Theos-Talk Archives (May 2012 Message tt00087)

In the long run, each teaching has its own labels, the subject is complex, however found these snippets. I too would like to understand the heirarchy of these eternal cosmic energies.

Cass

Blavatsky's treatment of the Oriental heritage points to the misinterpretation of major concepts originating in India, China, Tibet, and elsewhere. For example, the section titled "The Mystery of Buddha" contains some of the most profound chapters upon the whole question of buddhahood, of Cosmic Buddhas and human buddhas, and the relationship thereto of the Indian prince, Siddhartha, who became Gautama-Sakyamuni. They examine the doctrine of avataras, embodiments of divinity in which buddhas have a role to play, and illumine ,the sevenfold composition of the human being as a reflection of the constitution of the cosmos.

WHEN we use the term Buddhists, we do not mean to imply by it either the exoteric Buddhism instituted by the followers of Gautama Buddha, or the modern Buddhistic religion, but the secret philosophy of Sakyamuni, which in its essence is certainly identical with the ancient Wisdom-Religion of the sanctuary, the pre-Vedic Brahmanism. Neither Buddha, Pythagoras, Orpheus, Socrates, nor even Jesus, left behind them any writings. The esoteric teachings of Buddha were theÂGupta VidyaÂ(secret knowledge) of the ancient Brahmins, the key to which their modern successors have, with few exceptions, completely lost. And thisÂVidyaÂhas passed into what is now known as theÂinnerÂteachings of theÂMahayanaÂschool of Northern Buddhism.


As the reader is supposed not to be acquainted with the Dhyani-Buddhas, it is as well to say at once that,Âaccording to the Orientalists,Âthere are five Dhyanis who are the "celestial" Buddhas, of whom the human Buddhas are the manifestations in the world of form and matter. Esoterically, however, the Dhyani-Buddhas are seven, of whom five only have hitherto manifested, and two are to come in the sixth and seventh Root-races. They are, so to speak, the eternal prototypes of the Buddhas who appear on this earth, each of whom has his particular divine prototype. So, for instance, Amitabha is the Dhyani-Buddha of Gautama Sakyamuni, manifesting through him whenever this great Soul incarnates on earth as He did in Tzon-kha-pa [who was] the first and greatest Reformer who founded the "Yellow-Caps," Gyalugpas. He was born in the year 1355 A.D. in Amdo, and was theÂAvatarÂof Amitabha, the celestial name of Gautama Buddha.

The term Anupadaka, "parentless," or without progenitors, is a mystical designation having several meanings in the philosophy. By this name celestial beings, the Dhyan-Chohans or Dhyani-Buddhas, are generally meant. But as these correspond mystically to the human Buddhas and Bodhisattvas, known as the "Manushi (or human) Buddhas," the latter are also designated "Anupadaka," once that their whole personality is merged in their compound sixth and seventh principles -- or Atma-Buddhi, and that they have become "diamond-souled" (Vajrasattvas), the full Mahatmas. The mystery in the hierarchy of the Anupadaka is great, its apex being the universal Spirit-Soul, and the lower rung the Manushi-Buddha; and even every Soul-endowed man is an Anupadaka in a latent state.
As the synthesis of the seven Dhyani-Buddhas, Avalokiteswara was the first Buddha (the Logos), so Amitabha is the inner "God" of Gautama, who, in China, is called Amita(-Buddha). They are, as Mr. Rhys Davids correctly states, "the glorious counterparts in the mystic world, free from the debasing conditions of this material life" of every earthly mortal Buddha -- the liberated Manushi-Buddhas appointed to govern the Earth in this Round. They are the "Buddhas of Contemplation," and are all Anupadaka (parentless),Âi.e.,Âself-born of divine essence. The exoteric teaching which says that every Dhyani-Buddha has the faculty of creating from himself, an equally celestial son -- a Dhyani-Bodhisattva -- who, after the decease of the Manushi (human) Buddha, has to carry out the work of the latter, rests on the fact that owing to the highest initiation performed by one overshadowed by the "Spirit of Buddha" a candidate becomes virtually a Bodhisattva, created
 such by the High Initiator.

