Theos-Talk Archives (May 2012 Message tt00139)

Brother Cass;

You are repeating allegations we are all familiar with,but where is your documentation to Substantiate what you allege?
When and where did Mr. Leadbeater tell the world it was his duty to instruct boys in their sexual development?? Please cite your sources
for this information.Please also give court conviction record citations. You have no substantial sources, just rehashed gossip.

Also at that time the general atmosphere was still pervaded by a strong Victorian moral code. The very mention of the word "S-E-X"
was considered a moral offence. 

If you have ever read any Theosophy textbooks by Mr. Leadbeater,
you would see that he never co-mingles the 
theosophical teachings with his instruction about The Liberal Catholic Church. He keeps the writings separate, as they should be.
And also, he NEVER claims to be an "authority."He simply states what he sees, his understanding, and leaves room for further investigation.
Also cite where his Theosophical teachings deviate from those of   
H.P.B.  There is NO deviation, just an ability to simplify very abstract topics so the common person can get an idea of what "Theosophy" is all about.

IF you can provide citations and documentation for what you allege, your claims will carry greater weight. IF not, they are just rantings of a bigot.

William Delahunt



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--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva <silva_cass@...> wrote:
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> Well its time William that theosophists face up to the truth about these false prophets.  It was more than slander and gossip.  Leadbeater in his arrogance told the world that it was his duty to instruct these boys in their sexual development.  Get Real, the guy was a pervert.  He perverted the teachings of Blavatsky by introducing a christian approach, in order that he would become the global theosophical cum laude.  That Besant got sucked into his perversions indicates that she too, was more interested in fame and fortune than in the real truth.  Considering she started off as an athiest, the turnaround, was remarkable to say the least. 
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> And now we have to swallow Anand's idea that this paedophile is honoured with the title, Mahatma! Â 
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> Cass 
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> That the Star Amphitheatre was turned into a Vaudeville act was a fitting replacement.
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> The Star Amphitheatre
> The Star Amphitheatre
> The Star Amphitheatre was a Grecian Doric style structure built between 1923 and 1924 above Edwards Beach, at the northern end of Balmoral. It was a site described as having â??the best view from Balmoral Beach of the North Head of Sydney Harbourâ??.
> (Roe 1980, p104).
> The amphitheatre was designed by architects, J.E. Justelius & Son, and built by John Jamieson at a cost of 16,000 pounds. The architectural drawings showing the beach elevation indicate that it was three stories high, with the stage towering 21 metres (70 feet) above the beach. Un- derneath, at beach level, was a library, meeting halls, meditation and tea rooms. The Star Amphitheatre could seat 2000 people and had standing room for another 1000. The building was partly cut into the sandstone rock and partly
> constructed of concrete. (Souter, 1994, p167).
> At the time the Mosman Daily described it at the time as a â??remarkable building of massive beautyâ??.Why was it built?
> There are many myths surrounding the purpose of the Star Amphitheatre, the most sensational, which is still made by some media today, was to witness the second coming of the messiahâ?"walking on water through Sydney Heads!
> It was built by The Order of the Star in the East, an offshoot of the international Theosophical Society, which had been formed in 1913 by Mrs Annie Besant and Charles Webster Leadbeater. In 1914 Leadbeater left the headquarters in Adyar, India to establish a Sydney community.
> The Order of the Star in the East had been established to prepare the way for a new â??world teacherâ?? who would use the amphitheatre to address his audience. This teacher, Jiddu Krishnamurti had been found by Leadbeater as a young boy. He subsequently rejected this role as a messiah and only spoke there on one occasion.
> Mary Rocke, a retired doctor, member of the Theosophical Society, secretary and physician to Leadbeater, purchased three adjacent blocks of land sloping from Wyargine Street, Balmoral to the beach. With a loan of 4,000 pounds and the rest of the cost raised by selling subscription seats, the Star Amphitheatre was built on this site.
> The amphitheatre was described in the Theosophical publication The Star as â??a symbol in stone of that which our daily lives should be ...simple, pure, clean, dignifiedâ??. (Roe, 1980 p102).
> Leadbeater 1915
