Theos-Talk Archives (October 2011 Message tt00170)

Dear MKR and friends

My views are:

I find your views interesting.
I think you will agree with me and others upon that there cannot be a betterment with regard to the promotion of altruism without a psychological change in the individual - and without a psychological change in the organisation he or she more or less eagerly promotes and emphasises. Do you not agree on this, sir?

And I would like to forward the view given by J. Krishnamurti on the need for Psychological change. And the need for Psychological change is also something taken very seriously these days by the Dalai Lama, Eckhart Tolle and great many others. The psychological teachings named "Mindfulness" is emphasised very much it seems.

J. Krishnamurti's talk to The United Nations 
" We have created this society, and we are that society. And whatever experiences one has, so-called religious and spiritual, one must doubt those very experiences, one must question, be sceptical. I wonder if you realize that the word 'scepticism', questioning, enquiring, is not advocated in the Christian world. Whereas in Buddhism, and Hinduism, that is one of the essential things, you must question everything, until you discover or come upon that truth, which is not yours, or any others, it is truth."
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"Q: The question was: when one achieves peace within oneself how will it affect the rest of humanity without organizational structures? 
Krishnamurti: I explained that, forgive me, sir, I explained it. To say, if I change how will it affect mankind, the rest of the world? That is the question, isn't it, sir? Wait a minute, sir. 

Q: That is the question.

Krishnamurti: I think if I may most respectfully point out, that is a wrong question. Change and you will see what happens. This is really a very important thing. We have to put aside all the side issues. Please do realize something tremendous: that you are the rest of mankind psychologically. You are mankind, whether you live in India, Russia, China or in America, or Europe, you are the rest of mankind, because you suffer, and everyone on this earth suffers in his own way. We share that suffering, it is not my suffering. So when you ask a question: what difference will it make if I or you change, if I may most humbly point out, it is a wrong question. You are avoiding the central issue. And we never seem to face the central issue, the central challenge that demands that we live totally differently, not as Americans, Russians, Indians, or Buddhists or Christians. 

 I wonder if you have realized Christians have been responsible for killing humans far more than any other religious group. Don't get angry please! Then Islam, the Muslim world, then the Hindus and
the Buddhists come much later. So if the so-called Christians, the Catholics included, about eight hundred million people, if they said, "No more wars", you will have peace on this earth. But they won't say that."
http://www.krishnamurtiaustralia.org/articles/world_peace.htm

That is why I am saying that Psychological Change can only occur when we take the science on Psychological and the psychological science on Subtle Mind Control up to serious consideration - while we of course honestly aim for altruism. There will be no altruism without understanding of Psychology and the science on Subtle Mind Control. This is a clear fact.

And to those of you who find Masters and Chelas to be a reality I am saying this: No initaitate Master are without knowledge about the science on Subtle Mind Control. No real and true avanced Chela either.


All the above are of course just my views. I do not claim myself infallible as a "pope" or similar
I do hope that at least some of it will be useful for something altruistic and good.



M. Sufilight

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: MKR 
  To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2011 3:48 AM
  Subject: [?? Probable Spam] Re: theos-talk the Christian Saviour, like Krishna


    
  I would concentrate on the message these Great Beings brought to us. The
  message and its effect on the Humanity is more important than the mechanics
  of how the message was transmitted from whom. The message of love and
  brotherhood which permeates all the teachings of all the Saviours is
  something we have to think about. I am glad we are discussing the
  foundation of all spiritual growth of all of us.

  On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Jeremy Condick <jpcondick2011@MNFMarRHXFtfJ7mN2J-4eoT9umeSG_xGU5iVolCpd8N8HCxZufpit6XwpIG9fm7K0Ba5lUwC4b1npGJR10O4gcKAYg.yahoo.invalid>wrote:

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  > The Christ is known also as the Maitreya. He is the head of the spiritual
  > hierarchy and teacher of angels and of men and the great Lord of Love and
  > of Compassion. Jesus gave up his body for use by the Christ. The Master
  > Jesus is indeed as you say, an adept.
  >
  > "The World Teacher - takes office cyclically. His cycles do not coincide
  > with those of the Manu as the Manu holds office for the entire root-race.
  > The World Teacher gives out the keynote for the various religions and is
  > the emanating source for periodical religious impulses. The duration of his
  > cycles are not given out. The Buddha held office prior to the present World
  > Teacher and upon his Illumination His place was taken by the Lord Maitreya
  > whom the Occidentals call the Christ." TCF 214.
  >
  > p.s. Just a note to the group, this is offered only in the spirit of
  > brotherhood and with no concern for its refusal. DK says somewhere that
  > Maitreya cares not what religion a aspirant or disciple may be, only that
  > they recognise the love and brotherhood found in the continuity of divine
  > Revelations found in all major world religions. The thread of truth that
  > runs throughout the ages.
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  > > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
  > > From: silva_cass@qPTRqvZ9KiFqCvD2cQRseCO6X3kV7dwAQCVwoKl6927YvGtEZXnwcwnGsJuk98dBozQUEAx_34kK0gpUZQ.yahoo.invalid
  > > Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 18:46:39 -0700
  > > Subject: Re: theos-talk the Christian Saviour, like Krishna
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  > > Also, as far as I know, Jesus is not the head of any heirarchy - he is
  > an adept master. The head of the adepts I believe is Maitreya.
  > > Cass
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  > > >________________________________
  > > >From: Jeremy Condick <jpcondick2011@MNFMarRHXFtfJ7mN2J-4eoT9umeSG_xGU5iVolCpd8N8HCxZufpit6XwpIG9fm7K0Ba5lUwC4b1npGJR10O4gcKAYg.yahoo.invalid>
  > > >To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
  > > >Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2011 10:24 AM
  > > >Subject: RE: theos-talk the Christian Saviour, like Krishna
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  > > >Many thanks, John. Thank you so much for this book reference. A great
  > source indeed of some few of the Sun Gods. JPC.
  > > >
  > > >"From the very night of time, as well you know, the period wherein the
  > sun moves northward again has been regarded as a festival season; for
  > thousands of years it has been associated with the coming of the Sun-God to
  > save the world, to bring light and fruitfulness to the Earth and through
  > the work of the Son of God to bring hope to humanity." Destiny of the
  > Nations 147.
  > > >
  > > >"Thus, when Christ proclaimed (as He assuredly did), along with all
  > world Saviors and Sun-Gods, that He was the Light of the worlds, He
  > inaugurated a marvelous period in which humanity has been widely and
  > universally enlightened." DN 148.
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  > > >> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
  > > >> From: Augoeides-222@Crmsk1oSl0EYvodhjewhNCflczVhuyV3ImnFxOPxk9auXNZZAYQ9PnsMYOhrQfk57eZW6sR6ISOzZNj05TzG.yahoo.invalid
  > > >> Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 22:52:43 +0000
  > > >> Subject: Re: theos-talk the Christian Saviour, like Krishna
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  > > >>
  > > >> Jeremy and all,
  > > >>
  > > >> A certain book that Blavatsky also mentioned "The Worlds Sixteen
  > Crucified Saviors or Christianity before Christ" by Kersey Graves 1879,
  > Boston: Colby and Rich Publishers, No. 9 Montgomery Place, 384 pages. it is
  > a survey of ancient history of religion of cultures dessertates upon the
  > "Saviour" figures of pre-christian history. Madame Blavastky mentions as a
  > "Q" source respective to her readings.
  > > >>
  > > >> John
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  > > >> ----- Original Message -----
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  > > >> From: "Jeremy Condick" <jpcondick2011@MNFMarRHXFtfJ7mN2J-4eoT9umeSG_xGU5iVolCpd8N8HCxZufpit6XwpIG9fm7K0Ba5lUwC4b1npGJR10O4gcKAYg.yahoo.invalid>
  > > >> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
  > > >> Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 2:31:15 PM
  > > >> Subject: theos-talk the Christian Saviour, like Krishna
  > > >>
  > > >>
  > > >> HPB first key work proclaimed the Christ the Christian saviour and
  > Christos, AAB second key work expanded somewhat, the Christ which is a rank
  > of office of the head of hierarchy, and not the so called Christian son of
  > a personal god, Jehovah like, of the church fathers so worshiped and
  > personalised by the Roman Catholics also. This is often greatly
  > misunderstood. But it is part of our teachings. JPC.
  > > >>
  > > >> "The personal God of orthodox Theism perceives, thinks, and is
  > affected by emotion; he repents and feels "fierce anger." SD1 2.
  > > >>
  > > >> "Christian theology has evolved its self-created human and personal
  > God" SD1 613.
  > > >>
  > > >> "The Church enforces belief in a personal god and a personal devil,
  > while Occultism shows the fallacy of such a belief." SD2 475.
  > > >>
  > > >> "This Entity, Whom we call the solar Logos, is in no sense the same
  > as the personal God of the Christian, who is no more nor less than man
  > himself, expanded into a being of awful power, and subject to the virtues
  > and vices of man himself." TCF 239.
  > > >>
  > > >> "On the other hand, regarded in the light of the LOGOS, the Christian
  > Saviour, like Krishna, whether as man or logos, may be said to have saved
  > those who believed in the secret teachings from "eternal death," to have
  > conquered the Kingdom of Darkness, or Hell, as every Initiate does. This in
  > the human, terrestrial form of the Initiates, and also because the logos is
  > Christos, that principle of our inner nature which develops in us into the
  > Spiritual Ego -- the Higher-Self -- being formed of the indissoluble union
  > of Buddhi (the sixth) and the spiritual efflorescence of Manas" SD2 230.
  > > >>
  > > >> "those whom the Christian Saviour addressed as ïthe generation of
  > vipers". CW X
  > > >>
  > > >> "Like Buddha and Jesus, Apollonius was the uncompromising enemy of
  > all outward show of piety, all display of useless religious ceremonies and
  > hypocrisy. If, like the Christian Saviour, the sage of Tyana had by
  > preference sought the companionship of the poor and humble"... IU2 341.
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