As to Gautama's being one of the true and undeniableÂSAVIOURSÂof the World, suffice it to say that the most rabid orthodox missionary, unless he is hopelessly insane, or has not the least regard for historical truth, cannot find one smallest accusation against the life and personal character of the "Buddha." Without any claim to divinity, allowing his followers to fall into atheism rather than into the degrading superstition of deva or idol-worship, his walk in life is from beginning to the end, holy and divine. During the forty-five years of his mission, it is as blameless and pure as that of a god -- or as the latter should be. He is a perfect example of a divine, godly man. He reached Buddhaship --Âi.e.,Âcomplete enlightenment -- entirely by his own merit and owing to his own individual exertions, no god being supposed to have anyÂpersonalÂmerit in the exercise of goodness and holiness. His is the only absolutelyÂbloodlessÂreligion among all
 the existing religions: tolerant and liberal, teaching universal compassion and charity, love and self-sacrifice, poverty and contentment with one's lot, whatever it may be. No persecutions, and enforcement of faith by fire and sword, have ever disgraced it. No thunder-and-lightning-vomiting god has interfered with its chaste commandments; and if the simple, human philosophical code of daily life left to us by the greatest Man-Reformer ever known, should ever come to be adopted by mankind at large, then indeed an era of bliss and peace would dawn on humanity.

http://www.blavatsky.net/magazine/theosophy/ww/additional/ListOfCollatedArticles/TheBuddhistDoctrine.html


ÂPage 406Emerging from ââ the most excellent seat of the three secrets [Sang-Sum], the Master of incomparable mercy, after having performed on all the anchorites the rite of ââ , and each of these having been cut
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* Does âTiani-Tsangâ stand for Apollonius of Tyana? This is a simple surmise. Some things in the life of that Adept would seem to tally with the hypothesisâothers to go against it.
â According to Esoteric teaching Buddha lived one hundred years in reality, though having reached NirvÃna in his eightieth year he was regarded as one dead to the world of the living. See article âSÃkya Muniâs Place in Historyâ in Five Years of Theosophy, pp. 365-88. [See also B.C.W., Vol. V, pp. 241-59.]Â
off,* perceived through [the power of] Hlun-Chubâ what was his next duty. The Most-Illustrious meditated and asked himself whether this would help [the future] generations. What they needed was the sight of MÃyà in a body of illusion. Which? . . . The great conqueror of pains and sorrows arose and proceeded back to his birthplace. There Sugata was welcomed by the few, for they did not know Shramana Gautama. âShÃkya [the Mighty] is in NirvÃna. . . He has given the Science to the Shuddhas [Shudra,] â said they of Damze Yul [the country of BrÃhmans: India] . . . . It was for that, born of pity, that the All-Glorious One had to retire to ââ, and then appear [karmically] as Mahà Shankara; and out of pity as ââ, and again as ââ, and again as Tsong-kha-pa. For, he who chooses in humiliation must go down, and he who loves not allows Karma to raise him.ââGodsâ can escape it as little as simple mortals. The Adept who, having reached
 the Path and won His DharmakÃyaâthe NirvÃna from which there is no return until the new grand Kalpaâprefers to use His right of choosing a condition inferior to that which belongs to Him, but that will leave him free to return whenever he thinks it advisable and under whatever personality He may select, must be prepared to take all the chances of failureâpossiblyâand a lower condition than was His lotâfor a certaintyâas it is an occult law. Karma alone is absolute justice and infallible in its selections. He who uses his rights with it (Karma) must bear the consequencesâif any. Thus Buddhaâs first reincarnation was produced by Karmaâand it led Him higher than ever; the two following were âout of pityâ and * * *
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Gautama Buddha is merged in NirvÃna ever since his death, Gautama SÃkyamuni may have had to reincarnateâthis dual inner personality being one of the greatest mysteries of Esoteric psychism.Â
âThe seat of the three secretsâ refers to a place inhabited by high Initiates and their disciples. The âsecretsâ are the three mystic powers known as Gopa, YaÅodhara, and Utpala VarnÃ, that Csomo de KÃrÃs mistook for Buddhaâs three wives, as other Orientalists have mistaken Sakti (Yoga power) personified by a female deity for His wife; or the DraupadÃâalso a spiritual powerâfor the wife in common of the five brothers PÃnd ava.http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v14/mb_004.htm


