Theos-Talk Archives (December 2011 Message tt00003)

Not in my world, one can theorise but unless the experience is applied it remains an unproven hypothesis. ÂPsychology offers only two explanations, either Jungian or Freudian, the others are mishmashes of or a combination of these ideas. ÂModern psychology may be able to tell you the wyes or the wherefore's but can very very rarely heal the condition. ÂPsychology of the ego is quite different from psychology of the soul. ÂIf a person does not believe in Karma or reincarnation psychology will never give him the reason for his phobias or talents.

Cass



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> From: M. Sufilight <global-theosophy@wOUwbPciIxhROsgFJF8IFojkwITC4jH8HwvgY9WmYsHOCTywW6BIfg8LH_wdVp42CpCVDz24yOMVmE0Ta83mL4KH89M.yahoo.invalid>
>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
>Sent: Thursday, 1 December 2011 10:24 PM
>Subject: Re: theos-talk Re: On how to promote altruism for humanity
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>Dear Cass
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>My view is:
>What is being taught is being experienced. What is being experienced - can - psychologically change the individual.
>To study psychology is to study psycholocial change. Knowledge about psychological change might change the individual - although it does not always seem to happen.
>Avoiding studying or learning about psychology (spiritual or non-spiritual) - is also to avoid knowledge about psychological change. Despite this psychological change might happen.
>All and everything might psychologically change an individual. Some persons do seek and teach themselves about psychological change, they do not merely wait for experiences that might change them psychologically. These are however just my views.
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>Within various theosophical and eastern teachings there are forwarded a doctrine called the Law of Distributive Karma.
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>M. Sufilight
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>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: Cass Silva 
>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
>Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 2:27 AM
>Subject: Re: theos-talk Re: On how to promote altruism for humanity
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>Theories of psychology can be taught but understanding our own psychology cannot be taught, but can only be experienced. 
>Cass
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>> From: M. Sufilight <global-theosophy@wOUwbPciIxhROsgFJF8IFojkwITC4jH8HwvgY9WmYsHOCTywW6BIfg8LH_wdVp42CpCVDz24yOMVmE0Ta83mL4KH89M.yahoo.invalid>
>>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
>>Sent: Thursday, 1 December 2011 12:23 PM
>>Subject: Re: theos-talk Re: On how to promote altruism for humanity
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>>Dear Cass
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>>Interesting idea.
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>>My view is:
>>There are beliefs and there are hypothesises, and there are assumed knowledge and real knowledge, although it might be limited.
>>Usually I do not believe anythning - I hypothize or I know.
>>Psychology can be taught to us humans. Do you nor agree? Science have in the later years in the Western countries proven that more knowledge about psychology - can - ("can" is emphasized) help people become more compassionate and altruistic. In the Eastern countries this has been taught for centuries. Buddha was as I see it one of the eksponents of this doctrine. The end of suffering.
>>Yet, it also seem to be a fact, that each individual has to do an effort on their own - else no psychological change will occur. - And from that psychological change a change of heart will occur - or - might occur. Not all flowers of visdom bloom at the same time. They need water, food and nursing as they say.
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>>I also have this view:
>>Altruism is not really somthing that is felt - it is as far as I have learned it something that higher than "feeling", in the sense of feelings that mask themselves as altruism. - With other words: What sometimes is perceived as altruism - is in fact only "higher" emotions. Thias happen due to Maya.
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>>But maybe you were referring to something else?
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>>M. Sufilight
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>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: Cass Silva 
>>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
>>Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 1:42 AM
>>Subject: Re: theos-talk Re: On how to promote altruism for humanity
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>>Morten
>>I think you are making the fundamental mistake of believing that altruism can be taught, when imo, it can only be 'felt'
>>Cass
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>>> From: M. Sufilight <global-theosophy@wOUwbPciIxhROsgFJF8IFojkwITC4jH8HwvgY9WmYsHOCTywW6BIfg8LH_wdVp42CpCVDz24yOMVmE0Ta83mL4KH89M.yahoo.invalid>
>>>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
>>>Sent: Thursday, 1 December 2011 1:08 AM
>>>Subject: Re: theos-talk Re: On how to promote altruism for humanity
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>>>Thanks.
>>>I will continue as before, however perhaps with more caution.
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>>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>>From: marcus_oxoxoxo 
>>>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
>>>Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 10:34 AM
>>>Subject: theos-talk Re: On how to promote altruism for humanity
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>>>Dear M. Sufilight.
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>>>You are exactly what the creator needs you to be. Your soul has a message for the physical world and you are bound by your nature to voice it. My guess is that most voluntary members of theosophical , philosophical, spiritual and mystical communities have similar doubts of themselves from time to time. 
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>>>There are many sacred laws that govern this creation. One of the more obvious is the supreme power of unconditional Love. Throughout these life journeys we will experience the "the attracts of the insidious". Since the fall of Adam, mankind has struggled with the concept of sharing. 
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>>>A wise man once said "judge not least yee too be judged" realise this applies to the whole of todays creation. Are you a Christian Fundamentalist ??? only you have right to decide. Be kind to yourself. Is that person at the meeting "quite mad" again in the same token. Only that person has the right to judge himself. 
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>>>The answer to your question is ::: Rise above. You are a man of Goood. That's the way the creator made you. Offer only unconditional love in all your undertakings. 
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>>>That way, you won't give a rats-ass what they say. 
>>>We all get crucified in the end, hopefully.
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>>>Peace and Love, always everywhere. 
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>>>--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "M. Sufilight" <global-theosophy@...> wrote:
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>>>> Dear friends
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>>>> My views are:
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>>>> I have been through a meeting with a person who as I see it was acting quite mad. I am not going to mention the name on the person.
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>>>> I would like to ask the members on this forum:
>>>> Am I to be considered - a Christian Fundamentalist - by how I am writing about theosophical subjects and life as such on this forum?
>>>> If so, would you please elaborate on your views?
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>>>> I ask honestly, because I am a bit in doubt about how you view me.
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>>>> M. Sufilight
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