Theos-Talk Archives (October 2011 Message tt00182)

With respect, but this article is not concerned about what subtle mind control is, but a vehicle to denigrate Alice Bailey. Â
To say that Alice Bailey's used a method of subtle mind control without indicating how this method was employed is not verification but opinion - yours.

Cass



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>From: M. Sufilight <global-theosophy@zvxmySwh5IJT6LEPSze8GMaz7VEGujX3_vxNk6-DbmpZv_N_X6MoQDebB-XKKMYSKQfaLbiYcq1m0H2QqzemNzWZPPTn7Q.yahoo.invalid>
>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Monday, 31 October 2011 12:41 AM
>Subject: Re: theos-talk Subtle Psychological Keys - Sectarianism or Politics in Lucist Trust and TS?
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>Dear Cass
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>My views are:
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>Do you want my own version more precisely or just some names so to study it some more?
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>I recently the 25th of October 2011 posted about the issue here at Theos-talk....
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>Here is the link to it:
>### SUBTLE MIND CONTROL - LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOUR ###
>"- Interestingly we do not find much info about this science among esoteric and theosophical groups or any religious groups or New Age group these days. And this might be a surprise to some readers. Yet it is not so to ordinary psychologists and those who have walked a bit further ahead scientifically speaking, as far as I know. These are however just my views, which I offer to the you as readers in these times of ours. - The model given by Steve Hassan can be compared with other well-known Exit Counsellors and authors on the subject. Such well-known Exit-counsellors and psychologists like Magareth Singer, Robert J. Lifton, Edgar Schein, Kurt Lewin and Willam Sargant, and even the sufi Idries Shah. And it will be found that there are many similarities between these authors and models, and their views about what some call subtle Mind Control." 
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/56907
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>In the above link I also wrote a short version on what Subtle Mind Control is as far as I with my own words understand it and want others to know about it.
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>The truth is that before man can know his own inadequacy, or the competence of another man or institution, he must first learn something which will enable him to perceive both. Note well that his perception itself is a product of right study; not of instinct or emotional attraction to the individual, nor yet of desiring to 'go it alone'. This is 'Learning How To Learn.' " 
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>M. Sufilight
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>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: Cass Silva 
>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
>Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2011 1:27 AM
>Subject: Re: theos-talk Subtle Psychological Keys - Sectarianism or Politics in Lucist Trust and TS?
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>What do you specifically mean by subtle mind control?
>Cass
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>>From: M. Sufilight <global-theosophy@zvxmySwh5IJT6LEPSze8GMaz7VEGujX3_vxNk6-DbmpZv_N_X6MoQDebB-XKKMYSKQfaLbiYcq1m0H2QqzemNzWZPPTn7Q.yahoo.invalid>
>>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>>Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2011 9:27 PM
>>Subject: Re: theos-talk Subtle Psychological Keys - Sectarianism or Politics in Lucist Trust and TS?
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>>Dear Cass and friends
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>>My views are:
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>>There might be no difference at all. And there might be.
>>The central issue, as I see it, is what are the difference between having a knowledge about the science on Subtle Mind Control and understanding the difference between sectarian and non-sectarian behavior, and conditioning versus non-conditioning, and how subtle sectarian influence might mind control the individual etc. etc. --- versus --- following a sectarian belief, which effectively are conditioning your thought-patterns, inducing cultural bias, even promotes a belief in the masters and a thousand other things compared to totally free comparative non-sectarian studying (without having "shouted" a Great Invocation into your ears everyday), and a sect seemingly promoting you to be non-scientific about life.
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>>M. Sufilight
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>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: Cass Silva 
>>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
>>Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2011 3:47 AM
>>Subject: Re: theos-talk Subtle Psychological Keys - Sectarianism or Politics in Lucist Trust and TS?
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>>What difference does it matter which path one takes as they are only stepping stones to discovering the truth for ourselves.
>>Cass
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>>>From: Jeremy Condick <jpcondick2011@r1y2lvAFLLPhyg8d4TWbmThIFG99Oie0rngd_9lQ8cbJ6NQYef4y4em_CCZ37LFXgo7JW1FZalu2TfDJevvEow.yahoo.invalid>
>>>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>>>Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2011 10:33 AM
>>>Subject: RE: theos-talk Subtle Psychological Keys - Sectarianism or Politics in Lucist Trust and TS?
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>>>"If an organisation are having a leader or a group of leaders (often with its own leader as well) - who forwards a doctrine or teachings given by one single author or just a uniform doctrine - ON BEHALF OF THE MEMBERS - of its organisation - then we are in truth talking about a sectarian organisation." 
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>>>JPC: The Lucis Trust offers study of a number of books. Namely, The Alice Bailey books, The Secret Doctrine, Isis Unveiled and other theosophical material, and the books of Helena Roerich' Agni Yoga. There is an extensive lending library of miscellaneous old and hard to find books by numerous authors, and also a continuous study of other authors works more contempary relating to science, philosophy and other subjects. The scope is very extensive indeed and does not adhere to one single author. 
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>>>It is non Political insofar as it does not promote one party over another or take part in contempary party politics. It is working for right human relations and the spreading of goodwill and cooperates with those who also work for the same in so far as they are able, no matter what party political persuasion they may or may not personally have. Students are not accepted according to political leanings and personal politics are not entered into. 
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>>>The UN is seen as the best chance humanity has of discussing or resolving international problems. Whether it works or has corruption has no bearing on the overall objective of seeking world harmony. This is a ideal to work towards and may as yet be imperfect as so much in life is today or ever has been. Right human relations are worked towards and this is the philosophy of the teachings. 
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>>>> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>>>> From: global-theosophy@zvxmySwh5IJT6LEPSze8GMaz7VEGujX3_vxNk6-DbmpZv_N_X6MoQDebB-XKKMYSKQfaLbiYcq1m0H2QqzemNzWZPPTn7Q.yahoo.invalid
>>>> Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 22:19:22 +0200
>>>> Subject: theos-talk Subtle Psychological Keys - Sectarianism or Politics in Lucist Trust and TS?
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>>>> Dear friends
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>>>> My views are:
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>>>> Sorry about this lengthy relpy. But It seems from where I stand important to cover the subject as clearly as possible without writing a whole book about it.
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>>>> Now as a Seeker after Truth and Wisdom and seeking to promote altruism, I often seek comparative studying so to avoid a narrowminded or sectarian out-look upon life.
>>>> And I am also in the below seeking to show some of the problems and issues so to speak which our present time year 2011 are facing compared with the past with regard to the non-sectarian Theosophical Society as it was given in 1875-1891, and before it changed and became more or less sectarian after the year 1910. My study will focus on whether the Theosophical Society as it was given in 1875-1891 was political or sectarian - and - on whether the very widespread esoteric mother-organisation Lucis Trust behind the Alice A. Bailey followers are sectarian or non-sectarian, as well as political or non-political in their activities.
>>>> I do this because there seem to be a great deal of confusion with regard to how the word "sectarian" is defined and what it implies or can imply. Other definitions than the one given by me in the below might be useful. But I seek to stick to the present day scientists and their definition of the word "sectarian". And this I think cannot be unimportant. Further it is also well-known that the word "political" have many definitions attached to it. I do hope however that my words in the below are sufficient to cover the aspects involved in the presentation I have forwarded.
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