Emil Schlagintweit writes:
Thus, to each human Buddha belongs a DhyÃni-Buddha, and a DhyÃni-Bodhisattva, and the unlimited number of the former also involves an equally unlimited number of the latter.*
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* Buddhism in Tibet. . . . p. 52, [London, Susil Gupta, 1968.] This same generic use of a name is found among Hindus with that of amkarÃchÃrya, to take but one instance. All His successors bear his name, but are not reincarnations of Him. So with the âBuddhas.â

Our Lord Buddhaâa sixth r. manâÂÂ(12)
Plato and Confucius were fifth round men and our Lord a sixth round man . . .Â(13)
. . . the old, very old fact distinctly taught by our Lord . . .Â(14)
"The right in thee is base, the wrong a curse," was said by our Lord Buddha for such as she; . . .Â(15)
The Devachan, or land of "Sukhavati," isÂallegoricallyÂdescribed by our Lord Buddha himself.Â(16)
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>Cass, 
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> In the Buddhist History of tha Buddha and his direct Disciples who were present to recei ve his discourse, the Classic Sutra's of Buddhism Âbegin with the words "Thus I have Heard" (the words of the Buddha). Because of the fact that they were there physically present with the Buddha to hear the true authentic spoken words and because they heard the words with thei r ears and thei r senses they are named "The H earers" an alternate term is "A uditor" "One who hears or listens". Maitreya was one of the living Hearers present at the time the Buddha w as teaching and Ma itreya 
>Âwas not the boss of the Buddha. This is a problem, how can Theosophists know truth when they refuse to study? My Tripitaka Master The VenerableÂAbbot of the City of 10,000 Buddhas Tripitaka Master Hsuan Hua who gave me my lay vows used to tell his monks and nuns "if you want to stay in bed and not come to class to be taught go ahead, it is ok". Sloth is not a virtue. 
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>ÂÂÂThere is real History and false history , take you choice. I belie ve one should look to see what happened in the past to know hwat is tru e in this future, Read the links sometime, even thorugh they may bore and irritate some , many good student will discern how certain contents align to the frame Blavatsky teaches, which is a val idation that a consistancy is present. 
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>Gautama was only one of the B uddha's. The Bodhisattva Avaloki tes vara is " He who looks upon the world", the Earth Store Bodhisattve Sutra ( the 8th Consciousness of Buddhism) concerns him. The Earth Store Consciousness is the Earth store house of the past, present and future of action and karma. An yone can read the sutra, it is not a new teaching it is old , c enturies old. Buddhism has taught this for many centuries. 
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>Ah well, best regards, 
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>John 
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>From: "Cass Silva" <silva_cass@SDq708KWj4V32-df17FYmSQ4RwJd_sv80PD-1yj0nc0GtnPgV7SlFHWEDq8_Pwq8xV1YPEWtgGfdwk51.yahoo.invalid> 
>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
>Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 5:40:05 PM 
>Subject: Re: theos-talk Initiations 
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>What's a hearer? ÂMy understanding is that Lord Maitreya is the boss of Gautama, but that he also overshadowed Gautama. ÂThere is much confusion with this subject. 
>I received this information from a member of the Melbourne Esoteric Circle who felt I should have this knowledge. ÂInterestingly enough through this subject have found other esoteric teachings regarding the Initiation cycle. 
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>Silent Watcher - 10th Initiation 
>Lord of the World - 9th Initiation 
>Pratyeka Buddah - 8th Initiation 
>Manu - 7th Initiation 
>Chohan - 6th Initiation 
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>The Lord of the World wills and orders all events for men and angels - within his consciousness is recorded everything which happens on all the seven planes of our globe. ÂHis aura pervades the entire earth therefore he is aware of all that happens within that Aura. ÂNo act is so secrete but he knows, no injustice so small but he records it. ÂThe King is an adept of the Venus scheme came here 6.5 million years ago after humanity was transferred from the Moon Chain to the Earth Chain. ÂHe is known as Sanat Kumara. 
