefit from the Core Ideas and Teachings, they are far more important than anything else. I may sound selfish; but if I cannot benefit from them, how do I hope they are going to help others. Keep up the good work. ....doss -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Mon Jun 21 15:03:09 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id OAA23456 for theos-talk-outgoing; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 14:45:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f X-Sent-via: StarNet http://www.azstarnet.com/ Message-ID: <376E9667.47BAAAED@azstarnet.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 12:45:44 -0700 From: Caldwell/Graye X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: theos-talk@theosophy.com, Daniel Caldwell Subject: Theos-World HPB's Beness, Space, and Motion, have to go. Even emptiness is empty. References: <001301beb983$d62bc680$277d96d1@netgsi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com Jerry Schueler wrote: > Recently I have been re-reading Nagarjuna, whose middle way doctrine > denounces all extremes. According to Nagajuna, even HPB's Beness, > Space, and Motion, have to go. Even emptiness is empty. But Paul Williams in MAHAYANA BUDDHISM: The Doctrinal Foundations, p. 108, writes: ". . . but the Jo nang pas and others insisted that Nagarjuna's explicit final teachings of an inherently existing Ultimate can be found in certain of his hymns, particularly the *Dharmadhatustava*. . . ." In Williams' book, read chapter on "The Tathagatagarbha (Buddha-essence/Buddha-nature)," pp. 96-115 for an overview, especially pp. 105-109 on "Tibet---The Gzhan Stong and Rang Stong Dispute"). Blavatsky students might like to study what HPB writes about the Absolute as well as what is found in the VOICE about the Buddha Nature and then compare with the Jo nang pa view found in the following two sources. Read about the 2 different kinds of "emptiness" in a new book about the Jo nang pa founder Dolpopa. This book was just released May 27th by SUNY Press: THE BUDDHA FROM DOLPO A Study of the Life and Thought of the Tibetan Master Dolpopa Sherab Gyaltsen by Cyrus Stearns http://www.sunypress.edu/NEW/newC41911.html Examines the life and thought of Dolpopa Sherab Gyaltsen (1292-1361), one of the most important thinkers in the Tibetan Buddhist tradition and one whose ideas have excited controversy from his day to the present. "A pioneering work on the life and ideas of one of the most important and controversial, yet little understood, figures in Tibetan Buddhist intellectual history."-Roger Jackson, Carleton College The Buddha from Dolpo examines the life and thought of the Tibetan Buddhist master, Dolpopa Sherab Gyaltsen (1292- 1361). Known as "The Buddha from Dolpo," he was one of the most important and original thinkers in Tibetan history, and perhaps the greatest expert on the tantric teachings of the Kalacakra or "Wheel of Time." Based largely upon esoteric Buddhist knowledge believed to be preserved in the legendary land of Shambhala, Dolpopa's theories continue to excite controversy in Tibetan Buddhism after almost 700 years. Dolpopa emphasized two contrasting definitions of the Buddhist teachings of emptiness: "emptiness of self-nature," which applies only to the level of relative truth, and "emptiness of other," which applies only to the level of absolute truth. Dolpopa identified ultimate reality as the Buddha-nature inherent in all living beings. This view of an "emptiness of other," known in Tibetan as Zhentong, is Dolpopa's main spiritual legacy. This book contains the first translations into any language of major works by Dolpopa. A General Commentary on the Doctrine is one of the earliest texts in which he systematically presented his view of the entire Buddhist path to enlightenment. The Fourth Council, written at the end of his life, may be viewed as a final summation of his ideas. Cyrus Stearns's book describes both Dolpopa's life and his ideas. Earlier Tibetan precedents for the Zhentong view are also discussed, as well as Dolpopa's own unique use of language and the major influences on the development of his controversial theories. The fate of his tradition, which was censured by the Tibetan government in the seventeenth century, is examined, and several of the most important adherents to the Zhentong theory are also discussed. Cyrus Stearns is a longtime student of Tibetan language and religion, and has served as a translator for Tibetan teachers of all traditions. For many years he has studied with and translated for Chogye Trichen Rinpoche and the late Dezhung Tulku Rinpoche. Cyrus has a Ph.D. in Buddhist Studies from the University of Washington in Seattle, and is the author of several articles on Buddhism. A volume in the SUNY series in Buddhist Studies, Matthew Kapstein, editor 318 pages June 1999 $20.95 paperback ISBN 0-7914-4192-X $62.50 hardcover ISBN 0-7914-4191-1 ************************************** BUDDHA WITHIN, THE Tathagatagarbha Doctrine According to the Shentong Interpretation of the Ratnagotravibhaga S. K. Hookham http://www.sunypress.edu/backads/hookhambuddha.html Tathagatagarbha -- Buddha Nature -- is a central concept of Mahayana Buddhism crucial to all the living practice traditions of Tibetan and Zen Buddhism. Its relationship to the concept of emptiness has been a subject of controversy for seven hundred years. Dr. Hookam's work investigates the divergent interpretations of these concepts and the way the Tibetan tradition is resolving them. In particular she does this with reference to the only surviving Indian commentary on the Tathagatagarbha doctrine, the Ratnagotravibhaga. This text addresses itself directly to the issue of how to relate the doctrine of emptiness (the illusory nature of the world) to that of the truly existing, changeless Absolute (the Buddha Nature). This is the first work by a Western writer to present an analysis of the Shentong tradition based on previously untranslated sources. The Shentong view rests on meditative experience that is inaccessible to the conceptualizing mind. It is deeply rooted in the sutra tradition of Indian Buddhism and is central to an understanding of the Mahamudra and Dzogchen traditions and Tantric practice among Kagyupas and Hyingmapas. "It takes a very good mind to have a synoptic view of the whole Buddhist movement with the key doctrine well in focus. The author has demonstrated a fine blend of the ideological and practical nature of things. We are treated to a fine analysis of the historical and ideological developments from India proper to Tibet, including some references to China, and on up to the 20th century interpretation. This will become a pivotal work for future studies on the subject. It will bring Tibetan studies to a new high in terms of its focus." -- Kenneth Inada, State University of New York at Buffalo. S. K. Hookham is at Oxford University. A volume in the SUNY series in Buddhist Studies Kenneth Inada, editor 422 pages May 1991 paperback ISBN 0-7914-0358-0 hardcover ISBN 0-7914-0357-2 ++++++++++++++++++++++++ Both SUNY books can be ordered over the phone at 1-800-666-2211. Also see SUNY's order page at http://www.sunypress.edu/order.html +++++++++++++++++++ For an indepth commentary on "Gzhan Stong," and related issues, see "A Response to John Pettit" by Paul Williams at http://jbe.la.psu.edu/6/williams991.htm Daniel Caldwell -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Tue Jun 22 06:45:06 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id GAA12769 for theos-talk-outgoing; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 06:39:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f From: "W. Dallas TenBroeck" To: Subject: RE: Theos-World Response to Dallas == DID HPB GO TO TIBET? Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 04:33:20 -0700 Message-ID: <000401bebca3$07944040$990e97cf@nwc.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19990621120922.0142f554@mail.eden.com> Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com June 22 Dear Doss: Thanks for the endorsement. I am constantly amazed at the scholarship that shows itself among those who contribute to our exchanges. Now if some of that valuable time could be additionally placed on the study of Theosophy in order to find out if in itself it is cohesive and has validity, we might all profit greatly from such a study. Is it possible to demonstrate independently of what HPB says in SD and Isis and her Articles that The Theosophy of those early eras generated Hinduism, Buddhism, etc... we would have a further demonstration and vindication of the actual and present value of Theosophy. Dal Dallas dalval@nwc.net  -----Original Message----- From: owner-theos-talk@pippin.imagiware.com [mailto:owner-theos-talk@pippin.imagiware.com]On Behalf Of M K Ramadoss Sent: Monday, June 21, 1999 10:09 AM To: theos-talk@theosophy.com Subject: RE: Theos-World Response to Dallas == DID HPB GO TO TIBET? At 07:26 AM 6/21/1999 -0700, Dallas wrote: >June 21 1999 >However, the stability of THEOSOPHY as a philosophy ought to stand as its >own vindication. > >I note that everyone of the so-called "critics" (from the days of HPB to the >present) is nibbling around the edges, but no one has so far demonstrated >that the CORE IDEAS and TEACHINGS are faulty as a whole. Dallas, you have hit the nail on its head. Before HPB presented the Core Ideas and Teachings to the world at large, except for a handful of people, world knew nothing about them and very difficult to find them either even if one wanted to find them. Introducing them 120 years back was a far more formidable task than it is today with the changed world culture and with the modern technological amenities. Some thing to think and meditate about. I agree that all of us who are beneficiaries of being exposed to the Core Ideas and Teachings should make it easier for the novices to focus on them. After all, in the final analysis we are dealing with our lives and if each one of us can benefit from the Core Ideas and Teachings, they are far more important than anything else. I may sound selfish; but if I cannot benefit from them, how do I hope they are going to help others. Keep up the good work. ....doss -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Tue Jun 22 17:16:37 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id RAA25152 for theos-talk-outgoing; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 17:00:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-ID: <000f01bebcfa$5ca02e80$027d96d1@netgsi.com> From: "Jerry Schueler" To: References: <199906221400.JAA24104@pippin.imagiware.com> Subject: Theos-World Response to Dan on Emptiness Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 17:58:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com > Jerry Schueler wrote: > > > Recently I have been re-reading Nagarjuna, whose middle way doctrine > > denounces all extremes. According to Nagajuna, even HPB's Beness, > > Space, and Motion, have to go. Even emptiness is empty. > > But Paul Williams in MAHAYANA BUDDHISM: The Doctrinal Foundations, p. 108, > writes:.... Dan, it all depends on the translator. I have several translations in my library, and they are slightly different. Nagarjuna, and many high Adepts after him, taught the "emptiness of emptiness" doctrine to do away with the notion of a substantial existing nirvana. > > ". . . but the Jo nang pas and others insisted that Nagarjuna's explicit final > teachings of an inherently existing Ultimate can be found in certain of his > hymns, particularly the *Dharmadhatustava*. . . ." > The idea of an ultimate or Beness or Thatness only has meaning in duality because such a concept stands in opposition to relativity. In non-duality, both must go. > Blavatsky students might like to study what HPB writes about the Absolute as > well as what is found in the VOICE about the Buddha Nature and then compare with > the Jo nang pa view found in the following two sources. > HPB, bless her heart, focused only on what the Mahayana call relative truth. From the viewpoint of relative truth (i.e., from the viewpoint of our human minds) an Absolute does indeed exist. > Read about the 2 different kinds of "emptiness" in a new book about the Jo nang > pa founder Dolpopa. This book was just released May 27th by SUNY Press: > I have read of many kinds of emptiness. There is an emptiness of objects as well as an emptiness of selfhood. There is also an emptiness of emptiness. > Dolpopa emphasized two contrasting definitions of the Buddhist teachings of > emptiness: "emptiness of self-nature," which applies only to the level of > relative truth, and "emptiness of other," which applies only to the level of > absolute truth. Emptiness of other is the unreality of objectivity. Emptiness of self-nature is the unreality of subjectivity. The Tibetan teaching of emptiness is identical to the Zen teaching of Suchness, or rather of no-suchness. Because objects and selfs have no suchness, or lack thing-in-itselfness, they are said to be empty. The basic teachings are identical. > identified ultimate reality as the Buddha-nature inherent in all living beings. > This view of an "emptiness of other," known in Tibetan as Zhentong, is Dolpopa's > main spiritual legacy. > Because we all have the exact same buddha-nature, there is no difference between any two of us, and spirituality is said to be characterized by a strong sense of oneness. >> Tathagatagarbha -- Buddha Nature -- is a central concept of Mahayana Buddhism crucial to all the living practice traditions of Tibetan and Zen Buddhism. Its relationship to the concept of emptiness has been a subject of controversy for seven hundred years. Dr. Hookam's work investigates the divergent interpretations of these concepts and the way the Tibetan tradition is resolving them.<< Buddha-nature is exactly what G de P calls the "essence" of every person. At the core of our being, we are all consciousness-centers or monads whose chief quality is buddha-nature--exactly the same in everyone. In a relative sense, we are empty and yet have a buddha-nature. In a higher sense, even buddha-nature is empty. > In particular she does this with reference to the only surviving Indian > commentary on the Tathagatagarbha doctrine, the > Ratnagotravibhaga. This text addresses itself directly to the issue of how to > relate the doctrine of emptiness (the illusory > nature of the world) to that of the truly existing, changeless Absolute (the > Buddha Nature). > If you want to equate buddha-nature with the absolute, and emptiness with the "illusory nature of the world" then you are right back to square one with nirvana vs samsara, but simply using different words. According to Mahayana, and especially Dzogchen, nirvana IS samsara and there is no difference between the two except in our own minds. The lowest sense of emptiness is realtive--all aggragates are unreal. A higher sense of emptiness is that even the absolute is unreal as such. In the highest possible sense, even emptiness itself is empty. > Daniel Caldwell Thanks Dan. I haven't seen or read the book you refer to yet, but hopefully I will soon. Jerry S. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Wed Jun 23 23:30:07 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id XAA10581 for theos-talk-outgoing; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 23:18:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990623231657.009324a0@mail.eden.com> X-Sender: ramadoss@mail.eden.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 23:16:57 -0500 To: theos-talk@theosophy.com From: M K Ramadoss Subject: Theos-World theosophy In-Reply-To: <000401bebca3$07944040$990e97cf@nwc.net> References: <3.0.3.32.19990621120922.0142f554@mail.eden.