Theos-Talk Archives (May 2012 Message tt00002)

     Thanks for the science info, but I don't think it makes any difference on whether or not matter is very gradually becoming more ethereal again.  If so it would have to occur by some physical process and not some kind of magic, and that the heaviest elements gradually disappear makes sense.  Probably no way to prove it one way or another.  Right on being careful what one says scientifically.
          One bit of evidence might be to - according to current theory - calculate the current quantity of radioactive materials in the Earth at large - and with calculating their half-lifes - see if it is consistent with the original amount of such materials at the formation of the earth, compared to the number of years which have transpired.  If things don't make sense, it might be some evidence that degree of radioactivity is not consistent over time.
         Endersby's claim that the skeletal structure of Dinosaurs is insufficient to their weight seems like a pretty good one.  Other factors would be involved also - how could cartlige between bones stand up to a 50-ton dinosaur - it seems it would squish like a jelly sandwich under a steam roller.
                             - jake j.

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1a. Re: Science Evidence for HPB Cosmology
    Posted by: "Jacques M" jacmahnich@PoQHeG4p3GIDWborq07FTQGu07XUt_366mFD7awHgJliySgOuTerhsrgDkdt9izvog_Wqka-FnpcakpT.yahoo.invalid jacmahnich
    Date: Mon Apr 30, 2012 5:11 am ((PDT))

>Mark wrote : "We're presently on the upward arc of materiality again, and physical matter is very slowly etherealizing, or dematerializing - as could be backed up in the heaviest elements like Uranium being naturally radioactive and converting itself into less dense matter or lead."

>I would be very careful about such statement regarding science (as of what we know today). Radioactive material is seen as transforming itself by the phenomenon of weak decay (beta desintegration). In this case, a neutron of the nucleus is transforming itself into a proton plus two other particles (electron+neutrino). This has been observed in most of the so-called radio-active elements which are decaying in a lower order type of element, according to the Mendeleiev table. But (sor far), the process stops. Many experiments have been done to detect any proton decay, and, so far, none is conclusive. The proton, building block of our so-called matter seems to be eternal.
>Meet you in some hundred thousand years maybe... for the next step in evolution.

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Mark  Jaqua" <hozro@...> wrote:
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> "ASTRAL" DINOSAURS AND HPB
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> Here's something I came across that I haven't seen elsewhere on science and common sense backing up Blavatsky's statements.
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> According to HPB as we involute we pass through the semi-material or astral state and reach our densest form of matter here at about the middle of the 4th Round. We're presently on the upward arc of materiality again, and physical matter is very slowly etherealizing, or dematerializing - as could be backed up in the heaviest elements like Uranium being naturally radioactive and converting itself into less dense matter or lead. Most dinosaur fossils - huge monsters - were Third Round creatures, or actually astral, or semi-material in nature. As the earth became more material in the Fourth Round, the fossils of these animals also became more material. As Victor Endersby brings out below - It would be impossible for these Dinosaurs to exist in our present physical world - their weight and skeletal structure is impossible. Science has no means to measure and no philosophic room for "ephemerality" - any change is impossible to measure as everything material would change at once - so only indirect inference can indicate the possibility of such. Endersby was an engineer and knew his "strength of materials," and why, if what he says is true, is this basic observation ignored in scientific circles, other than it being completely unexplainable within conventional understanding? Endersby writes:
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> ".... those big lizards, said by the S.D. to be from the Third Round of less dense matter. They are just not practical animals for our era. The locomotive abilities of animals of any time and place are conditioned by the cube-square ratio. That is to say, as height increases, weight increases as the cube of height and the ability to carry the increases as the square of the diameter of the ankle. We took a 50-foot Tyranosaurus Rex, which was a ferocious, carnivorous and hence active biped, lending itself well to comparison with man: sliced, him up, and calculated him. He came out 90 tons, and in proportion to the writer, said writer would have to weigh about 1500 lbs or three quarters of a ton in order to have an equal problem getting around in swamps and latching on to live meat.
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> "It just won't work. Scientists are aware of this - rather uneasily - but they have not even tried to solve it. They can't find a handle to get hold of. Not only this, those animals ran to 70 feet; in which case the problem would increase by a factor of about 36 percent.
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> "This is the only sort of thing in sight at present which could indicate anything about these changes in matter; because it could change its density, etc., now, ten times in ten minutes and nobody could tell the difference, because everything would change alike. But these fossils are likely to turn out to be fossilized cosmic history in more senses than one. (This question of the previous existence of a proto-matter of the same general pattern as ours, but less condensed, as we said, is tied up with quantum physics.) ...." (Theosophical Notes, No. 1, 1964, pp 11-12)
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> Blavatsky writes on this in the Secret Doctrine:
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> "... Occultism says: "The astral prototypes of the mineral, vegetable and animal kingdoms up to man have taken that time (300 million years) to evolve, re-forming out of the cast-off materials of the preceding Round, which, though very dense and physical in their own cycle, are relatively ethereal as compared with the materiality of our present middle Round. At the expiration of these 300 million years, Nature, on the way to the physical and material, down the arc of descent, begins with mankind and works downwards, hardening or materialising forms as it proceeds. Thus the fossils found in strata, to which an antiquity, not of eighteen, but of many hundreds of millions of years, must be ascribed, belong in reality to forms of the preceding Round, which, while living, were far more ethereal than physical, as we know the physical. That we perceive and disinter them as tangible forms, is due to the process of materialization or crystallization referred to, which took place subsequently, at the beginning of the Fourth Round, and reached its maximum after the appearance of man, proceeding parallel with his physical evolution. This alone illustrates the fact that the degree of materiality of the Earth changes pari passu with that of its inhabitants. And thus man now finds, as tangible fossils, what were once the (to his present senses) ethereal forms of the lower kingdoms." (Secret Doctrine II, p. 68)
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>                            - jake j.
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