>Sanat Kumara, the Eternal Virgin youth, for his body, though physical is not born of woman but was made by Kriyasakti - will power and it never ages. 
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>Around the King are 4 Great Devarajas who adjust the Karma of Men - the Lords of Karma (cass: presumably operate through the aura of SK) ÂHe has three pupils and assistants who came from Venus 
>Sanandana, Sanaka, Sanatana. ÂThe Four Devarajas are called the Lords of the Flame. ÂThe four Lords of the Flame are known as the Head, the Heart, the Soul and the Seed of undying knowledge - the Pratyeka Buddhas - Solitary Buddhas. 
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>The Lord of the World or Sanat Kumara works with the Lords of Karma (love aspect) and also The Boddhisatva (wisdomn aspect) and under Boddhisatva is Maitreya who as I said is the Lord of all Religions, and from which 6th initiation teachers come to humanity to release more knowledge. 
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>Big assumption here, but my thinking is that Gautama took his 7th or 8th initiation under the watchful eye of his boss, Lord Maitreya. 
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>The 7th initiation takes on the Manu of a Root Race of a globe. ÂHe directs the building of variant after variant of the sub races and Himself incarnates in each sub race to set the form for it. ÂAfter his work as a Manu is completed he passed on to take the 8th Initiation of a Pratyeka Buddha, and aeons later to take the 9th Initiation that of a Lord of the World. 
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>As I have not studied esoteric Buddhism I cannot make the comparisons between the names given and the work they do. 
>Cass 
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>>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
>>Sent: Friday, 11 May 2012 7:34 PM 
>>Subject: Re: theos-talk Christ Thread Question 
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>>Cass, 
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>> Maitreya was a Hearer of the Buddhaof our age Prince Siddartha Shakyamuni Tathagatha. The Buddha spoke to Maitreya reminding him of his past merits and life times and told Maitreya that in the future he would become the Buddha of the end of the Kaliyug Age. Maitreya became a Bodhisattva and since his passing resides in the Tushita Heaven located in the Sambhogakaya Realm which due to it's instrinsic nature is beyond the realm of contact with those of this Plane, it is beyond the Physical and Nirmanykaya Realms. The off ice of Maitreya as the Kalki Avatar Buddha upon the consumation of the Kali Yug will preside the Pralaya hence he rides the Wh ite Horse of the Purusha. He is origin within the B uddhist and Hindu Religion Teachings and it is not a Christian teaching. The Sutra Link ÂI posted recently" T h e Mahaprajnaparamita Manjusriparavarta Sutra" a classic Buddhist/Tibetan Sutra of the Buddhist Paradigm contains a dialog between the Buddha 
>and Maitreya as I indicated above. Most Theosophists do not have exposure to classical origin teaching of the Buddhist or Hindu or others important "Q" source teaching that later people in a form of abuse of a parent burgularize for thier own purp ose and use without giving due recognition and credits. Â The "Avatar cycle" in it's classical form consists of 10 Avatar descents, the 1st and the last are the profound full aspect of the spiritual presencing that is not veiled or obscure . The 2nd through the 9th (8 Avatars are "Minor Avatars" that are sp read throuhg the Manvantaric cycle at appropiate interval, these are more like the Tulku use of the Consciousness i n a resident physical Âliving human person who become the traducere Illuminati through which the teaching is probagated. The Triyatrimsa or three Heavenly divisions of Buddhism - ÂNirm anakaya (of the Physical or non-physical), Sambhogakaya (the Realm of Bliss and Peace of the B 
>odhisattva's (Maitreya resides there until the end of the K ali Yug) Âand others, and the Dharmakaya the Real m of the Absolute., This in some aspects par elell some veiled Christian teaching such as when Jesus the Christos tells the apostles "Upon my return, up on my Par oashia, upon the consummation of the ages, I will be seen coming upon the White Cloud" can be related to the completion of the 4 great Hindu Ages ending with the Kali Yug with the pralaya presided by both the figure of Maitreya and the Chrestos because they are the Purush it self at the time hence the White Horse for M aitreya (The Purush) and upon the White Cloud (The Purush) Âfor the Chrestos. The Purush is the Alone Begotte n Sonship of the Absolute. 