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com Dear Dallas: See my comments below. ...doss At 04:33 AM 6/22/1999 -0700, W. Dallas TenBroeck wrote: >June 22 > >Dear Doss: > >Thanks for the endorsement. I am constantly amazed at the scholarship that >shows itself among those who contribute to our exchanges. > >Now if some of that valuable time could be additionally placed on the study >of Theosophy in order to find out if in itself it is cohesive and has >validity, we might all profit greatly from such a study. leftAs a non scholar and novice, I found that a quick review of Isis and SD, convinced me that HPB presented a comprehensive "hypothesis" covering man(woman) and the universe. Until such time I find a better "hypothesis", I am quite happy and content to proceed with my life with HPB's "hypothesis" as a backdrop or foundation. It is hoped that personal experiences may confirm or deny parts of it. As every one knows, there are always going to be things that one may not be able to verify personally. HPB's herself has acknowledged it in her writings. So I would stay god speed in our studies.=20 >Is it possible to demonstrate independently of what HPB says in SD and Isis >and her Articles that The Theosophy of those early eras generated Hinduism, >Buddhism, etc... we would have a further demonstration and vindication of >the actual and present value of Theosophy. left When we deal with the Great Religions, there are several problems. The first one, the language used in the early days when they were founded. The vocabulary may have had a totally different meaning than what we are used to -- even assuming we understand the language. I do not know how many of the religious material is written down in a tangible medium. I assume a vast majority may have never been written down - but orally communicated and handed down from generation to generation. Then you have the allegorical nature as well as other means used to conceal some of the fundamental doctrines or ideas because it would have been fatal for them to be communicated due to then existing political conditions. Then again as oral transmittal took place, there might have been attempts to *improve* or edit them which would have further corrupted unconscionably. So what we know now may by Nth hand material whose real original meaning would have been lost. In trying to reconcile them with what HPB has written, can be a formidable task -- unless there comes an Adept who has first hand knowledge and can confirm or deny that HPB has written. Even then, the Adept's word may not be accepted because he/she does not have a PhD from a top university or even Adept's life may be at risk. These days they may not stone or crucify but simply get shot -- guns are easy to get and quick to kill. So, with all the above, I do not want to discourage anyone from trying. Let us try and see where we go and what we find. mkr =20 > > >Dal > >Dallas >dalval@nwc.net=A0 > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-theos-talk@pippin.imagiware.com >[mailto:owner-theos-talk@pippin.imagiware.com]On Behalf Of M K=20 Ramadoss >Sent: Monday, June 21, 1999 10:09 AM >To: theos-talk@theosophy.com >Subject: RE: Theos-World Response to Dallas =3D=3D DID HPB GO TO TIBET? > > >At 07:26 AM 6/21/1999 -0700, Dallas wrote: >>June 21 1999 >>However, the stability of THEOSOPHY as a philosophy ought to stand as its >>own vindication. >> >>I note that everyone of the so-called "critics" (from the days of HPB to >the >>present) is nibbling around the edges, but no one has so far demonstrated >>that the CORE IDEAS and TEACHINGS are faulty as a whole. > >Dallas, you have hit the nail on its head. Before HPB presented the Core >Ideas and Teachings to the world at large, except for a handful of people, >world knew nothing about them and very difficult to find them either even >if one wanted to find them. Introducing them 120 years back was a far more >formidable task than it is today with the changed world culture and with >the modern technological amenities. Some thing to think and meditate about. > >I agree that all of us who are beneficiaries of being exposed to the Core >Ideas and Teachings should make it easier for the novices to focus on them. >After all, in the final analysis we are dealing with our lives and if each >one of us can benefit from the Core Ideas and Teachings, they are far more >important than anything else. I may sound selfish; but if I cannot benefit >from them, how do I hope they are going to help others. > >Keep up the good work. > >....doss > > > >-- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com > >Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and >teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of >"subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. > > >-- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com > >Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and >teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of >"subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. > > -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Thu Jun 24 07:45:07 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id HAA22679 for theos-talk-outgoing; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 07:39:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f From: "W. Dallas TenBroeck" To: Subject: RE: Theos-World theosophy Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 05:33:07 -0700 Message-ID: <000601bebe3d$b96159c0$930e97cf@nwc.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0002_01BEBE03.0A19E0C0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19990623231657.009324a0@mail.eden.com> Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01BEBE03.0A19E0C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit June 24th 1999 Dear Doss: I am in agreement with your views concerning the study of Theosophy. HPB does not claim "authority." She claims to be a "messenger." Specifically a messenger from the Great and Ancient Lodge of ADEPTS. In both ISIS and SD she disclaims any personal authority and gives the credit for the records she transmits to the Real Authors, the Mahatmas. Since she was well aware that the Theosophical theories and hypotheses would be received with various degrees of incredulity from the academies, she was careful to make it clear that the information was in reality taken from the HISTORY that the Adepts and their disciples (chelas) had recorded down the ages. All that she requested was "equal time" and open consideration of what Theosophy had to offer. This suggests that THEOSOPHY is not a new fangled system of collated ideas drawn from many sources -- in fact if it were even that, then the marvel is of HPB's mind and capacity in drawing such a vast diversity together and showing how the many pieces hung together to form a seamless whole in the world of ideas and concepts. In my experience and wide reading, there is no one who has written such a comprehensive view of our world, universe and the part that Mankind plays in that. The immortality of man's Spirit/Soul and the "God-spirit" being present in every "life-atom" of our LIVING UNIVERSE are fundamental concepts. Everything in Nature trends in its life-experience towards a higher degree of knowledge, wisdom, perfection. Each life-cycle (incarnation) is like a separate day at school and all are drawn together by the uniting thread of the immortal, and eternal spiritual Self which is at their core. In fact she shows how Theosophy traces the evolution of the "consciousness and intelligence" of the SPIRITUAL SOUL or Monad, through many forms -- from the atom to the human condition of independent free-will. This sweep