Theos-Talk Archives (December 2011 Message tt00056)

Dear Marcus and friends

My views are:

Thank you for your answer.
Well we all learn until we know it all, me to.
There is no actual protocol at this forum - I guess. Well except perhaps for not deliberately working in a - to ordinary people - clear and visibly wholehearted opposition to altruism. But ask the moderator.

When I write something I am merely forwarding some views - which the reader might benefit from. And also you Marcus.

Marcus wrote:
"The point I struggle to make is that The Buddha, Jesus, Mohammed and Madame Blavatsky all past Masters, hoped to help the people of the now. (this now) They all knew that each one of us can feel the same as them and celebrate this creation on a daily bases. Their hope was for a growing percentage of mankind to awaken to this truth. To understand that past and future can-not be where the purpose of this creation exists, because only this now truly exists. "

M. Sufilight says:
Here are a few views, which might be helpful. They are only my views - and - I might even be in error.
Yes, Time is an illusion. I can, however, only agree upon your view in the above if you with the word "Now" are putting its meaning - equal - to Non-duality or Absolute Negation (ie. Parabrahm or Adi-Buddha or Net, neti or the Gelugpa Negation of the four Extremes). Existence and non-Existence are, namly as I see it, in them-selve limitations or a limitation. And the ex-istence of a "Now" as well. When the highly developed Seeker realises karmic liberation and reach the level where he or she knows all and everything - the Logos - then - he or she shun existence and being or omnipresent existence (even outside time) - and reach Absolute Negation. 
The following might be helpful to some -------- There is a diagram of Cosmos and Man used by Blavatsky - with an additional diagram by Master KH - and - they can when combined  be related to the content of her book the Secret Doctrine - and - bordering to perfeption - to various esoteric Eastern Doctrines like Adwaita Vedanta, Esoteric Gelugpa teachings, Northern India's Raja Yoga, and ancient Egyptian and Zoroastrian teachings on the same. It can be traced in the ancient Kabala teachings of the Jews, and in Norse Mythology as well - and at least partially in the doctrines of Popul Vuh in the Meso-America, and elsewhere. - 

HERE ARE THE DIAGRAMS:
See the two diagrams on Blavatsky's Cosmological teachings
here: Master KH's diagram: http://www.blavatskyarchives.com/images/est2.jpg
HPB's diagram BCW, Vol. XII, p. 524:
http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v12/y1890_053_p4.jpg - click
on the diagram - Connect the two diagrams at the "Unmanifested Logos" in both of them. )

This is shortly stated the teaching I am seeking to follow. There are other diagrams, which can be used - and - which will work for the individual.
But since the atomic elements of the chemists and physicians are divided into - SEVEN - groups - and since sound is given by Seven notes, and since we humans have Seven holes in our cranium, and Seven senses (5 ordinary plus mind and understanding), and since the foetus is Seven-fold in its anatomy. The sevenfold constitution in man corresponds to the seven notes in the scale of sound. The Egyptians knew esoteric teachings in the old days. They had a seven-fold scheme as well - in complete agreement with the one given by Blavatsky (See for inastance The Secret Doctrine, Vol. II, p. 632 or on the Internet. - Their names are: - Kha, Ba, Khaba (perhaps Khaibit), Akhu, Seb, Putah, Atmu (sometimes Amen or Amun). On the Internet and by science their names are a bit different today. Gerald Massey mentions them as well.). And those in India as well. - As above, so below says the Hermes-Tables. - Now change this scheme and the correspondences will be different. Annie Besants and Alice A. Bailey seven-fold schemes are different and so are their correspondences. ---- I find the diagram by Blavatsky to be the most correct diagram on Cosmos and Man I have found so far. Other diagrams might also be good and very useful, but a seven-fold schema can only be recommended - to the Seekers - as far as I am concerned. - Since ignorance might bar the sight of anyone - me included - I am of course always open to any suggestions - which could throw a better light on the whole affair we call life. - Sound and analogical correspondences can not be unimportant to the trained Occultist. Words have vibrations - some are more Western in nature - others of a more Eastern origin - and the results are visible. - even today on this planet. Well these are of course just my views.

(As the old story goes. Here is an example: Your house or castle is on fire. (An analogical view on - the eternal dilemma of any Seeker on the path - We always need to transform) You have been asleep in your bedroom on the third floor. You have just become aware of it being woken up by the smoke. - You seek to escape. But your are on the third floor in your mansion, and the fire is all over in the below - and now reaching the bedroom door which is on fire as well. The only door out. Smoke is now all around. You seek to get out of the window in the bedroom. Luckily the Firefighters can already be seen outside your house. They have given you two ladders to climb down by. Which one to choose. The one with the blue color or the one pink one? - And does it matter that much, if both are solid? I think not. Yet there might by a trifle of difference. - (Although big to some). - That is why I and others are saying that there must be more than one path to the Seekers after Wisdom.) - So in a sense, as I see it, our house is on fire - ie., the consciousness is on Fire - and we have to get out of here - and help us all along.

