Theos-Talk Archives (January 2012 Message tt00201)

One of course recalls 'let America be free' as peeled forth by Count St Germain shortly to become Master Rakoczi. Also of the magnificent courage of HPB shooting the Papists, as a volunteer at the battle of Mentana! Moreover, of Lord Ripon and his Councillors, behind the veil, that is. JPC. 

 

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> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 19:08:32 +0100
> Subject: Re: theos-talk Re:off topic-- Lama Dorgiev
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> Interesting....
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> A few additional views might be helpful.
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> I caught this...about Russia versus Dorgiev...
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> Mahatma Letter 4 - 1880:
> "More and more a dead formalism is gaining ground, and I am truly happy to find so unexpected an ally in a quarter where, hitherto there have not been too many ? among the highly educated classes of English Society. A crisis, in a certain sense, is upon us now, and must be met. I might say two crises ? one, the Society's, the other for Tibet. For, I may tell you in confidence, that Russia is gradually massing her forces for a future invasion of that country under the pretext of a Chinese War. If she does not succeed it will be due to us; and herein, at least we will deserve your gratitude. You see then, that we have weightier matters than small societies to think about; yet, the T.S. must not be neglected. The affair has taken an impulse, which, if not well guided, might beget very evil issues. Recall to mind the avalanches of your admired Alps, that you have often thought about, and remember that at first their mass is small and their momentum little. A trite comparison you may say, but I cannot think of a better illustration, when viewing the gradual aggregation of trifling events, growing into a menacing destiny for the Theos. Soc. It came quite forcibly upon me the other day as I was coming down the defiles of Kouenlun ? Karakorum you call them ? and saw an avalanche tumble. I had gone personally to our chief to submit Mr. Hume's important offer, and was crossing over to Lhadak on my way home. What other speculations might have followed I cannot say. But just as I was taking advantage of the awful stillness which usually follows such cataclysm, to get a clearer view of the present situation and the disposition of the "mystics" at Simla, I was rudely recalled to my senses. A familiar voice, as shrill as the one attributed to Saraswati's peacock ? which, if we may credit tradition, frightened off the King of the Nagas ? shouted along the currents "Olcott has raised the very devil again! . . . The Englishmen are going crazy. . . . Koot Hoomi, come quicker and help me!" ? and in her excitement forgot she was speaking English. I must say, that the "Old Lady's" telegrams do strike one like stones from a catapult! "
> http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/mahatma/ml-4.htm
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> Only 10-20 years later there was still a Russian plot brewing....
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> Alexander Berzin's website says ---- :
> "For example, in 1893, the Buryat Mongol physician Piotr Badmaev submitted a plan to Czar Alexander III for bringing parts of the Qing Empire under Russian sway, including Outer and Inner Mongolia and Tibet. He proposed extending the Trans-Siberian Railway from the Buryat homeland at Lake Baikal through Outer and Inner Mongolia to Gansu, China, next to the Tibetan border. When completed, he would organize, with Buryat help, an uprising in Tibet that would allow Russia to annex the country. Badmaev also proposed establishing a Russian trading company in Asia. Count Sergei Yulgevich Witte, Russian Finance Minister from 1882 to 1903, supported Badmaev?s two plans, but Czar Alexander accepted neither of them."
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> "Dorjiev and Czar Nicholas II
> The Buryat Mongol monk Agvan Dorjiev (1854-1938) studied in Lhasa Tibet from 1880 and eventually became one of the Master Debate Partners (Assistant Tutors) of the Thirteenth Dalai Lama. He also became the Dalai Lama?s most trusted political advisor.
> The Anglo-Chinese Convention of 1890 had established Sikkim as a British protectorate. The Tibetans did not acknowledge the convention, and were uncomfortable with both British and Chinese designs on their country. Thus, in 1899, Dorjiev visited Russia to see if he could secure help to counter these threats. Dorjiev was a friend of Badmaev and hoped that Russia?s expansionist policy in Northeast Asia at the expense of China would extend to the Himalayan region. Count Witte received him on this and his next several visits. On behalf of the Buryat and Kalmyk Mongols living in St. Petersburg, Dorjiev also petitioned permission for building a Kalachakra temple there. Although the Russian authorities were not interested in either proposal, Dorjiev sent a letter to the Dalai Lama reporting that the prospects for assistance looked hopeful.
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> At first, the Dalai Lama and his ministers were hesitant but, on his return to Lhasa, Dorjiev convinced the Dalai Lama to turn to Russia for protection. He argued that Russia was the Northern Kingdom of Shambhala, the legendary land that safeguarded the Kalachakra teachings, and that Czar Nicholas II was the incarnation of Tsongkhapa, the founder of the Gelug tradition. As evidence, he pointed to the Czar?s protection of the Gelug tradition among the Buryats, Kalmyks, Tuvinian Turks in the Russian Empire. Swayed by his argument, the Dalai Lama dispatched him back to Russia in 1900."
> http://www.berzinarchives.com/web/en/archives/advanced/kalachakra/shambhala/russian_japanese_shambhala.html?query=Panchen+Lama
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> The Panchen Lama is the spiritual head of the Gelugpa Buddhists. The Dalai Lama is merely their political and administrative head. The Dalai Lama institution is a - later invention - and there was originally not a political institution in the Gelugpa Tradition. The Occultists and Esotericist do most often not meddle directly in politics - but may in times of crisis intervene and seek to propose helpful activities. We make no unwilling slaves...and seek to avoid Psychological Conditioning or Coerceing the individual by political legislations on a piece of paper (a man made Law of Karma - called altruism) - and by the use of weapons, police, wallet laywers, and judges. - You may correct me if I am wrong.
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> ADEPTS AND POLITICS (see primarily Editors Note)
> "Neither the Tibetan nor the modern Hindu Mahatmas for the matter of that, ever meddle with politics, though they may bring their influence to bear upon more than one momentous question in the history of a nation?their mother country especially. "
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> "If any Adepts have influenced Washington or brought about the great American Revolution, it was not the ?Tibetan Mahatmas? at any rate; for these have never shown much sympathy with the Pelings of whatever Western race, except as forming a part of Humanity in general."
> http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v6/y1883_167.htm
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> M. Sufilight
 		 	   		  

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