and concept is one that can be traced in every one of the great religions and philosophies of the world. It is the record of their existence and of our participation, again and again, in those processes. Currently there is debate as to whether Theosophy has its roots in Buddhism, Hinduism, Jainism, etc... It is understood that scholars who are deeply familiar with those systems and their development can trace similarities. However HPB claims that all those were derived from the "Sanatana Dharma," the "Perennial Philosophy." which is a record of Life's development and history. As such it claims to be at the root and at the origin of all the great ancient religio-philosophical systems and provides a reason for their development as systems of practice leading to that kind of "initiation" which develops Wisdom in thought and mind as well as simultaneously the application of compassion and harmlessness in motive. Thus, Theosophy is not exclusively religion, philosophy but also includes science -- s the power to investigate and record the workings of NATURE (Life as a whole) in every stage and department of the world and our Universe. The sweep of the ever-present immortal Life, through cycles of evolution lead at last to the "all-Knowingness" of the PERFECTED MAN. The designation Mahatma (Great Soul) is one that includes all such self-developed men of superior knowledge and nature. The SECRET DOCTRINE therefore speaks of those as the intelligent guides, and assistants that Nature employs to guide a fresh evolutionary effort, a "new Day" of evolutionary progress for all beings. If this is grasped the minute details and studies of specialists, while respected, as continuing proof of the inclusive nature of Theosophy, is also shown to be but the outer covering, to be but one way to approach to the the interior mystery of man's own mind, and its almost infinite capacities. If this infinite capacity of the human mind to grow and to understand the most simple, as well as the most complex subjects is grasped, the more learned will continually encourage the learners to investigate and prove for themselves all avenues, however diverse, of information, tradition and lore. And that is the always growing tip of the self-enlightening Mind. It always widens out to that which is permanent and universal, when given a chance to emerge from ignorance, doubt, skepticism and lethargy. Best wishes, as always, Dallas ==================== Dallas dalval@nwc.net -----Original Message----- From: owner-theos-talk@pippin.imagiware.com [mailto:owner-theos-talk@pippin.imagiware.com]On Behalf Of M K Ramadoss Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 1999 9:17 PM To: theos-talk@theosophy.com Subject: Theos-World theosophy Dear Dallas: See my comments below. ...doss At 04:33 AM 6/22/1999 -0700, W. Dallas TenBroeck wrote: >June 22 > >Dear Doss: > >Thanks for the endorsement. I am constantly amazed at the scholarship that >shows itself among those who contribute to our exchanges. > >Now if some of that valuable time could be additionally placed on the study >of Theosophy in order to find out if in itself it is cohesive and has >validity, we might all profit greatly from such a study. As a non scholar and novice, I found that a quick review of Isis and SD, convinced me that HPB presented a comprehensive "hypothesis" covering man(woman) and the universe. Until such time I find a better "hypothesis", I am quite happy and content to proceed with my life with HPB's "hypothesis" as a backdrop or foundation. It is hoped that personal experiences may confirm or deny parts of it. As every one knows, there are always going to be things that one may not be able to verify personally. HPB's herself has acknowledged it in her writings. So I would stay god speed in our studies. >Is it possible to demonstrate independently of what HPB says in SD and Isis >and her Articles that The Theosophy of those early eras generated Hinduism, >Buddhism, etc... we would have a further demonstration and vindication of >the actual and present value of Theosophy. When we deal with the Great Religions, there are several problems. The first one, the language used in the early days when they were founded. The vocabulary may have had a totally different meaning than what we are used to -- even assuming we understand the language. I do not know how many of the religious material is written down in a tangible medium. I assume a vast majority may have never been written down - but orally communicated and handed down from generation to generation. Then you have the allegorical nature as well as other means used to conceal some of the fundamental doctrines or ideas because it would have been fatal for them to be communicated due to then existing political conditions. Then again as oral transmittal took place, there might have been attempts to *improve* or edit them which would have further corrupted unconscionably. So what we know now may by Nth hand material whose real original meaning would have been lost. In trying to reconcile them with what HPB has written, can be a formidable task -- unless there comes an Adept who has first hand knowledge and can confirm or deny that HPB has written. Even then, the Adept's word may not be accepted because he/she does not have a PhD from a top university or even Adept's life may be at risk. These days they may not stone or crucify but simply get shot -- guns are easy to get and quick to kill. So, with all the above, I do not want to discourage anyone from trying. Let us try and see where we go and what we find. mkr > > >Dal > >Dallas >dalval@nwc.net > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-theos-talk@pippin.imagiware.com >[mailto:owner-theos-talk@pippin.imagiware.com]On Behalf Of M K Ramadoss >Sent: Monday, June 21, 1999 10:09 AM >To: theos-talk@theosophy.com >Subject: RE: Theos-World Response to Dallas == DID HPB GO TO TIBET? > > >At 07:26 AM 6/21/1999 -0700, Dallas wrote: >>June 21 1999 >>However, the stability of THEOSOPHY as a philosophy ought to stand as its >>own vindication. >> >>I note that everyone of the so-called "critics" (from the days of HPB to >the >>present) is nibbling around the edges, but no one has so far demonstrated >>that the CORE IDEAS and TEACHINGS are faulty as a whole. > >Dallas, you have hit the nail on its head. Before HPB presented the Core >Ideas and Teachings to the world at large, except for a handful of people, >world knew nothing about them and very difficult to find them either even >if one wanted to find them. Introducing them 120 years back was a far more >formidable task than it is today with the changed world culture and with >the modern technological amenities. Some thing to think and meditate about. > >I agree that all of us who are beneficiaries of being exposed to the Core >Ideas and Teachings should make it easier for the novices to focus on them. >After all, in the final analysis we are dealing with our lives and if each >one of us can benefit from the Core Ideas and Teachings, they are far more >important than anything else. I may sound selfish; but if I cannot benefit >from them, how do I hope they are going to help others. > >Keep up the good work. > >....doss > > > >-- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com > >Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and >teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of >"subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. > > >-- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com > >Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and >teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of >"subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. > > -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. 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June 24th=20 1999
 
