Theos-Talk Archives (July 2012 Message tt00051)

Morten, 

 It takes me a while to find individual articles in my unosrted piles lol! The article I posted about wasnt in the LA Times, it was in the San Francisco Chronicle, Friday - March 6th, 1992, Page A-3, "Nation" section. Title of Article: "Bird God Discovery Means Mayans Flourished Earlier". The Archeological site was in Gautemala. A UCLA Archeologist, a research associate at the I sotope Âand Archeometry Laboratory at UCLA started excavating the site in 1988, called "Nakbe", in the Peten region of northern Guatemala.Startint at least 1000 B.C. Nakbe wasthe center of a thriving culture. The site was first sighted from the iar in 1930 , briefly explored in 1962 by Harvard Archeologist Ian Graham. The "frieze" i mentioned is 34 feet wide by 16 feet high and feat7ured a classic Tiahaunacan style Condor Head , it portrays a diety called "Itzam- Ye"associated with the creation of the Universe and with the Big Dipper Ursa Major, which i nthe Hindu symbolizes the seven kumara or seven rishis. 



 The article was written by San Francisco Chronicle Science Writer Charles Pitit. 



Prof. Arthuro Posnansky in his work "Tiahuanaco ---- Cradle of American man" traces certai n Tiahuanacan Glyphs from T iahuanaco to the Middle America to Mexico to South Western North Ameri ca to the Hopi, many American Indians have the symbol of the Thunderbird Âwhich can be a corrolate to the Condor. 



So far to my knowledge I can't find any public inventory of Nakbe or public publishing of the Temple of the Condor there. But here is the source I posted about and the important names and time. 

John 



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Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 11:36:36 AM 
Subject: Re: theos-talk Young or old Easter Island Statues 

 




Okay. 
I seek to be as scientific as possible and to counteract present day science. Theories are one thing - but doucmentation which hardly can be made away with is another. 

Is the newspaper clipping of the "Frieze of a Condor" available online? 
Are there more info on this issue? 

M. Sufilight 

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Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 7:53 PM 
Subject: Re: theos-talk Young or old Easter Island Statues 

Morten, 

Thanks for your comments and reply. Well Graham Hancock writes pretty stimulating books that also are interesting in the Von Donikin vei n of things, but I will rely on Posnansky and Schindler and Allen. Posnansky, a Civil Engineer, if anything knew how to accurately measure and survey, an exact science. Precision survey is an absolute necessity in Archeology. Civil Engineers are the persons who build cities and buildings and utilitys like sewage and water systems and tunnels using precision survey science, they can't make mistakes or there is a catastrophe. As I sai d I have Posnansky's principal work on Tiahuanaco, I don't need to rely on secondary sources which have a bad habit of bending reality at times. 

Morten, about the Great Idols of Tiahuanaco. It is a most tragic story, the spa nish who had domain in South America a century ago considered the most ancient remnants of Tiahuanaco a special Heritage of M ankind, the work of Demons and E vil spirits in their abyssmal ignorance, and destroyed all they could with little care for the emmense ancient story that was carved upon the artifacts. Many of the Great Statues , some 18 feet tall, carved from head to toes with replete glyphs which, depending on which statu e, carried information about their ancient sciences of astronomy, mathematics, chemistry etc., were smashed and broken to small stones to use as railroad ballast bedding for the railroad tracks. It was an emmense loss to all mankind. Let no one ever forgive them! 

One of the Great Idols was removed from Tiahuanaco and stands today in the city of Cuzco, it is 18 feet tall and weighs many tons. On the back of the left shoulder is carved the head of a Tarani saurus Rex Dinosaur, in addition one will see also an Elephant head with curled trunk carved on the G reat Idol. Schindler and Allen published a special Book dedicated to the knowledge carved upon this magnificient Heritage of M ankind titled "The Great Idol of Tiahuanaco" Faber and Faber, London, 1959, 192 pages. It is a rare book, I have it here in my library as well as all thei r other books they published: 

1.Built Before the Flood, 1963, 192 pages with many fold-out and diagramic translation of the glyphs, this work has especial dedication to the ancient "strand lines " of the past shores of L ake T iticaca which reveal the long history and ancient water boundarys that receded over a great many millenia . 

2. The Atlantis Myth, 168 pages, an investigation of possible explanation of the Atlantis story of Plato, and utilizes the theory's of Hans Horbiger a European researcher wh o developed theory similar to Imman uel Veliskovsky. 

3. A Life history of Our E arth, 272 pages 

4. The Book of R eve lation is History, 204 pages, lots of evaluation of biblical texts that try to ascertain ancient catra strophe theory. 

5. The Calender of Tiahaunaco , 440 pages many long fold-out displaying the orbital sinusoidal orbits of the sun and moon attronomical attitudes, the eclipse times, the below horizon positions, above horizon postions, the zenith zones of transit. The complete inventory of the analytical meanings of the glyphs and the glyphs themselves. This work is emmense refraction of ancient knowledge of "Orbital Reality" of the Celestial Heaven of our Planet, rela tive to the unity of the Sun-Moon-Earth Synergy. (It took me 2 years to get a understanding of their decipherment) Every single Glyph on the Gate of the Sun is inventoried and broken down into its compositional elements and analytical indications Astronomically. This work is a treasure! 