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>>Âhere are a couple of online reference links: 
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>>The Heaven of the 33 Gods of Buddhism 
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>>>>> http://www.tientai.net/teachings/dharma/6realms/33gods.htm <<< 
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>>The Realm of Heaven Map 
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>>>>> http://www.tientai.net/teachings/dharma/6realms/heavenmap.htm <<< 
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>>and corre lates from the Vedic School 
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>>Vedic Gods and Goddesses 
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>>>>> http://www.hinduwebsite.com/hinduism/vedicgods.asp <<< 
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>>Mai treya the Future Buddha 
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>>>>> http://books.google.com/books?id=Pz6okTs7wdAC&pg=PA55&lpg=PA55&dq=Maitreya+Vyakarana&source=bl&ots=fzG3QWQmOL&sig=-FqFkgHTMboqhOb5gByrFpkRMrM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=VnFRT9S7LajZiALN4PS0Bg&sqi=2&ved=0CCYQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=Maitreya%20Vyakarana&f=false <<< 
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>>Avatar -Wikipedia 
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>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avatar <<< 
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>>Kalki Definition 
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>>>>> http://www.answers.com/topic/kalki-2 <<< 
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>>In Buddhism there are 10 Levels of consciousness called the Ten Stages of the Bodhisattva Consciousness. and there are 7 divisions of the Being, it totals 17 the Pythagorean number and a number that often is seen of Theosophy im portance. The teaching was anciently given in theÂSaptadasabhumi Sutra but this seems to have been "obscured" awaiting a terton at presence.Madame Blavatsky t aught the "Sapta" seven fold economy, the Mahayana teach the Dasa 10 fold consciousness that composesÂthe 10 Âarri vals of the Bodhisattva fullness of consciusness. 
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>>Bhumi- ten stages - wikipedia 
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>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bh%C5%ABmi_ (Buddhism)<<< 
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>>The Great Treatise on the Stages Âof the Path to Enlightenment 
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>>>>> http://books.google.com/books?id=yIbT5Hrr1NYC&pg=PA415&lpg=PA415&dq=sapta-dasa-bhumi+sutra&source=bl&ots=tOIz58FXEq&sig=qRE76SrWRxqUDUshByHpQNkSW4U&hl=en&sa=X&ei=hRtwT--bLs_PiAKk5qDKBQ&ved=0CC8Q6AEwAjgK#v=onepage&q=sapta-dasa-bhumi%20sutra&f=false <<< 
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>>Ten Stages Sutra - Wikipedia 
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>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Stages_Sutra <<< 
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>>ÂL ike the Avatar Cycle, there are the 10 stages of consciousness, in the Greek there is the Nous 10 also 
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>>Princess Mandarava ( Padmasambhava made a prophecy of the future incarnation of Mandarava) 
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>>>>> http://www.thangka.ru/history/he_padmadsat_5.html <<< 
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>>At any rate the Yoga Sutra and many teaching indicate that Ignorance is not a help to enlightenment and ignoring what already was the parent leaves one at a los to find right explanations, just my personal view. 
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>>Best wishes to all 
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>>John 
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>>Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 8:10:19 PM 
>>Subject: Re: theos-talk Christ Thread Question 
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>>My understanding, which is very limited, is that Maitreya is the 'boss' of all world teachers. ÂHe is unable to manifest himself 'in the flesh' because of his advanced spiritual vibrational rate. Â Therefore, when the time is karmically ripe, Âhe overshadows another Master of Wisdom, whose vibrational rate still has correspondence with our physical plane vibrational rate. ÂOne must be a master soul operating entirely from his own Higher Self. ÂThis 'master' or 'chosen one' then lays aside his own selfness in order to transmit the higher consciousness of this higher being, but only on a temporary basis. ÂThe master, more or less, I guess, channels the consciousness of Maitreya in short bursts, until the appropriate knowledge is given to humanity. ÂI imagine a permanent overshadowing would cause the receivers apparatus to blow a fuse. ÂTherefore, what Creme is saying about the Maitreya imo, is quite incorrect. ÂHowever, would also be interested 
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>>hearing others ideas on this subject. 