Dear=20 Doss:
 
I am in=20 agreement with your views concerning the study of Theosophy. =20
 
HPB does not=20 claim "authority."   She claims to be a "messenger." =20 Specifically a messenger from the Great and Ancient Lodge of = ADEPTS. =20
 
In both ISIS=20 and SD she disclaims any personal authority and gives the credit for the = records=20 she transmits to the Real Authors, the Mahatmas.
 
Since she was=20 well aware that the Theosophical theories and hypotheses would be = received with=20 various degrees of incredulity from the academies, she was careful to = make it=20 clear that the information was in reality taken from the HISTORY that = the Adepts=20 and their disciples (chelas) had recorded down the ages.  All that = she=20 requested was "equal time" and open consideration of what Theosophy had = to=20 offer.
 
This suggests=20 that THEOSOPHY is not a new fangled system of collated ideas drawn from = many=20 sources -- in fact if it were even that, then the marvel is of HPB's = mind and=20 capacity in drawing such a vast diversity together and showing how the = many=20 pieces hung together to form a seamless whole in the world of ideas and=20 concepts.  In my experience and wide reading, there is no one who = has=20 written such a comprehensive view of our world, universe and the part = that=20 Mankind plays in that.
 
The=20 immortality of man's Spirit/Soul and the "God-spirit" being present in = every=20 "life-atom" of our LIVING UNIVERSE are fundamental concepts.  = Everything in=20 Nature trends in its life-experience towards a higher degree of = knowledge,=20 wisdom, perfection.  Each life-cycle (incarnation) is like a = separate day=20 at school and all are drawn together by the uniting thread of the = immortal, and=20 eternal spiritual Self which is at their core.  In fact she shows = how=20 Theosophy traces the evolution of the "consciousness and intelligence" = of the=20 SPIRITUAL SOUL or Monad, through many forms -- from the atom to the = human=20 condition of independent free-will.
 
This sweep=20 and concept is one that can be traced in every one of the great = religions and=20 philosophies of the world.  It is the record of their existence and = of our=20 participation, again and again, in those processes.  =
 
Currently=20 there is debate as to whether Theosophy has its roots in Buddhism, = Hinduism,=20 Jainism, etc...  It is understood that scholars who are deeply = familiar=20 with those systems and their development can trace similarities.  = However=20 HPB claims that all those were derived from the "Sanatana Dharma," the=20 "Perennial Philosophy." which is a record of Life's development and=20 history. 
 
As such it=20 claims to be at the root and at the origin of all the great ancient=20 religio-philosophical systems and provides a reason for their = development as=20 systems of practice leading to that kind of "initiation" which develops = Wisdom=20 in thought and mind as well as simultaneously the application of = compassion and=20 harmlessness in motive.
 
Thus,=20 Theosophy is not exclusively religion, philosophy but also includes = science -- s=20 the power to investigate and record the workings of NATURE  (Life = as a=20 whole) in every stage and department of the world and our=20 Universe.
 
The sweep of=20 the ever-present immortal Life, through cycles of evolution lead at last = to the=20 "all-Knowingness" of the PERFECTED MAN.  The designation Mahatma = (Great=20 Soul) is one that includes all such self-developed men of superior = knowledge and=20 nature.  The SECRET DOCTRINE therefore speaks of those as the = intelligent=20 guides, and assistants that Nature employs to guide a fresh evolutionary = effort,=20 a "new Day" of evolutionary progress for all beings.
 
If this is=20 grasped the minute details and studies of specialists, while respected, = as=20 continuing proof of the inclusive nature of Theosophy, is also shown to = be but=20 the outer covering, to be but one way to approach to the the interior = mystery of=20 man's own mind, and its almost infinite capacities.  =
 
If this=20 infinite capacity of the human mind to grow and to understand the = most=20 simple, as well as the most complex subjects is grasped, the more = learned will=20 continually encourage the learners to investigate and prove for = themselves all=20 avenues, however diverse, of information, tradition and lore.  And = that is=20 the always growing tip of the
self-enlightening Mind.  It always = widens out to=20 that which is permanent and universal, when given a chance to emerge = from=20 ignorance, doubt, skepticism and lethargy.
 
Best wishes,=20 as always,
 
Dallas
 
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D

Dallas
dalval@nwc.net 

 
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-theos-talk@pippin.imagiware.com [mailto:owner-theos-= talk@pippin.imagiware.com]On=20 Behalf Of M K Ramadoss
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 1999 = 9:17=20 PM
To: theos-talk@theosophy.com
Subject: = Theos-World=20 theosophy

Dear Dallas: See my comments below.=20 ...doss

At 04:33 AM 6/22/1999 -0700, W. Dallas TenBroeck=20 wrote:
>June 22
>
>Dear Doss:
>
>Thanks = for the=20 endorsement. I am constantly amazed at the scholarship = that
>shows=20 itself among those who contribute to our exchanges.
>
>Now = if some=20 of that valuable time could be additionally placed on the = study
>of=20 Theosophy in order to find out if in itself it is cohesive and=20 has
>validity, we might all profit greatly from such a = study.