To me Blavatsky is here today, because she materialised - almost near to physical appearance in my apartment January 2008 here in Denmark, while I was translating the Key to Theosophy into the Danish language. I am saying it as a fact. So that people know my view on her whereabouts. I do not hope or expect anyone to become emotional about this view of mine, but that they act rational and wise with regard to it.
And I emphasize this.

In various theospohical literature and also Eastern literature and in a few other scriptures we find the view is that the High Initiates (called the Arhats or going higher the Masters or "Watchers" or Dhyani Chohans or Dhyani Buddhas or in esoteric sense the Archangels) always Watch and take care of the Karma of humanity and people incarnated on this planet. - It has been like this for thousands of years - to the incarnation and reincarnating human. So it is not unexpected that Blavatsky and others still are around. I will even claim that I have had a short glimpse of Damodar. But I am told that he is busy at least for the next decade or so  - so my contact with him is not that strong. And I sense also Morya is present near ther globe, but a lot of Maya is involved, so I have to take care with regard to him. I have not really seen KH though.

I wonder. Are there no theosophist having astral travelling experiences these days?
In the old days of the Theosophical Society - articles about astral travelling occurred from time to time in the Magazine called The Theosophist.
After the Coulomb scandal - they seem to have come to a stop. Now we live in different times. Or that is what the calendar tells us.

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Your words about "empathy" and altruism I find to be important.
Yet in a world of duality, opposition can always arrive.

A few views more seeking to be of service to us all.

M. Sufilight







  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: marcus_a_hughes 
  To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 11:46 AM
  Subject: theos-talk Re: On how to promote altruism for humanity


    

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  Thank you kindly Sufilight.

  You are obviously very well read of the esoteric masters and a man of great depth.

  Thank you so vary much.

  Unfortunately my knowledge of the detail, protocol and conventions necessary within this theosophical gorup is lacking somewhat. But I do know enough to appreciate, that we are all here to learn. That humility is one of the ancient landmarks that help us negotiate this apparent spiritual wilderness. 

  I think that one of the most difficult concepts for the human mind is the realisation that there is no reality to the past or future. This means that all past events only exist as memory or imprints of the past. And the future is pure speculation. The point I struggle to make is that The Buddha, Jesus, Mohammed and Madame Blavatsky all past Masters, hoped to help the people of the now. (this now) They all knew that each one of us can feel the same as them and celebrate this creation on a daily bases. Their hope was for a growing percentage of mankind to awaken to this truth. To understand that past and future can-not be where the purpose of this creation exists, because only this now truly exists. 

  Madame Blavatsky played her role beautifully as a leading light in the most natural emancipation of human spirituality. She could-not have known about how mankind would evolve. The explosion of the Spiritual Movement and the of globalisation of human culture. We have a generation behind us that worship technology and live in a semi virtual world. If Madame Blavatsky where here today she would be quite surprised. To see how clairvoyance, mediumship, spiritual healing, past life regression, transmogrification and Yoga have become mainstream and as such have attracted it's own breed of spiritual arrogance. Even information exists in a very different way today. Anyone with a computer can research and understand most details, protocols and conventions. 

  """" To promote altruism for humanity """""

  We have to offer something new. 
  A no bullshit, human reality. (the lost word)

  On occasion I have tried to share my feelings about this beautiful creation. I have learnt enough to realise that the first consideration is the circle of people you find yourself in. There is no point talking German to the French. The next consideration is empathy. There is no point in telling people to rise above their ego if they suffer from low self-esteem. Similarly talking about courage and strength to the arrogant. 

  There is a time and circumstance when your learning can help others. The trick is to always be available and know the right word at the right time is the best we can hope for. All the universally big miracles should be left to the Creator, Grand Architect (God) or whichever label you prefer. Whereas all the small miracles are up to you to make manifest. 

  We should always lead by example. Show others how happy you are, shine your light. Teach others of the lost connection to the true unity and perfection that exists here and now. 

  Show this creation your Love ..............

  .