>>Cass 
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>>>To: " theos-talk@yahoogroups.com " < theos-talk@yahoogroups.com > 
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>>>Subject: theos-talk Christ Thread Question 
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>>>Hi i been kind of vaguely following your thread on the Christ and so on.. 
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>>>Just out of personal interest.. How does one know if he/she actually has the Christ consciousness? 
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>>>Like say for example someone was overshadowed by Maitreya and that energy was within that said person but then left, then is that person still Christ conscious? 
>>>Like during their overshadowing they were able to experience life through Christ consciousness but then the ability to hold that experience dissipated over say a few weeks. 
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>>>Is that person still of Christ consciousness and if not then what of the knowledge and wisdom of that experience living on in the said person.. a knowing of something beyond accepted thought. 
>>>Like knowing in that moment that you are the all, everything is within you and everything outside of you is part of you.. That you have a higher purpose to reach out and create positive loving change with every breath, thought and action of each passing second.. 
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>>>Like i believe now that we are all capable of getting there.. some through meditation some through psychedelics and some just naturally gifted.. ultimately isn't that where we are all heading to anyways..its just a matter of time before the Christ consciousness becomes a mainstream buzz word.. perhaps... 
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>>>Still id like your input on the questions in my train of thought for further discussion.. 
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>>>Thanks, 
>>>A. 
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>>>From: Jeremy Condick < jpcondick2011@qqk0QtkMyhrDdLy_sX-Z6VBhi-ELynjH255YHWhJty6HGm7_L-lRN8vA7tMwKlaDFceFrOPO3byPaZsakbey.yahoo.invalid > 
>>>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
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>>>Subject: RE: theos-talk Re: "... the Christ is the direct Master of mahatma KH...." 
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>>>"It had also escaped him [A.P. Sinnett] for the moment, no doubt, that among the group of Initiates to which his [Sinnett's] own mystical correspondent [Koot Hoomi] is allied, are two [Initiates] of European race, and that one [Initiate] who is that Teacher's [Koot Hoomi's] Superior is also of that origin [European], being half a Slavonian in his 'present incarnation,' as he himself wrote to Colonel Olcott in New York. " Lucifer, October, 1888, p. 173; reprinted in H.P.B.'s Collected Writings, Volume X, p. 153. 
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>>>JPC: These three adepts are suggested as being "SERAPIS BEY (Ellora Section), "POLYDORUS ISURENUS (Section of Solomon), "ROBERT MORE (Section of Zoroaster) representing three sections of the Luxor brotherhood. Serapis Bey was known as "the Egyptian" and was the chief or head of the Luxor brotherhood. He is said to be Greek by birth though having long been associated with the Egyptian lodge. This might be compared with the quotation I earlier submitted which I think contrasts the "semi European Greek brother" from the Master of KH the all powerful Chohan and Chief mentioned in my letter. This quotation is again submitted below. It should be noted in this passage that the Master of KH the chief Chohan "finally permitted me" KH to "extent a portion of my time to the progress of the Eclectic". Again note that the semi European Greek brother, Serapis, would not help in that at that time. Serapis may be the more advanced Chohan perhaps but not the Chief 
>Chohan 
>>>"our Supreme Chief" and KH' direct Master, as explained. Serapis and the Christ or 'Supreme Chief' appear two seperate persons. The ray affinity between KH and the Christ is the second ray. 
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>>>"One other Master may here be briefly mentioned, the Master Serapis, frequently called the Egyptian. He is the Master upon the fourth ray, and the great art movements of the world, the evolution of music, and that of painting and drama, receive from him an energizing impulse. At present he is giving most of his time and attention to the work of the deva, or angel evolution, until their agency helps to make possible the great revelation in the world of music and painting which lies immediately ahead. More about him cannot be given out, nor can his dwelling place be revealed." IHS 60. AAB. 