As a non scholar and novice, I = found=20 that a quick review of Isis and SD, convinced me that HPB presented a=20 comprehensive "hypothesis" covering man(woman) and the universe. Until = such=20 time I find a better "hypothesis", I am quite happy and content to = proceed=20 with my life with HPB's "hypothesis" as a backdrop or foundation. It = is hoped=20 that personal experiences may confirm or deny parts of it. As every = one knows,=20 there are always going to be things that one may not be able to verify = personally. HPB's herself has acknowledged it in her writings. So I = would stay=20 god speed in our studies.

>Is it possible to=20 demonstrate independently of what HPB says in SD and Isis
>and = her=20 Articles that The Theosophy of those early eras generated=20 Hinduism,
>Buddhism, etc... we would have a further = demonstration and=20 vindication of
>the actual and present value of = Theosophy.

When we deal with the Great=20 Religions, there are several problems. The first one, the language = used in the=20 early days when they were founded. The vocabulary may have had a = totally=20 different meaning than what we are used to -- even assuming we = understand the=20 language. I do not know how many of the religious material is written = down in=20 a tangible medium. I assume a vast majority may have never been = written down -=20 but orally communicated and handed down from generation to generation. = Then=20 you have the allegorical nature as well as other means used to conceal = some of=20 the fundamental doctrines or ideas because it would have been fatal = for them=20 to be communicated due to then existing political conditions. Then = again as=20 oral transmittal took place, there might have been attempts to = *improve* or=20 edit them which would have further corrupted unconscionably. So what = we know=20 now may by Nth hand material whose real original meaning would have = been lost.=20 In trying to reconcile them with what HPB has written, can be a = formidable=20 task -- unless there comes an Adept who has first hand knowledge and = can=20 confirm or deny that HPB has written. Even then, the Adept's word may = not be=20 accepted because he/she does not have a PhD from a top university or = even=20 Adept's life may be at risk. These days they may not stone or crucify = but=20 simply get shot -- guns are easy to get and quick to kill.

So, = with all=20 the above, I do not want to discourage anyone from trying. Let us try = and see=20 where we go and what we find.

