Theos-Talk Archives (December 2011 Message tt00048)

Dear Marcus and friends

My views are:

Thank you Marucs for your answer.

The Law of Karma is of course not pure Fatalism. There are a choices involved.
One could say: When you are completely one with the Law of Karma - you are that very Law of Karma yourself. And the Law of Karma sprang from Parabrahm, as the old scriptures are telling us.

Marcus wrote:
"It's not that there is a fall, or a rise, only the event. I try to see God as the intelligent force that binds all laws for this circumstance of now. The body of God is the whole universe, complete and perfect and now. The life-force that you and I enjoy is a mere enabler to the living body of God. Purpose, is only a human thing. Good and bad is a human thing. Love and hate is human. These delusions are perpetuated by humans, for humans only."

M. Sufilight says:


First I will have to say: 
I dislike using the word "God" instead of Parabrahm or Absolut Negation since they most often are viewed differently by various persons. and misunderstandings might occur on a public forum like this.

I am now talking from my own expereince and from what I have learned:
There is both a fall or rise - and - an event or even a "event".
And even the event may on a higher level be viewed as a "fall" and a "rise". There are various levels of living in the - now.
The Great Breath of the Manvantara as given within Eastern philosophical thought is also a kind of a fall and rise when viewed from a certain "angle".
Good and bad is only a human thing when viewed in a narrow manner. Good and bad is not only a human thing - it is a fact in the world of duality until perfect non-dualism arrives. Good and bad is just not the same to the average human being as it is to the average chela or master. Even a Master might fail. There are something known as Dugpa-Masters within the occult teachings. Blavatsky referred to this latter logical fact. Absolute Negation (ie. Parabrahm) never fails. - All this is viewed from some levels of consciousness.
However, to you and others there might not be a fall or a rise - but to others there are until they have liberated themselves from duality.

As long as a human might make mistakes and fall or succeed and rise - rise and fall - occur.
Not all events operate as a progress for altruism - yet - all events can be seen as helpful as well as the opposite.

But, yes living in the - now - in the moment, is an important key to overcome the fall and rise issue as known by the ordinary average fellow-human being on this our planet. On this I think I agree with you.

Transcending the illusion called Time is an important aspect of going beyond good and bad. There are various levels of transcendence of time. I am myself referring to three Eternities, which are related to the Upadhis mentiioned by Blavatsky in her book the Secret Doctrine.

I will suggest that one try to contemplate the Divine or Parabrahm as Absolut Negation. Negation of the four extreremes as given in the Gelugpa Buddhism teachings, or Eastern doctrine within esoteric Adwaita Vedanta and esoteric Raja Yoga.

Dhammapada:
"That one who's free of everything
that's past, that's present, yet to be,
who nothing owns, who's unattached,
that one I call a Brahmin True."
(Chap. 26 - Verse 421)

Some designs are more helpful than others. The smallest of things might liberate a given fellow-human being.

All the above are just a few views I offer so to be of possible service to you and the readers.
What do you readers think?



M. Sufilight


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: marcus_a_hughes 
  To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 12:34 PM
  Subject: theos-talk Re: On how to promote altruism for humanity


    

  .

  Thank you kindly Sufilight.

  Very interesting. The mention of "Law of Distributive Karma" and "occult law" with reference to "if one of us fall spiritually - it affects the whole". 

  My observation of this creation is simply that every event in this moment is a prerequisite to those events to follow. It's not that there is a fall, or a rise, only the event. I try to see God as the intelligent force that binds all laws for this circumstance of now. The body of God is the whole universe, complete and perfect and now. The life-force that you and I enjoy is a mere enabler to the living body of God. Purpose, is only a human thing. Good and bad is a human thing. Love and hate is human. These delusions are perpetuated by humans, for humans only. 

  This affect is also defined in expressions like "God is pure Love" because we understand that a intelligent force that governs all, can only be pure perfection or pure love. Any judgement we humans make can only be from the human delusional stand point. 

  Those Universal Sacred Laws assured by the governance, like Karma exist as a human condition, a feeling of the human heart and mind. The lost word, the holy grail and the Golden fleece, these are all allegories for the forgotten human condition of truth. 

  Karma is seeing the success of Life globally and collectively. Live clearly does-not end. Life has occured on this barren rock and is doing very, very well. 7 Billion humans, twice the amount of humans of 100 years ago ??? Karma is the action of Life

  Personally I don't see this as "new age" rather as, if a label is necessary, a very ancient age Knowledge.