  --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "M. Sufilight" <global-theosophy@...> wrote:
  >
  > Dear Marcus and friends

  > My views are:
  > 
  > Thank you Marucs for your answer.
  > 
  > The Law of Karma is of course not pure Fatalism. There are a choices involved.
  > One could say: When you are completely one with the Law of Karma - you are that very Law of Karma yourself. And the Law of Karma sprang from Parabrahm, as the old scriptures are telling us.
  > 
  > Marcus wrote:
  > "It's not that there is a fall, or a rise, only the event. I try to see God as the intelligent force that binds all laws for this circumstance of now. The body of God is the whole universe, complete and perfect and now. The life-force that you and I enjoy is a mere enabler to the living body of God. Purpose, is only a human thing. Good and bad is a human thing. Love and hate is human. These delusions are perpetuated by humans, for humans only."
  > 
  > M. Sufilight says:
  > 
  > 
  > First I will have to say: 
  > I dislike using the word "God" instead of Parabrahm or Absolut Negation since they most often are viewed differently by various persons. and misunderstandings might occur on a public forum like this.
  > 
  > I am now talking from my own expereince and from what I have learned:
  > There is both a fall or rise - and - an event or even a "event".
  > And even the event may on a higher level be viewed as a "fall" and a "rise". There are various levels of living in the - now.
  > The Great Breath of the Manvantara as given within Eastern philosophical thought is also a kind of a fall and rise when viewed from a certain "angle".
  > Good and bad is only a human thing when viewed in a narrow manner. Good and bad is not only a human thing - it is a fact in the world of duality until perfect non-dualism arrives. Good and bad is just not the same to the average human being as it is to the average chela or master. Even a Master might fail. There are something known as Dugpa-Masters within the occult teachings. Blavatsky referred to this latter logical fact. Absolute Negation (ie. Parabrahm) never fails. - All this is viewed from some levels of consciousness.
  > However, to you and others there might not be a fall or a rise - but to others there are until they have liberated themselves from duality.
  > 
  > As long as a human might make mistakes and fall or succeed and rise - rise and fall - occur.
  > Not all events operate as a progress for altruism - yet - all events can be seen as helpful as well as the opposite.
  > 
  > But, yes living in the - now - in the moment, is an important key to overcome the fall and rise issue as known by the ordinary average fellow-human being on this our planet. On this I think I agree with you.
  > 
  > Transcending the illusion called Time is an important aspect of going beyond good and bad. There are various levels of transcendence of time. I am myself referring to three Eternities, which are related to the Upadhis mentiioned by Blavatsky in her book the Secret Doctrine.
  > 
  > I will suggest that one try to contemplate the Divine or Parabrahm as Absolut Negation. Negation of the four extreremes as given in the Gelugpa Buddhism teachings, or Eastern doctrine within esoteric Adwaita Vedanta and esoteric Raja Yoga.
  > 
  > Dhammapada:
  > "That one who's free of everything
  > that's past, that's present, yet to be,
  > who nothing owns, who's unattached,
  > that one I call a Brahmin True."
  > (Chap. 26 - Verse 421)
  > 
  > Some designs are more helpful than others. The smallest of things might liberate a given fellow-human being.
  > 
  > All the above are just a few views I offer so to be of possible service to you and the readers.
  > What do you readers think?
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > M. Sufilight
  > 
  > 
  > ----- Original Message ----- 
  > From: marcus_a_hughes 
  > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
  > Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 12:34 PM
  > Subject: theos-talk Re: On how to promote altruism for humanity
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  > Thank you kindly Sufilight.
  > 
  > Very interesting. The mention of "Law of Distributive Karma" and "occult law" with reference to "if one of us fall spiritually - it affects the whole". 
  > 
  > My observation of this creation is simply that every event in this moment is a prerequisite to those events to follow. It's not that there is a fall, or a rise, only the event. I try to see God as the intelligent force that binds all laws for this circumstance of now. The body of God is the whole universe, complete and perfect and now. The life-force that you and I enjoy is a mere enabler to the living body of God. Purpose, is only a human thing. Good and bad is a human thing. Love and hate is human. These delusions are perpetuated by humans, for humans only. 
  > 
  > This affect is also defined in expressions like "God is pure Love" because we understand that a intelligent force that governs all, can only be pure perfection or pure love. Any judgement we humans make can only be from the human delusional stand point. 
  > 
  > Those Universal Sacred Laws assured by the governance, like Karma exist as a human condition, a feeling of the human heart and mind. The lost word, the holy grail and the Golden fleece, these are all allegories for the forgotten human condition of truth. 
  > 