mkr=20 =

>
>
>Dal
>
>Dallas
>dalval@nwc.n= et 
>
>
>-----Original=20 Message-----
>From:=20 = owner-theos-talk@pippin.imagiware.com
>[mailto:owner-theos-talk@pip= pin.imagiware.com]On=20 Behalf Of M K Ramadoss
>Sent: Monday, June 21, 1999 10:09 = AM
>To:=20 theos-talk@theosophy.com
>Subject: RE: Theos-World Response to = Dallas =3D=3D=20 DID HPB GO TO TIBET?
>
>
>At 07:26 AM 6/21/1999 = -0700,=20 Dallas wrote:
>>June 21 1999
>>However, the = stability of=20 THEOSOPHY as a philosophy ought to stand as its
>>own=20 vindication.
>>
>>I note that everyone of the = so-called=20 "critics" (from the days of HPB to
>the
>>present) is = nibbling=20 around the edges, but no one has so far demonstrated
>>that = the CORE=20 IDEAS and TEACHINGS are faulty as a whole.
>
>Dallas, you = have hit=20 the nail on its head. Before HPB presented the Core
>Ideas and = Teachings=20 to the world at large, except for a handful of people,
>world = knew=20 nothing about them and very difficult to find them either = even
>if one=20 wanted to find them. Introducing them 120 years back was a far=20 more
>formidable task than it is today with the changed world = culture=20 and with
>the modern technological amenities. Some thing to = think and=20 meditate about.
>
>I agree that all of us who are = beneficiaries of=20 being exposed to the Core
>Ideas and Teachings should make it = easier for=20 the novices to focus on them.
>After all, in the final analysis = we are=20 dealing with our lives and if each
>one of us can benefit from = the Core=20 Ideas and Teachings, they are far more
>important than anything = else. I=20 may sound selfish; but if I cannot benefit
>from them, how do I = hope=20 they are going to help others.
>
>Keep up the good=20 work.
>
>....doss
>
>
>
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------=_NextPart_000_0002_01BEBE03.0A19E0C0-- -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Fri Jun 25 08:02:45 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id HAA08768 for theos-talk-outgoing; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 07:40:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f From: "Arnaldo Sisson Filho" To: Subject: Re: Theos-World Gilbert and Tibet Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 09:44:23 -0300 Message-ID: <01bebf08$8aed3e80$b3d4fcc8@zaz.bsb.zaz.com.br> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com Dear Rich, I would like very much to have a copy of your work. As I live in Brazil, I must have the name of your Bank and number of your account to do a money order to you. And don't know if that will be easy to do, but I will try. Yours, Marina Sisson -----Mensagem original----- De: Richtay@aol.com Para: theos-talk@theosophy.com Data: Segunda-feira, 14 de Junho de 1999 19:35 Assunto: Theos-World Gilbert and Tibet >As a specialist in Tibetan studies (now having advanced to candidacy and >receiving my degree in a few months) I can say that Gilbert's study is >utterly inconclusive. Gilbert is a nobody in the field, an anthropologist >who hasn't a clue as to the actual DOCTRINES of Buddhism. > >If HPB is so false to her Buddhist sources in Tibet, why have the Dalai Lama, >the Panchen Lama, and many other bona fide Tibetan teachers written prefaces >to her books, recommending them for study? > >As my dissertation will show, Gilbert and others fail to understand that HPB >uses Buddhist terms last century that couldn't even be found in dictionaries. > There is no way HPB could have has access to the teachings she gives except >through FIRST-HAND instruction. > >Whether her personal instruction took place in Tibet, in Bhutan, in Ladakh, >in Nepal, in Assam, in Khotan, in Sahng-shung, in Gilgit, in Kashmir -- I >truly could not care less. I don't think HPB's travels can be documented one >way or another, as K. Paul Johnson's flimsy books of hypotheses show. Nor >should we care. > >HPB's works, in her written productions, prove her learning and worth. Other >than that, who cares? For any who are interested, I have the first two >chapters of my dissertation, "Blavatsky and Buddhism," prepared and ready to >go. This work *proves* using chronology and texts from last century, how HPB >was unique and could not have drawn from any known Western sources last >century. > >Simply email me for a copy, and please agree to reimburse my printing and >mailing costs (about $10 all together). As a student, I've already sent out >over a dozen copies and can't afford to continue to do it gratis. > >Rich > >-- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com > >Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and >teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of >"subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Fri Jun 25 12:49:20 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id LAA01848 for theos-talk-outgoing; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 11:53:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-ID: <000501bebf2b$7d0f3480$a82a480c@pavilion> From: "Nick Weeks" To: "Theos Talk" Subject: Theos-World Quote from Master Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 09:55:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com Since it is so quiet out there in the realm of Theos-talk , I thought I would put some vitalizing words of Master M's words into the ethers. This is part of some letters to Hartmann -- see CW 8, 450. "In such a great work as this Movement no one should expect to find his associates all congenial, intuitive, prudent or courageous. One of the first proofs of self-mastery is when one shows that he can be kind and forbearing and genial with companions of the most dissimilar characters and temperaments. One of the strongest signs of retrogression when one shows that he expects others to like what he likes and act as he acts. You know whom of you the cap fits." Words to live by -- don't you think? Nicholas -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Fri Jun 25 17:48:25 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id RAA05123 for theos-talk-outgoing; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 17:04:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f From: Teos9@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 18:02:21 EDT Subject: Re: Theos-World Quote from Master To: theos-talk@theosophy.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com In a message dated 6/25/99 1:54:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Nick.Weeks@worldnet.att.net writes: << "In such a great work as this Movement no one should expect to find his associates all congenial, intuitive, prudent or courageous. One of the first proofs of self-mastery is when one shows that he can be kind and forbearing and genial with companions of the most dissimilar characters and temperaments. One of the strongest signs of retrogression when one shows that he expects others to like what he likes and act as he acts. You know whom of you the cap fits." Words to live by -- don't you think? Nicholas >> The problem is Nicholas, that often, those that show signs of the retrogression that "M" mentions here DO NOT know it. Indeed, some think they wear no cap at all. Louis -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Fri Jun 25 18:07:32 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id RAA06416 for theos-talk-outgoing; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 17:17:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f From: Richtay@aol.com Message-ID: <86f1ec38.24a5597e@aol.com> Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 18:15:26 EDT Subject: Re: Re: Theos-World Gilbert and Tibet To: theos-talk@theosophy.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.1 for Mac sub 74 Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com Dear Marina, I think the money transfer from Brazil will be too difficult. I will be happy to send you a copy of my dissertation (only half done!) to you for free. It is your choice if you would rather wait a year until it is finished, or see what I have produced in my first two chapters. I am busy with other projects and can't continue with the Blavatsky work until next spring. I have an extra copy here in my office and will happily send it to you if you send me your address. Or you can wait for the final product, your choice. Rich Taylor -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Fri Jun 25 20:54:58 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id UAA21651 for theos-talk-outgoing; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 20:18:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-ID: <001d01bebf72$12b6cf20$f2cb480c@pavilion> From: "Nick Weeks" To: References: Subject: Re: Theos-World Quote from Master Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 18:20:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com > "In such a great work as this Movement no one should expect to find his > associates all congenial, intuitive, prudent or courageous. One of the > first proofs of self-mastery is when one shows that he can be kind and > forbearing and genial with companions of the most dissimilar characters and > temperaments. One of the strongest signs of retrogression when one shows > that he expects others to like what he likes and act as he acts. You know > whom of you the cap fits." > > Words to live by -- don't you think? > Nicholas > The problem is Nicholas, that often, those that show signs of the > retrogression that "M" mentions here DO NOT know it. Indeed, some think they > wear no cap at all. > Louis Dear Louis, That is what friends are for Louis, if we cannot see our faults (or virtues), ask a friend for his opinion. But it is such a simple characteristic M mentions -- to *expect* others to like what we like and act as we act -- I think nearly everybody can see themselves plainly against that standard. Of course, they first have to know the standard. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Fri Jun 25 23:31:19 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id XAA01970 for theos-talk-outgoing; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 23:22:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f From: Teos9@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 00:20:02 EDT Subject: Re: Theos-World Quote from Master To: theos-talk@theosophy.