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>>>H. P. Blavatsky was the immediate agent of the Masters from the inception of the Society until her death, and every other associate was subordinate in real authority. But she received help and instruction from other Adepts as well as from M. and K.H. The words "from India direct," which she uses in the memorandum just quoted, are significant as they evidently mean that the orders came from her personal Master, M. In her New York period she was largely under the protection of a Section of the Great Lodge which has its center in Egypt, and whose Chief was then privately spoken of as Serapis Bey. In several places Olcott makes interesting references to this occult group under the name of "The Brotherhood of Luxor," and K.H. also mentions them in the Mahatma Letters (p. 116), but less is said about them than about the Tibetan Brotherhood. H. P. Blavatsky and the Theosophical Movement by Charles J. Ryan Copyright  1975 by Theosophical University Press. 
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>>>"SERAPIS BEY (Ellora Section) 
>>>"POLYDORUS ISURENUS (Section of Solomon) 
>>>"ROBERT MORE (Section of Zoroaster) 
>>>"(...) By Order of the Grand \ TUITIT BEY 
>>>"Observatory of Luxor, Tuesday Morning, Day of Mars." (HPB Speaks I, 8) 
>>> http://blavatskyarchives.com/sisson1.htm#8. John King - Master Serapisâ Helper 
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>>>"And because you recognise this great principle of personal observation, and are not slow to put into practice what you have acquired in the way of useful information, is perhaps the reason why the hitherto implacable Chohan my Master has finally permitted me to devote to a certain extent a portion of my time to the progress of the Eclectic. But I am but one and you are many, and none of my Fellow Brothers with the exception of M. will help me in this work, not even our semi-European Greek Brother who but a few days back remarked that when "every one of the Eclectics on the Hill will have become a Zetetic then will he see what he can do for them." And as you are aware there is very little hope for this." Yours sincerely, K.H. Letter 11. 1881. 
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>>>> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
>>>> From: danielhcaldwell@HLHuh0QfqmYCDp21fR6JmsmALY-46vFQZ4MM0d0CPMNjbgs-awPRizgXp2AWcYxB1MEYPH_esKAzTOlsfEi8.yahoo.invalid 
>>>> Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 15:31:55 +0000 
>>>> Subject: theos-talk Re: "... the Christ is the direct Master of mahatma KH...." 
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>>>> One wonders where this list of rays and corresponding Masters originated from. What year? Whar source? 
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>>>> I would suggest that the primary sources that I gave and that can be found at 
>>>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/57915 should be carefully 
>>>> read and studied. As far as I can see, Serapis is the teacher of Koot Hoomi based on the most primary sources. 
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>>>> Daniel 
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>>>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/57915 
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>>>> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com , Jeremy Condick <jpcondick2011@...> wrote: 
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>>>> > The Chohan Serapis (or Maha Sahib): Adept of Egyptian Section. 
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>>>> > Serapis is of Egyptian origin and not therfore European. He is the Master on the Fourth ray. 
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>>>> > KH and his Master the Christ, are both on the Second ray line. 
>>>> > JPC. 
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>>>> > > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
>>>> > > From: danielhcaldwell@... 
>>>> > > Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 22:22:58 +0000 
>>>> > > Subject: theos-talk "... the Christ is the direct Master of mahatma KH...." 
>>>> > > 
>>>> > > Who is the direct Master of KH? Who is Koot Hoomi's Master? 
>>>> > > 
>>>> > > Madame Blavatsky wrote a very interesting and suggestive remark in Lucifer: 
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>>>> > > "It had also escaped him [A.P. Sinnett] for the moment, no doubt, that among the group of Initiates to which his [Sinnett's] own mystical correspondent [Koot Hoomi] is allied, are two [Initiates] of European race, and that one [Initiate] who is that Teacher's [Koot Hoomi's] Superior is also of that origin [European], being half a Slavonian in his 'present incarnation,' as he himself wrote to Colonel Olcott in New York. " Lucifer, October, 1888, p. 173; reprinted in H.P.B.'s Collected Writings, Volume X, p. 153. 