  > Karma is seeing the success of Life globally and collectively. Live clearly does-not end. Life has occured on this barren rock and is doing very, very well. 7 Billion humans, twice the amount of humans of 100 years ago ??? Karma is the action of Life
  > 
  > Personally I don't see this as "new age" rather as, if a label is necessary, a very ancient age Knowledge.
  > 
  > All current events affect all events to come ........... Sacred Law.
  > 
  > .
  > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "proto37" <hozro@> wrote:
  > >
  > > I'm glad Sufilight posted the quote on the "Law of Distributive Karma." It startled me the first time I read it, when one is raised in a world in which he thinks he can make advantage solely for oneself.
  > > In this whole realm of occult psychology, one clear advantage the Theosophist has, once he has been convinced, is that we live in a sea of invisible creatures that have an effect on us, as well as dealing with the more conventional pyschology and self-analysis the traditional Psychologist deals with.
  > > 
  > > Since I have not posted here for several years - I'm a student of Blavatsky for about 30 years, I put out a newsletter "Protogonos" for about 12 years '87 or so 'till 2000, and my major personal Theosophical activity for a number of years is archiving Theosophical magazines, books, and related material onto computer.
  > > 
  > > - Jake J.
  > > 
  > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "M. Sufilight" <global-theosophy@> wrote:
  > > >
  > > > Thanks Marcus
  > > > 
  > > > I resend it again just seeking to correct a number of spelling errors etc.
  > > > 
  > > > Yes. Interesting.
  > > > As a human thinketh in its heart, so is he or she.
  > > > 
  > > > I got the following to consider...
  > > > 
  > > > H. P. Blavatsky wrote in "The Key to Theosophy":
  > > > ENQUIRER. Do I, then, understand that the law of Karma is not necessarily an individual law?
  > > > THEOSOPHIST. That is just what I mean. It is impossible that Karma could readjust the balance of power in the world's life and progress, unless it had a broad and general line of action. It is held as a truth among Theosophists that the interdependence of Humanity is the cause of what is called Distributive Karma, and it is this law which affords the solution to the great question of collective suffering and its relief. It is an occult law, moreover, that no man can rise superior to his individual failings, without lifting, be it ever so little, the whole body of which he is an integral part. In the same way, no one can sin, nor suffer the effects of sin, alone. In reality, there is no such thing as "Separateness"; and the nearest approach to that selfish state, which the laws of life permit, is in the intent or motive. 
  > > > http://www.phx-ult-lodge.org/aKEY.htm
  > > > 
  > > > I perceive, that this the very important Law of Distributive Karma is often not taken into account in great many spiritual circles these days. And most New Agers are unaware of it - or - only have it operating in the sub-conscious mind.
  > > > And those who are in doubt about the existence of the Law of Karma most often have great difficulties in showing another view to be valid or indicative of the ever occuring causes and effects in our universe. Also considering: Flood and ebb. Night and Day. Good and bad. As above, so below.
  > > > 
  > > > If one agree upon that the Law of Karma is a real law and a real fact in this Universe with regard to Maya based worlds - one will also have to agree upon that - all and everything always is allright - because this Law - the Law of Karma - happily nevers fails. Happily, because the Law of Karma is in fact the law of Compassion and spiritual progress.
  > > > 
  > > > Therefore if one of us fall spiritually - it affects the whole and not only the one falling. If one does a genius act - it affects not only the individual and perhaps a few other persons involved - no, it affects the whole - ie., all human beings.
  > > > 
  > > > So I will repeat:
  > > > It is an occult law, moreover, that no man can rise superior to his individual failings, without lifting, be it ever so little, the whole body of which he is an integral part.
  > > > 
  > > > _______
  > > > We can speculate a lot about what "psychological care professionals" would have done with Blavatsky. Such speculations are a bit futile as I see it. And the same with Princes - and the same with latest New Age Medium - who for instance call herself --- a Walk-In from the Andromeda Galaxy and bring messages from a Inter-Galactical Star Command. Such mediums seem to blossom these days all over the planet like buckets of flowers in a botanical garden. and most of them very self-contraditing in their message and quite different from each other when compared. - And their messages are most often not very intelligent and helpful at all - except to their own pockets. - There is the differece as I see it. If your message is helpful and wise, then it is another kind of business we are deling with.
  > > > 
  > > > All the above are of course just my views. I find the Law of Distributive Karma to be very healthy to contemplate for any New Ager - except those who of course know all and everything.
  > > > 
  > > > M. Sufilight
  > > > 
  > > > 
  > > > 
  > > > 
  > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
  > > > From: marcus_a_hughes 
  > > > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
  > > > Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 11:06 AM
  > > > Subject: theos-talk Re: On how to promote altruism for humanity
  > > >
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