> Leadbeater was also the second Presiding Bishop in the Liberal Catholic Church. This church had been founded in Britain by Bishop J.I. Wedgwood in 1915 and was considered an esoteric church for the Theosophical Society.
> The Theosophical Society
> The Theosophical Society was founded in New York in 1875 by Mdm. Helena Petrovna Blavatsky growing out of spiritualism with influences from eastern religions and philosophies. It describes itself as a â??spiritual/ religious/philosophical societyâ?? with â??members united by a common search and aspiration for truth in their lives, not by a common
> beliefâ?? (www.austheos.org.au). The Theosophical Society began in Australia in 1894 and is still active today. In 2001 an International Conference was held in Sydney attracting 1000 members from around the world.
> Spiritualism was very popular in the early 20th century and membership included such people as the Prime Minister, Alfred Deakin and architect, Walter Burley Griffin.
> Co-Freemasonry
> In 1902 Annie Besant founded the first Co-Masonic order in London. This Movement had started in France in the late 19th century and was open to both men and women.
> What happened to the Star Amphitheatre
> In 1929 Krishnamurti, who succeeded Mrs Besant, dissolved the Order and the following year Leadbeater left Australia for a world tour. Leadbeater returned in 1934 only to pass away in Perth, the day after his arrival. The Star Amphitheatre was sold in 1931 to an entrepreneur, George (Humphrey?) Bishop, who used it for vaudeville and other live performances as well as installing a mini-golf course on the roof. After the Catholic Church bought the Amphitheatre in 1936 it fell into a state of disrepair. Oral history interviews in the Mosman Local Studies Collection bring to life memories of childhood games in the Amphitheatre. The Star Amphitheatre was demolished in 1951 by Urban Cooperative Multi Home Units No. 3 and replaced by a large block of 30 flats called Stancliff.
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> > From:t_s_theosophist <THEOSOPHIST@...>
> >To:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
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> >Subject:theos-talk A CALL FOR CIVILITY, AND RESPECTFUL DIALOGUE
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> >A CALL FOR CIVILITY AND RESPECTFUL DIALOGUE
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> >I for one, and I know that there are many others out there,
> >take exception and offense at Mr.Jacqua's previous post and
> >derogatory remarks about Dr. Annie Besant and Mr.Leadbeater.
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> >First there are many testimonials to the integrity and dedication of Dr.Besant. The following link will provide testimonials to the integrity of Mr.Leadbeater, if one is concerned in discovering the
> >TRUTH of things, and not merely rehashing unproven slander.
> >http://www.cwlworld.info/html/testimonies.html
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> >Mr. Leadbeaater was indeed a controversial figure, BUT
> >NO PROVEN FACTS OR CONVICTION WERE EVER established, just slander,
> >innuendo, and viscious gossip.
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> >We do NOT have to agree with or even like Mr.Leadbeater, but this gives us no right to bring up old slander and gossip to denigrate his personality.
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> >We have an inherent right to dis-agree with one another, that is NOT in question.  But to resort to emotional, biased flaming, and personal attacks does NOTHING to lend credibility to one's argument.
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> >Dr. Besant and Mr.Leadbeater were unique products of their time. They
> >in good faith followed what they percieved to be their special mission.  Many Theosophists around the world hold them in great esteem for the work they did.                                                                                                                                                                                                              No doubt, there will always be great differences of opinion among Theosophists about them, thats all OK.  We do NOT have to agree. But we should remain in respectful dialogue and seek a further understanding. Resorting to personal attacks, flaming, innuendo and gossip are never conducive to respecrtful dialogue. 
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> >We CAN dis-agree without being dis-agreeable.
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> >One can only hope that Theosophists will keep the tenor of their
> >discussions on a level that reflects the rational, thoughtful, and compassionate human beings we claim to be.
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> >Cordially and Fraternally;
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> >William Delahunt
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> >http://www.tso-orlando.org
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