Theos-Talk Archives (May 2012 Message tt00051)

Dear friends


A few views might be helpful...


Here are a few quotes about where the divine "Christ" principle really resides...Namely not outside the human being. Because the esoteric doctrine says the Christ Principle is inside each human being.
Therefore NO true esoteric seeker will ever give emphasis on Externalizing any true Avatar, because they (for various reasons of their own) find themselves it to be good idea to drag a high initiated down into this ugly phyiscal place. They - instead meditate on the "Christ" Principle WITHIN themeselves so that they may be of service to humanity and the universe. - This is true esoteric teaching. Not the usual Christian saviour prayers to external creatures of fancy...Read the below quotes and learn...

Now I do not agree upon the following formulations by Alice A. Bailey...

Alice A. Bailey wrote on Invocation - The Great Invocation:
"This is called the invocation of the Great White Lodge. Much of this invocation of the Christ principle is carried forward by true believers in all lands (Christian and non-Christian) who address themselves to the Christ, no matter under what name they recognize Him and then, with love in their hearts to Him and their fellowmen, seek to ameliorate [151] world conditions, end hatred and misery and demonstrate goodwill everywhere. This refers to the first stage of evoking the response to love and understanding in human hearts and minds as the result of the invocation of the Christ and of the Christ principle. Ponder on these words and see on every hand the process going forward. Esoteric students are apt to over-estimate the effectiveness of the work that they are doing. The focused aspiration and the unselfish struggle to serve which characterizes millions of people in the world who do pray to, follow and seek to invoke the great spiritual head of the Hierarchy, the Master of all Masters, the Christ, has now reached a point of true and real effectiveness."
(The Externalization of the Hierarchy, p. 151)
http://www.light-weaver.com/links/kingsgarden.books.htm


Alice A. Bailey wrote supporting the view that the Christian religion is better than other religions:
"We have seen that the Christian revelation unified in itself the teachings of the past. This, Christ Himself pointed out when He said, "Think not that I am come to destroy the law or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil." (St. Matt., V, 17.) He embodied all the past, and revealed the highest possibility to man. The words of Dr. Berdyaev, in Freedom and the Spirit, throw light on this:

"The Christian revelation is universal, and everything analogous to it in other religions is simply a part of that revelation. Christianity is not a religion of the same order as the others; it is, as Schleiermacher said, the religion of religions. What does it matter if within [11] Christianity, supposedly so different from other faiths, there is nothing original at all apart from the coming of Christ and His Personality; is it not precisely in this particular that the hope of all religions is fulfiled? - Freedom and the Spirit, by Nicholas Berdyaev, pp. 88-89."
(From Bethlehem to Calvary, p. 10-11)
http://www.light-weaver.com/links/kingsgarden.books.htm


Alice A. Bailey wrote That Muhammad was no Avatar, but Christ was and about Prayer:
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"Such an one was the Christ; He was twice an Avatar because He not only struck the keynote of the new age (over two thousand years ago) but He also, in some mysterious and incomprehensible manner, embodied in Himself the divine Principle of Love; He was the first to reveal to men the true nature of God. The invocative cry of humanity (the second of the incentives producing a divine Emergence) is potent in effect because the souls of men, particularly in concerted action, have, in them something which is akin to the divine nature of the Avatar. We are all Gods, all the children of the One Father, as the latest of the Avatars, the Christ, has told us."
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"This new Invocation, if given widespread distribution, can be to the new world religion what the Lord's Prayer has been to Christianity and the 23rd Psalm has been to the spiritually minded Jew. There are three approaches to this great Prayer or Invocation:
1.
That of the general public.
2.
That of the esotericists, or of the aspirants and the disciples of the world.
3.
That of the Members of the Hierarchy.
First, the general public will regard it as a prayer to God Transcendent. They will not recognize Him yet as immanent in His creation; they will send it forth on the wings of hope - hope for light and love and peace, for which they ceaselessly long. They will also regard it as a prayer for the enlightenment of all rulers and leaders in all groups who are handling world matters; as a prayer for the inflow of love and understanding among men, so that they may live in peace with one another; as a demand for the working out of the will of God - a will of which they can know nothing and which ever seems to them so inscrutable and so all-inclusive that their normal reaction is patience and a willingness to refrain from questioning; as a prayer for the strengthening of human responsibility in order that the recognized evils of today - which so distress and [33] trouble mankind - may be done away with and some vague source of evil may be harnessed. They will regard it finally as a prayer that some equally vague primeval condition of blissful happiness may be restored and all unhappiness and pain disappear from the earth. This is, for them, entirely good and helpful and all that is immediately possible."
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"The use of this Invocation or Prayer and the rising expectancy of the coming of the Christ hold out the greatest hope for mankind today. If this is not so, then prayer is no use and only an hallucination, and the Scriptures of the world, with their proved forecasting, are useless and deceiving. The testimony of the ages proves that none of this is so. Prayer always is answered and always has been; great Sons of God have ever come on humanity's demand and always will, and He for Whom all men wait today is on His way. [36]"
(The Reappearence of the Christ, p. 10 + 35-36).
http://www.light-weaver.com/links/kingsgarden.books.htm

Alice A. Bailey wrote:
"Divine ideation passes from the abstract to the concrete or visible form.
a. The objective is an emanation of the subjective. - S. D., I, 407."
( A Treatise on Cosmic Fire, p. 1063, footnote )

I would say true...despite the reference to the Secret Doctrine is to the Third Edition published by Annie Besant, with thousands of alterations.
The same with all the other references to the Secret Doctrine in that book by Alice A. Bailey. claimed ot be dictated by a Master named D.K.