They in their works include split mapping of the idols and Gate of the Sun. The magnificient "genius" that also includes the mentioned extinct "Toxodon" as a principal glyph and astronomical symbol used in the 4th, 10th, 16th, and 22nd positions of the Haloes (0f the rayed heads) , except the Haloe of the First Twelfth of the Calendar Year H aloes where the "Puma Heads" (symbol of the Moon) are substituted instead . The toxodon Head also appears formed as the "elongated toes" of the "Solstice Trumpeteers" p laced on the Meander of the Gate of the Sun. The Toxodon glyph appears 46 times on the Solar year part of the Calendar of Tiahuanaco and always indicates a "Day light Event" and specifically indicates an event that tak es place at "Noon" . 

Tell me how they portayed species of Dinosaurs, extinct species, Pachyderms on carved Andesite and Granite with machine precision and machining when the current daters flippantly date it in the 1500 A.D. period at a time many thousands of years after the very last living, observable animal could possibly have been seen by a living man or stone mason in South America!! Impossible!! Total hyperbole in my view! I doubt any of them ever really read or studied the actual co ntents of Schindler and Allen's Works! 

As Madame Blavatsky proclaims There is no Religion Higher then Truth! They prefer to ignore Truth and probagate a lie and allow themselves to be reduced to agreeing slaves of falsehoods o r tempt expulsion from their primary vocation and censure for attempting to tell the Truth . 

One other example was the discovery in middle america several decades ago ( in the 1970's ) of a new Temple far removed from Peru or Bolivia that presented an emmense Frieze of a Condor on the Temple face, this discovery was sent into oblivion apparently intentially meaning to keep us all ignorant, the princiipal Archealogist has never s ince relea sed a smidgin of public review in over 30 years, I still have the Los Ang elu s times Newspaper article announcing and showing t he Condor Frieze and dis cussing the find, it is dispicable to store away a absolutely unique important find as this was from all who are not certified with special access for all this time! The Condor is the Symbol of the Sun on the Gate of the Sun at Tiahuanaco! 

John, 

A tiny statement lol. 

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To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 4:25:19 AM 
Subject: Re: theos-talk Young or old Easter Island Statues 

Dear John and frinds 

My views are: 

Perhaps. I prefer an open mind on these matters. 
About Tiahuanaco (or Tiwanaku). I have learned that some scientists - of the more respected kind - are giving the view on Tiahuanaco being far older, because of the various facts - som of which you have written about in the below. 

An example is this one on the not always reliable Graham hancock's website: 
(This article is showing evidence in favour of a more ancient dating is possible. - This is year 2012 science.) 
http://www.grahamhancock.com/forum/HancockS2-p1.htm 

Another more difficult to oppose article is this one: 

The Mystery of Tiahuanaco 
Compiled and Digitized by Glen W. Chapman-November 2003 
"There are numerous other statues which have been found at Tiahuanacu, several of which have 
found their way into various museums. Most have the incomprehensible stiff designs scattered 
about on their surfaces in the typical Tiahuanacu style. Some are rather large, and others are 
small. Depictions of toxodons and several other extinct creatures are plentiful at Tiahuanacu. The 
images of these extinct animals are understandable on pottery and textiles - they could be copied 
by anyone from the stone monuments dotting the area." 
http://chapmanresearch.org/PDF/The%20Mystery%20of%20Tihuanaco.pdf 

Toxodons got extinct 11.000 B.C. according to orthodox science! 
And mastodons 16.000 B.C. according to orthodox science! 

Let them try to explain this. 
I have not seen any opposition to this theory in the last article in the above. 

I have friends within archaeology, and they have neither given any opposing theory - although they are not experts with regard to the area. The only - word against it they uttered was that - the dating of the site might not be that reliable. Well then orthodox science must face the same problems with their very own - and - modest datings! This seem obvious based on the real scientific facts. 

Yes. I have seen a halpoid reference once on this issue. 
Another striking thing is that Blavatsky in her book the Secret Doctrine mentions that the script from the Eastern Island or nearby Islands in the Pacific have similarities to Middle Eastern ones. I have checked Blavatsky's references, and also more recent references online - and can confirm it. 

The honest scientific problem is dating such excavations are not at all that easy - and - scientist are not very prone to admit it in their official reports. And the Journalists (some no doubt very 4004 BC theoretical Christian in their leanings - or in their greed for saelling news) are not really helpful there in most cases. But various tv channels are however from time to time clearly highlighting the problems these days. 

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One of the more recent theories, which can be found on the Internet these days (even on Wikipedia I think), which (seriously!) are considered by orthodox science is that there are various signs on migration northward in meso-america - in the years about 12.000 BC. --- as beign more likely based on present day evidence than the opposite direction. The consercvative American archaeological theory on migration as late as 10.000 BC or before the last Ice Age --- is clearly slowly falling to pieces these days! 