  All current events affect all events to come ........... Sacred Law.

  .
  --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "proto37" <hozro@...> wrote:
  >
  > I'm glad Sufilight posted the quote on the "Law of Distributive Karma." It startled me the first time I read it, when one is raised in a world in which he thinks he can make advantage solely for oneself.
  > In this whole realm of occult psychology, one clear advantage the Theosophist has, once he has been convinced, is that we live in a sea of invisible creatures that have an effect on us, as well as dealing with the more conventional pyschology and self-analysis the traditional Psychologist deals with.
  > 
  > Since I have not posted here for several years - I'm a student of Blavatsky for about 30 years, I put out a newsletter "Protogonos" for about 12 years '87 or so 'till 2000, and my major personal Theosophical activity for a number of years is archiving Theosophical magazines, books, and related material onto computer.
  > 
  > - Jake J.
  > 
  > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "M. Sufilight" <global-theosophy@> wrote:
  > >
  > > Thanks Marcus
  > > 
  > > I resend it again just seeking to correct a number of spelling errors etc.
  > > 
  > > Yes. Interesting.
  > > As a human thinketh in its heart, so is he or she.
  > > 
  > > I got the following to consider...
  > > 
  > > H. P. Blavatsky wrote in "The Key to Theosophy":
  > > ENQUIRER. Do I, then, understand that the law of Karma is not necessarily an individual law?
  > > THEOSOPHIST. That is just what I mean. It is impossible that Karma could readjust the balance of power in the world's life and progress, unless it had a broad and general line of action. It is held as a truth among Theosophists that the interdependence of Humanity is the cause of what is called Distributive Karma, and it is this law which affords the solution to the great question of collective suffering and its relief. It is an occult law, moreover, that no man can rise superior to his individual failings, without lifting, be it ever so little, the whole body of which he is an integral part. In the same way, no one can sin, nor suffer the effects of sin, alone. In reality, there is no such thing as "Separateness"; and the nearest approach to that selfish state, which the laws of life permit, is in the intent or motive. 
  > > http://www.phx-ult-lodge.org/aKEY.htm
  > > 
  > > I perceive, that this the very important Law of Distributive Karma is often not taken into account in great many spiritual circles these days. And most New Agers are unaware of it - or - only have it operating in the sub-conscious mind.
  > > And those who are in doubt about the existence of the Law of Karma most often have great difficulties in showing another view to be valid or indicative of the ever occuring causes and effects in our universe. Also considering: Flood and ebb. Night and Day. Good and bad. As above, so below.
  > > 
  > > If one agree upon that the Law of Karma is a real law and a real fact in this Universe with regard to Maya based worlds - one will also have to agree upon that - all and everything always is allright - because this Law - the Law of Karma - happily nevers fails. Happily, because the Law of Karma is in fact the law of Compassion and spiritual progress.
  > > 
  > > Therefore if one of us fall spiritually - it affects the whole and not only the one falling. If one does a genius act - it affects not only the individual and perhaps a few other persons involved - no, it affects the whole - ie., all human beings.
  > > 
  > > So I will repeat:
  > > It is an occult law, moreover, that no man can rise superior to his individual failings, without lifting, be it ever so little, the whole body of which he is an integral part.
  > > 
  > > _______
  > > We can speculate a lot about what "psychological care professionals" would have done with Blavatsky. Such speculations are a bit futile as I see it. And the same with Princes - and the same with latest New Age Medium - who for instance call herself --- a Walk-In from the Andromeda Galaxy and bring messages from a Inter-Galactical Star Command. Such mediums seem to blossom these days all over the planet like buckets of flowers in a botanical garden. and most of them very self-contraditing in their message and quite different from each other when compared. - And their messages are most often not very intelligent and helpful at all - except to their own pockets. - There is the differece as I see it. If your message is helpful and wise, then it is another kind of business we are deling with.
  > > 
  > > All the above are of course just my views. I find the Law of Distributive Karma to be very healthy to contemplate for any New Ager - except those who of course know all and everything.
  > > 
  > > M. Sufilight
  > > 
  > > 
  > > 
  > > 
  > > ----- Original Message ----- 
  > > From: marcus_a_hughes 
  > > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
  > > Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 11:06 AM
  > > Subject: theos-talk Re: On how to promote altruism for humanity
  > >
  >



  

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