Alice A. Bailey wrote about Western Supremacy:
"The task of the Western disciple is much harder, but that which he will prove to himself and to the world as a whole will be still higher. This is to be expected if the evolutionary process means anything. The Western races must move forward into spiritual supremacy, without obliterating the Eastern contribution, and the functioning of the Law of Rebirth holds the clue to this and demonstrates this necessity. The [180] tide of life moves from East to West as moves the sun, and those who in past centuries struck the note of Eastern mysticism must strike and are now striking the note of Western occultism. "
(Glamour - A World Problem, p. 179-180)
http://www.light-weaver.com/glamour/glam1069.html

Glamour indeed...as far as I am concerned....


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H. P. Blavatsky wrote:
IS IT NECESSARY TO PRAY?

ENQUIRER. Do you believe in prayer, and do you ever pray?
THEOSOPHIST. We do not. We act, instead of talking.

ENQUIRER. You do not offer prayers even to the Absolute Principle?
THEOSOPHIST. Why should we? Being well-occupied people, we can hardly afford to lose time in addressing verbal prayers to a pure abstraction. The Unknowable is capable of relations only in its parts to each other, but is non-existent as regards any finite relations. The visible universe depends for its existence and phenomena on its mutually acting forms and their laws, not on prayer or prayers.

 ENQUIRER. Do you not believe at all in the efficacy of prayer?
THEOSOPHIST. Not in prayer taught in so many words and repeated externally, if by prayer you mean the outward petition to an unknown God as the addressee, which was inaugurated by the Jews and popularised by the Pharisees.


ENQUIRER. Is there any other kind of prayer?
THEOSOPHIST. Most decidedly; we call it WILL-PRAYER, and it is rather an internal command than a petition.

ENQUIRER. To whom, then, do you pray when you do so?
THEOSOPHIST. To "our Father in heaven" â in its esoteric meaning.

 ENQUIRER. Is that different from the one given to it in theology?
THEOSOPHIST. Entirely so. An Occultist or a Theosophist addresses his prayer to his Father which is in secret (read, and try to understand, ch. vi. v. 6, Matthew), not to an extra-cosmic and therefore finite God; and that "Father" is in man himself."
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"THEOSOPHIST. It is explained by that other fact that prayer has several other meanings besides that given it by the Christians. It means not only a pleading or petition, but meant, in days of old, far more an invocation and incantation. The mantra, or the rhythmically chanted prayer of the Hindus, has precisely such a meaning, as the Brahmins hold themselves higher than the common devas or "Gods." A prayer may be an appeal or an incantation for malediction, and a curse (as in the case of two armies praying simultaneously for mutual destruction) as much as for blessing. And as the great majority of people are intensely selfish, and pray only for themselves, asking to be given their "daily bread" instead of working for it, and begging God not to lead them "into temptation" but to deliver them (the memorialists only) from evil, the result is, that prayer, as now understood, is doubly pernicious: (a) It kills in man self-reliance; (b) It develops in him a still more ferocious selfishness and egotism than he is already endowed with by nature. I repeat, that we believe in "communion" and simultaneous action in unison with our "Father in secret"; and in rare moments of ecstatic bliss, in the mingling of our higher soul with the universal essence, attracted as it is towards its origin and centre, a state, called during life Samadhi, and after death, Nirvana. We refuse to pray to created finite beingsâi. e., gods, saints, angels, etc., because we regard it as idolatry. We cannot pray to the ABSOLUTE for reasons explained before; therefore, we try to replace fruitless and useless prayer by meritorious and good-producing actions."
http://www.phx-ult-lodge.org/aKEY.htm

Sura 50.16
"But we [Allah - or perhaps, rather, the Elohim within each human] created man, and we know what his soul whispers; for we are nigher to him than his jugular vein!"
(The Qursn by E. H. Palmer, 1880)
http://www.sacred-texts.com/isl/sbe09/050.htm

Sura 50.16
"16 We verily created man and We know what his soul whispereth to him, and We are nearer to him than his jugular vein. "
(The Quran by Mohammed Marmaduke Pickthall, 1938)
http://www.sacred-texts.com/isl/pick/050.htm


American King James Version
"Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, You are gods?"
http://bible.cc/john/10-34.htm


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All the above are of course just my views. I present them from my heart
seeking to promote altruism.
I will gladly change them if someone are able to prove them wrong or
irrelevant.




M. Sufilight

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