Finding of a skeleton in Chile somewhere had a DNA similar to African-Astrualian DNA. 
Go figure... 

M. Sufilight 

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Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 12:11 PM 
Subject: Re: theos-talk Young or old Easter Island Statues 

Morten, 

You can't always trust what the Archeologists and Anthropologists decide is the "official" date stamp for a discovery. One prime example is Tiahuanaco,Bolivia a very ancient if not the oldest discovered site in the world which they, according to internal agreement in order to p reserve a false time-line of their own date at about the same period you posted. They hate to redact previous members dating as it would invali date all of them and cause loss of professional esteem and recognition. Arthur o Posnansky ( a Civil Engineer) was the primary cataloger of Tiahuanaco spending o ver 20 years there on situ and published his finding in "Tiahuanaco --- Cradle of American Man" 4 volumes, Published by the Government of Bolivia ( Posnansky is a "Hero" of the Bolivian People by Governmental proclamation in recognitio n of his work- I ha ve his work here). Pos nansk y, using the accredited "Formula" for dating using the measurement of the ecliptic of the sun angle according to the Temple construct measurement fixed the Middle Period of Tiahuanaco at 15,538 B.C.. The Paris Convention in Europe totally accepted his finding as valid while the American Convention rejected it, instead insisted on dating it to about 1500 AD. The y completely ignore that the Gate of the Sun and much of Tiahuanaco was buried by an ancient flood that had buried the artifacts under many feet o f flood depositions. Such floods did not happen in A.D. times. In addition none of the collective ar cheologists that lie ever succeeded in decipherment of the Tiahuanaco Glyphs which if they had, w ould also reveal the collective lying of the so-called professions.t was only Hans Schlindler Bellemy and American Professional Astronomer Peter Allen in their research that found a coherent analytical decipherment whic is published in their book "The Calendar of Tiahuanaco - The Measuring System of the Oldest Civilization", Faber and Faber Limited, London. 

If you go on Google Images and type in "Easter Island Monoliths" there is quite a lot to inspect in the Imges listing. Recently I received science newsletter that had update on the monoliths being further excavated and was focused on new views about the monoliths Glyphs that were revealed tihs year 2012. 

The history of the Easter Island people is not a pretty history, they deplated the isla nd of it trees and they split into two warring factions , the social order was destroyed in the process and there are artifact remnants that in dicated they resorted to cannibilism eventually. They are belie ved to be of Polynesion origins tracing back towards china, try searching halpoid group easter island. 

The links for the gallery off the monoliths you posted disallow the viewing of the photos of the statues, typical of regressive professionals. 

Easter Island at thetime of real occupation may have still had active volcanic activity that could have resulted in burying the monoliths in ash that solidified over time by compaction and contraction from heat loss. 

Here is an article I receiver only yesterday in a science bulle tin about a final view on origin of both american ans south american indian peoples. it declares there were 3 migration waves from "Asia" and far eastern Siberia across the Bering land bridge . The primary first migration and two secondary migrations in ancient times coeval to Plato's final submergence of Atla ntis 12000 to 8000 B.C. 

Native American populations from t hree key migrations 

>>> http://www.terradaily.com/reports/Native_American_populations_descend_from_three_key_migrations_999.html <<< 

If these migration proceed all the way down the coast of South America then the Easter Islander may have transferred from Coastal areas to the Island. 

John 

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Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 1:33:58 AM 
Subject: theos-talk Young or old Easter Island Statues 

Dear friends 

My views are: 

H. P. Blavatsky wrote: 
" "The Easter Isles in 'mid Pacific' present the feature of the remaining peaks of the mountains of a submerged continent, for the reason that these peaks are thickly studded with Cyclopean statues, remnants of the civilization of a dense and cultivated people, who must have of necessity occupied a widely extended area. On the back of these images is to be found the 'ansated cross' and the same modified to the outlines of the human form. A full description, with plate showing the land, with the thickly planted statues, also with copies of the images, is to be found in the January number 1870 of the London Builder." 
(Secret Doctrine, vol. I, p. 322) 
http://www.phx-ult-lodge.org/SDVolume_I.htm 

Now has anyone ever seen this map over the number of statues in the area? 

A lot was changed in the early days of Western "discoveries" - and - statues removed. And populations died out within a few decades on these islands. 

The Cyclopean statues are by science dated to a meagre year 1250 to 1500 After this era. 
Which of course account for some of them being covered with several centimeters or rather meters of soil due to natural aging of the environment? Or perhaps not? 

Soil levels are for instance shown here "Easter Island Statue Project": 
http://www.eisp.org/category/about/letters/ 

(They still use Routledge map from 1919 it seems - http://www.eisp.org/1781/ ) 

I still wonder about the very wide margin of difference in views between ordinary Science and Blavatsky on thsi issues. 
Both cannot be right it seems. 
So who are actually right? 

M. Sufilight 

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