Re: theos-talk The Philosophy of Theosophy
Aug 31, 2012 05:46 AM
by M. Sufilight
A few views...
Why not answer the question posed by me in my post, in stead of answering with a question?
Here is the question again:
"And is a doctrine - here - forwarded on Behalf of the Theosophical Society by the - so-called - leaders of the
Society? And is this in contradiction or opposition to the original Constitution and Rules of the Society which I
quoted an excerpt from in the previous post/email ???"
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Let me however seek to be polite and answer your question:
What the word "sectarian" meant when it was used in the Theosophical Society by the Co-founders:
When a leader or a group of leaders in a Society, (the Theosophical Society for example), forward a doctrine on
Behalf of the Society - it immediately becomes sectarian in its nature. And especially when the word "sectarian" is defined as given in the 1890 Consitution and Rules for the Theosophical Society. (See also the Co-Founder H. P. Blavatsky in her article named: PHILOSOPHERS AND PHILOSOPHICULES (by HPB, 1889 in Lucifer Magazine --- http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v11/y1889_060.htm ---
An Excerpt: "In the published Constitution and Rules great stress is laid upon the ABSOLUTELY NON-SECTARIAN character of the Society. It is constantly insisted upon that it has no creed, no philosophy, no religion, no dogmas, and even no special views of its own to advocate, still less to impose on its members."....and much more... - Then it immediately become strange to read the above sentence from the new T.S. phamplet in mention....This sentence in the phamplet clearly advocate a doctrine on behalf of the Society for the ordinary members. Does it not...?)
--- These are my views.
On the Constitution and Rules for the Theosophical Society given in 1890:
First. The Constitution and Rules for the Theosophical Society given in 1890 is used, because, we first of all does not have all the consitutions for all the years of its existence available to us. Some of them are still clearly unofficial...and not available to us on the Internet or elsewhere.
Second...this Constitution coinsides no doubt with the Co-Founder H. P. Blavatsky's view and many other members in her time as well - as can be seen from the quotes given by me in a recent still unanswered post here on Theos-Talk. See my post given 23rd 2012,
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/58256 ...
Third...All later Consitution and Rules for the Theosophical Society - has never clearly officially and efficiently explained why their present day deviations from the Consitution and Rules of the Theosophical Society given in the early years of the existence of the Society has happended to the extend they have, and why the words non-sectarian and unsectarian seem to be defined in a different manner later on by the Theosophical Society than they did in 1875-1891. Why was Article XIII from the 1890 Consitution of the TS deleted from the TS Consitution? No answer has arrived from TS Adyar on this - compared with its strange TS Declarations (http://www.teozofija.info/Teozofsko_gibanje/Declarations.htm ) ...You may correct me if I am mistaken...)
--- These are my views.
CONSTITUTION AND RULES OF THE THEOSOPHICAL SOCIETY
"ARTICLE I"
.......
The Theosophical Society is absolutely unsectarian"
.......
"ARTICLE XIII
Offences
1. Any Fellow who shall in any way attempt to involve the Society In political disputes shall be immediately
expelled.
2. No Fellow, Officer, or Council of the Theosophical Society, or of any Section or Branch thereof, shall promulgate
or maintain any doctrines being that advanced, or advocated by the Society.
http://www.teozofija.info/tsmembers/Rules_1890.htm
Why did they write all these words into the Constitution of the Theosophical Society if they meant something else, with the objects of the Society and how to promulagte altruism, - and that, as much as 15 years after the beginning of the existence of the Society?
And why did they get deleted from the TS Consitution later on in the years after the year 1910?
Are Angles Sectarian? Are Masters sectarian? Do they at all exist? Should we be encouraged to merely believe that they exist in a fanatical theosophical manner?
Phony Guru's do however exist, there can hardly be any doubt about this.
Can one promulagte Theosphical teachings, so-called, in a Society - in a sectarian manner - ON BEHALF OF THE MEMBERS and call that true Altruism?
I say no, and call it a sectarian stance to seek to do so. I suggest that one instead let the members promulgate their own version and view upon what the theosophical techings and other teachings might be or might not be - based on Altruism to the best of their abilitites. No officials or leaders of a true Theospohical Society (following the origiinal Consitution and Rules) should be allowed to decide what people should think or whether they should believe anything. This is a true non-sectarian spirit.
--- These are my views.
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I do hope it all become more easily understandable?
I do not seek to promote any theosphical doctrine or philosophy (or as said by Blavatsky: special views) - on behalf of anyone and I will never recommend that anyone else seek to do so. Because this will a be a sectarian spirit to follow - and - not really an altruistic one in many respects.
