Theos-Talk Archives (October 2011 Message tt00140)

Here we go again Sufiligh - haven't we been here before.
ÂWhere in the entire set of DK's works does he say one must "shout the Great invocation"?
The Great Invocation is a mantra that can be used by large groups of people to align with this impersonal Christ-love principal I regret you have failed to grasp and recognize coming through the Alice Bailey works just as it also clearly comes through HPB's works as well.
ÂYou speak of altruism in most of your posts but fail to see how critical you are around subjects you do not understand and have not researched sufficiently. You see yourself as a champion of Theosophies original guidelines but miss entirely how Theosophy is not a set of historical dogmas but evolves to meet the needs of a growing and developing humanity. You have clearly polarized yourself against the works of Alice A, Bailey when perhaps you should be looking at the parallels between the two. You are adamant about the evils of politics and the United Nations and all its limitations and foibles but use this forum to do your own type of metaphysical politicking or should I say crusade since you seem to be against the works of AAB with such a consistent fervor.
You need to explain to me why I have never met one AAB student who did not hold HPB works in high esteem and drew from her immense wisdom but Âwhy so many who have studied only classical Theosophy failed to grasp AAB's important Âcontribution? If you researched all that DK via AAB has to say on the difference between the Occult path and the Mystic path you might garner some key insights into your own process and what AAB was trying to do on a large scale.
Regretfully Duane


From: M. Sufilight <global-theosophy@ycZrWLksmUdiehz0QE5JVxRcMH0E2x8xW9X4X5P-JQiZen634zrVVuSqQIYzWSQmBEGZcLhpNabANln5w8OS5cnFQsSuCg.yahoo.invalid>
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Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2011 6:27 AM
Subject: Re: theos-talk Subtle Psychological Keys - Sectarianism or Politics in Lucist Trust and TS?


 
Dear Cass and friends

My views are:

There might be no difference at all. And there might be.
The central issue, as I see it, is what are the difference between having a knowledge about the science on Subtle Mind Control and understanding the difference between sectarian and non-sectarian behavior, and conditioning versus non-conditioning, and how subtle sectarian influence might mind control the individual etc. etc. --- versus --- following a sectarian belief, which effectively are conditioning your thought-patterns, inducing cultural bias, even promotes a belief in the masters and a thousand other things compared to totally free comparative non-sectarian studying (without having "shouted" a Great Invocation into your ears everyday), and a sect seemingly promoting you to be non-scientific about life.

M. Sufilight


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From: Cass Silva 
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2011 3:47 AM
Subject: Re: theos-talk Subtle Psychological Keys - Sectarianism or Politics in Lucist Trust and TS?

What difference does it matter which path one takes as they are only stepping stones to discovering the truth for ourselves.
Cass

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>"If an organisation are having a leader or a group of leaders (often with its own leader as well) - who forwards a doctrine or teachings given by one single author or just a uniform doctrine - ON BEHALF OF THE MEMBERS - of its organisation - then we are in truth talking about a sectarian organisation." 
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>JPC: The Lucis Trust offers study of a number of books. Namely, The Alice Bailey books, The Secret Doctrine, Isis Unveiled and other theosophical material, and the books of Helena Roerich' Agni Yoga. There is an extensive lending library of miscellaneous old and hard to find books by numerous authors, and also a continuous study of other authors works more contempary relating to science, philosophy and other subjects. The scope is very extensive indeed and does not adhere to one single author. 
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>It is non Political insofar as it does not promote one party over another or take part in contempary party politics. It is working for right human relations and the spreading of goodwill and cooperates with those who also work for the same in so far as they are able, no matter what party political persuasion they may or may not personally have. Students are not accepted according to political leanings and personal politics are not entered into. 
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>The UN is seen as the best chance humanity has of discussing or resolving international problems. Whether it works or has corruption has no bearing on the overall objective of seeking world harmony. This is a ideal to work towards and may as yet be imperfect as so much in life is today or ever has been. Right human relations are worked towards and this is the philosophy of the teachings. 
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>> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
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>> Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 22:19:22 +0200
>> Subject: theos-talk Subtle Psychological Keys - Sectarianism or Politics in Lucist Trust and TS?
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>> Dear friends
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>> My views are:
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>> Sorry about this lengthy relpy. But It seems from where I stand important to cover the subject as clearly as possible without writing a whole book about it.
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>> Now as a Seeker after Truth and Wisdom and seeking to promote altruism, I often seek comparative studying so to avoid a narrowminded or sectarian out-look upon life.
>> And I am also in the below seeking to show some of the problems and issues so to speak which our present time year 2011 are facing compared with the past with regard to the non-sectarian Theosophical Society as it was given in 1875-1891, and before it changed and became more or less sectarian after the year 1910. My study will focus on whether the Theosophical Society as it was given in 1875-1891 was political or sectarian - and - on whether the very widespread esoteric mother-organisation Lucis Trust behind the Alice A. Bailey followers are sectarian or non-sectarian, as well as political or non-political in their activities.
>> I do this because there seem to be a great deal of confusion with regard to how the word "sectarian" is defined and what it implies or can imply. Other definitions than the one given by me in the below might be useful. But I seek to stick to the present day scientists and their definition of the word "sectarian". And this I think cannot be unimportant. Further it is also well-known that the word "political" have many definitions attached to it. I do hope however that my words in the below are sufficient to cover the aspects involved in the presentation I have forwarded.
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