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com In a message dated 6/25/99 9:55:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Nick.Weeks@worldnet.att.net writes: << > "In such a great work as this Movement no one should expect to find his > associates all congenial, intuitive, prudent or courageous. One of the > first proofs of self-mastery is when one shows that he can be kind and > forbearing and genial with companions of the most dissimilar characters and > temperaments. One of the strongest signs of retrogression when one shows > that he expects others to like what he likes and act as he acts. You know > whom of you the cap fits." > > Words to live by -- don't you think? > Nicholas > The problem is Nicholas, that often, those that show signs of the > retrogression that "M" mentions here DO NOT know it. Indeed, some think they > wear no cap at all. > Louis Dear Louis, That is what friends are for Louis, if we cannot see our faults (or virtues), ask a friend for his opinion. But it is such a simple characteristic M mentions -- to *expect* others to like what we like and act as we act -- I think nearly everybody can see themselves plainly against that standard. Of course, they first have to know the standard. >> Hi Nicholas, In essence I couldn't agree with you more, what you describe is the way things SHOULD work. The masters comments are all about the way things OUGHT to work. However, what gets manifested on the physical plane is rampant ignorance of spiritual laws and the comforting safety of modern "clique-ism." The clique not only "expects" its members to like what everyone else likes, etc., but rewards them for it. As a matter of fact, individuals who are against that standard, often get punished for it. I am not talking about just teenage subculture groups here, but "in groups" of every kind. Domestic, educational, social, occupational, political, all have their "good old boy" cliques. And the expectation IS that everyone will act the same and like the same things. All wear the "same hat" as it were. It leaves one wondering what M would be saying about today's forms of increased retrogression. Louis -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Sat Jun 26 10:30:12 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id KAA14787 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 10:24:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-ID: <001601bebfe8$3aff99a0$5c29480c@pavilion> From: "Nick Weeks" To: References: Subject: Re: Theos-World Quote from Master Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 08:26:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com > << > "In such a great work as this Movement no one should expect to find his > > associates all congenial, intuitive, prudent or courageous. One of the > > first proofs of self-mastery is when one shows that he can be kind and > > forbearing and genial with companions of the most dissimilar characters > and > > temperaments. One of the strongest signs of retrogression when one shows > > that he expects others to like what he likes and act as he acts. You > know > > whom of you the cap fits." > > > > Words to live by -- don't you think? > > Nicholas > > Hi Nicholas, > > In essence I couldn't agree with you more, what you describe is the way > things SHOULD work. The masters comments are all about the way things OUGHT > to work. However, what gets manifested on the physical plane is rampant > ignorance of spiritual laws and the comforting safety of modern "clique-ism." > The clique not only "expects" its members to like what everyone else likes, > etc., but rewards them for it. As a matter of fact, individuals who are > against that standard, often get punished for it. > I am not talking about just teenage subculture groups here, but "in groups" > of every kind. Domestic, educational, social, occupational, political, all > have their "good old boy" cliques. And the expectation IS that everyone will > act the same and like the same things. All wear the "same hat" as it were. It > leaves one wondering what M would be saying about today's forms of increased > retrogression. > > Louis Although the conscience has a much harder time influencing we moderns who live within, so often, the vicious vapors of "civilization" -- it still can touch us. It is very much an individual conscience and I think the Master was speaking only of the personal response, not the group. But it is a very difficult task. Don't we all like, even prefer, to associate with "like-minded" folks? Universal Brotherhood in practice means not always avoiding the uncongenial and seeking the congenial associates -- which implies much more richness and even quarreling within a group. Another Adept quote (which I do not have in front of me) says something like "we are expand our sympathies, not contract them" as the years roll by. Nicholas -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Sun Jun 27 07:14:39 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id GAA13496 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 06:59:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f From: Magi42@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 07:58:06 EDT Subject: Re: Theos-World Gilbert and Tibet To: theos-talk@theosophy.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com Giving out this type of information is extremely risky and detrimental to your savings. WATCH OUT. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Sun Jun 27 22:30:12 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id WAA04685 for theos-talk-outgoing; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 22:07:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f From: "Free Tibet" To: "Theos-Talk@Theosophy.Com" Subject: Theos-World The Lost Teachings of Atlantis Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 12:37:07 +0930 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com Has anybody read the book - "The Children of the Law of One and The Lost Teachings of Atlantis" - I don't the know the Authors name but the companys website is www.atlantis.to I've only just borrowed it from a local library - and read the first 2-3 chapters. It is about a guy who goes to the Shargung-La monastery in Thibet (it has now been destroyed) and brings back the theosophical doctrines for the world. He makes references to things like 'some ledbetter guy' and other allusions to the fact that he personally has no knowledge of the TS, HPB or the ideas of Theosophy in general. However he says he is working for the White Lodge, or Great White Brotherhood. He describes ancient technologies and talks about the secret canons that HPB was often referring to. I would be interested in any comments. Max Power -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Mon Jun 28 01:15:11 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id AAA15431 for theos-talk-outgoing; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 00:51:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f Message-ID: <37770CDB.669296E9@eden.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 00:49:16 -0500 From: M K Ramadoss Organization: NA X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: theos-talk@theosophy.com Subject: Re: Theos-World The Lost Teachings of Atlantis References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com Thanks for the citation. I went to the website and it appears that the individual may be connected with Golden Rule Organization. In reading the early chapters available on line, one thing that raises a red-flag to me - it is god with a upper case G. mkr Free Tibet wrote: > Has anybody read the book - "The Children of the Law of One and The Lost > Teachings of Atlantis" - I don't the know the Authors name but the companys > website is > > www.atlantis.to > > I've only just borrowed it from a local library - and read the first 2-3 > chapters. It is about a guy who goes to the Shargung-La monastery in Thibet > (it has now been destroyed) and brings back the theosophical doctrines for > the world. > > He makes references to things like 'some ledbetter guy' and other allusions > to the fact that he personally has no knowledge of the TS, HPB or the ideas > of Theosophy in general. However he says he is working for the White Lodge, > or Great White Brotherhood. He describes ancient technologies and talks > about the secret canons that HPB was often referring to. > > I would be interested in any comments. > > Max Power -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Wed Jun 30 20:00:04 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id TAA23250 for theos-talk-outgoing; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 19:52:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f From: "Free Tibet" To: "Theos-Talk@Theosophy.Com" Subject: Theos-World Definition of 'Almeh' Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 10:25:15 +0930 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com In ISIS UNVEILED, HPB makes a few references to and interpretaions of the Prophecy in Isaiah. Her interpretaion sees the prophesized child as Hezekiah and the world Almeh as 'temple-women'. On other NG's I have been having a debate about this. The argument put forward to me says that Almeh means virgin and the prophecy was referring to Jesus. I agree with HPB, but the hebrew scholars are saying that Almeh does not mean temple-women. Can anyone shed some light on this? Especially given that a complete Isaiah was part of the Dead Sea Scrolls. M. Power -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk Wed Jun 30 20:06:33 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id TAA23252 for theos-talk-outgoing; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 19:52:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk using -f From: "Free Tibet" To: Subject: RE: Theos-World The Lost Teachings of Atlantis Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 10:25:18 +0930 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <37770CDB.669296E9@eden.com> Sender: owner-theos-talk Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com -----Original Message----- mkr wrote: >Thanks for the citation. I went to the website and it appears that the >individual may be connected with Golden Rule Organization. I haven't heard of them before - do they have any known affiliations? >In reading the early chapters available on line, one thing that raises a >red-flag to me - it is god with a upper case G. Good Point - though having read further on, I've yet to find any major discrepancies between the core theosophical doctrines and what it espouses. Could the Author be this last quarter of the centuries - Master Appointed teacher? M. power mkr Free Tibet wrote: > Has anybody read the book - "The Children of the Law of One and The Lost > Teachings of Atlantis" - I don't the know the Authors name but the companys > website is > > www.atlantis.to > > I've only just borrowed it from a local library - and read the first 2-3 > chapters. It is about a guy who goes to the Shargung-La monastery in Thibet > (it has now been destroyed) and brings back the theosophical doctrines for > the world. > > He makes references to things like 'some ledbetter guy' and other allusions > to the fact that he personally has no knowledge of the TS, HPB or the ideas > of Theosophy in general. However he says he is working for the White Lodge, > or Great White Brotherhood. He describes ancient technologies and talks > about the secret canons that HPB was often referring to. > > I would be interested in any comments. > > Max Power -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com.