All the above are my views and questions...
M. Sufilight
----- Original Message -----
From: Ramanujachary nallanchakravarti
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 11:50 AM
Subject: Re: theos-talk The Philosophy of Theosophy
I wish to know what portion of the content of the pamphlet quoted is 'sectarian'.
Why is our correspondent referring to the constitution 1890, when it stands many times amended since?
Literature is for Portrayal of Philosophic Ideas.
Dr N C Ramanujachary(Srivirinchi)
Besant Gardens, The Theosophical Society, Adyar, Chennai 600 020
Phone: 044/24913584, Mobile: 9444963584
From: "M. Sufilight" <global-theosophy@v3XgYlR12NnZqU7CcgTAYCkSgNNc1GrBM4whO3Rau4t0cnjzM0kpWffFVnlE-I1EcJlHpB9MfUUHYfoXDHnqM-pZ.yahoo.invalid>
Sent: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 22:38:23
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Subject: Re: theos-talk The Philosophy of Theosophy
All right..
Let me rephrase my question...so that the original aim with the question might be understood better.
In the phamplet in mention we find the sentence:
"The major contribution of Madame Blavatsky was to bring into currency the 'metaphysical realism' and the workings on correspondences of the Cosmos, World and Individual."
I ask:
And is a doctrine - here - forwarded on Behalf of the Theosophical Society by the - so-called - leaders of the Society? And is this in contradiction or opposition to the original Constitution and Rules of the Society which I quoted an excerpt from in the previous post/email ???
M. Sufilight
----- Original Message -----
From: Hughes, Marcus
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 9:51 AM
Subject: RE: theos-talk The Philosophy of Theosophy
A single view ...........
Because who decides whether the following sentence is true ???:
You do ....................... true or false ??? a simple view.
.
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From: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com [mailto:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Sufilight
Sent: 29 August 2012 5:21 PM
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: theos-talk The Philosophy of Theosophy
A few views...
This phamplet seems clearly to have a Sectarian content or perhaps rather a sectarian wording...
An Absolutely non-Sectarian Society would never release such a Phamplet unless some words have been omitted by you...or...am I mistaken..?
Because who decides whether the followng sentence is true ???:
"The major contribution of Madame Blavatsky was to bring into currency the 'metaphysical realism' and the workings on correspondences of the Cosmos, World and Individual."
The individual member of the Society or the "leaders" (so-called) of the Society who decided to issue the Phamplet???
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Let us not forget the following was a part of the original programe in the early days of the Theosophical Society...
CONSTITUTION AND RULES OF THE THEOSOPHICAL SOCIETY
"ARTICLE I"
.......
The Theosophical Society is absolutely unsectarian"
.......
"ARTICLE XIII
Offences
1. Any Fellow who shall in any way attempt to involve the Society In political disputes shall be immediately expelled.
2. No Fellow, Officer, or Council of the Theosophical Society, or of any Section or Branch thereof, shall promulgate or maintain any doctrines being that advanced, or advocated by the Society.
http://www.teozofija.info/tsmembers/Rules_1890.htm
Why did they write all these words into the Constitution of the Theosophical Society if they meant something else, with the objects of the Society and how to promulagte altruism, - and that, as much as 15 years after the beginning of the existence of the Society?
And why did they get deleted from the TS Consitution later on in the years after the year 1910?
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M. Sufilight
----- Original Message -----
From: Ramanujachary
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com<mailto:theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 6:12 AM
Subject: theos-talk The Philosophy of Theosophy
The Indian Section Theosophical Society, in a pamphlet recently issued under the subject said the following:
" The philosophy of theosophy 'restores to the world the science of the Spirit.' It also 'illuminates the scriptures and doctrines
of the religions by unveiling their meanings, and thus justifying them at the bar of Intelligence, as they are ever justified in the eye of Intuition.'"
"The major contribution of Madame Blavatsky was to bring into currency the 'metaphysical realism' and the workings on correspondences of the Cosmos, World and Individual.
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"The basic work of the Society is to aid the spiritual regeneration of the World by the regeneration of Individuals. The study it encourages must evoke awareness of the essential needs of humanity, and help to make it healthy morally, psychologically and spiritually.
What makes theosophy unique is its statement that it is only 'a restatement of the eternal verities' and therefore is nobody's exclusive property."
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"Madame Blavatsky affirms that the earth will be a heaven in the 21st century in comparision with what it is now. It is for each one of us to see and make this a 'fact' rather than a mere ideal or a set-goal. Needless to say, the right understanding, both veral and practical, of theosophy alone will make this happen."
Dr N C Ramanujachary
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