>>>> > > 
>>>> > > This is a quite fascinating statement by HPB that Koot Hoomi's Superior was of European origin and was "half a Slavonian in his 'present incarnation.' " HPB also tells us that this latter information was conveyed to Colonel Olcott in New York in a letter written by the Adept Superior. 
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>>>> > > A.P. Sinnett had a remarkable encounter with the Master K.H. Sinnett wrote in a brief note of the experience: 
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>>>> > > "I saw K.H. in astral form on the night of 19th of October, 1880, --- waking up for a moment but immediately afterwards being rendered unconscious again (in the body) and conscious out of the body in the adjacent dressing-room where I saw another of the Brothers afterwards identified with one called 'Serapis' by Olcott, --- 'the youngest of the chohans.' " The Mahatma Letters, Letter No. 3a in the first three editions. 
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>>>> > > Some four years later, while William Judge was in London and on a visit to Mr. Sinnett's home, the following interesting conversation ensued. Mr. Judge wrote: 
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>>>> > > "I asked him [A.P. Sinnett] about his sight of K.H. and he related thus: 'He was lying in his bed in India one night [see above], when suddenly awakening, he found K.H. standing by his bed. He rose half up, when K.H. put his hand on his head, causing him to fall at once back on the pillow. He then, he says, found himself out of the body, and in the next room, talking to another adept whom he describes as an English or European, with light hair, fair, and of great beauty. This is the one [adept] Olcott described to me in 1876 and called by name -------. Please erase that when read. . . . S[innett] says he [the European adept] is very high. . . ." Letters That Have Helped Me, Theosophy Company edition, p. 196. 
>>>> > > 
>>>> > > Notice that this adept called Serapis is described as "English or European, with light hair, fair, and of great beauty." 
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>>>> > > In 1883, Colonel Olcott was healing people with his mesmeric "power". He relates the following experience: 
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>>>> > > "On the day in question, while under treatment for his eyes, upon which business my thoughts were closely concentrated, [Badrinath Babu, the patient] . . . suddenly began describing a shining man whom he saw looking benevolently on him. His clairvoyant sight, had, it seemed, become partially developed, and what he saw was through closed eyelids. From the minute description he then proceeded to give me, I could not fail to recognise the portrait of one of the most revered of our Masters. . . .[Badrinath] described to me an individual with blue eyes, light flowing hair, light beard, and European features and complexion. . . . The description...fitted accurately a real personage, the Teacher of our Teachers [KH and M.], a Paramaguru, as one such is called in India, and who had given me a small colored sketch of himself in New York, before we left for Bombay. . . ." Old Diary Leaves, Volume III, 430-1. 
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>>>> > > It is on record that the Master Serapis gave Colonel Olcott "a small colored sketch of himself in New York." See Letters from the Masters of Wisdom, Series II. 
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>>>> > > Concerning Colonel Olcott's mesmeric healing, Master Koot Hoomi wrote to A.P. Sinnett: 
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>>>> > > "This [healing] is all done thro' the power of a lock of hair sent by our beloved younger Chohan to H. S. O." 
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>>>> > > This is KH's comment on a newspaper article titled "Cures Effected by Colonel Olcott in Calcutta by Mesmeric Passes" that was published in the Calcutta Indian Mirror. See The Letters of H. P. Blavatsky to A. P. Sinnett, Appendix III. 
>>>> > > 
>>>> > > Confirmation that the Superior or Master of both Masters Koot Hoomi and Morya was Serapis is again found in this statement by Henry Olcott: 
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>>>> > > "One of the greatest of them, the Master of the two Masters [KH and M] about whom the public has heard. . . . , wrote me on June 22, 1875: 
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>>>> > > 'The time is come to let you know who I am. I am not a disembodied spirit, Brother, I am a living man; gifted with such powers by our Lodge as are in store for yourself some day. I cannot be with you otherwise than in spirit, for thousands of miles separate us at present. . . . .' " Old Diary Leaves, Volume I, p. 237. 
>>>> > > 
>>>> > > From the above material, it would appear that Serapis, one of the Chiefs or Chohans of the Occult Brotherhood, was the Superior or Teacher of both Master K.H. and Master M. 
>>>> > > 
>>>> > > Daniel H. Caldwell 
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