Theos-Talk Archives (October 2011 Message tt00098)

Dear Michael and friends

My views are:

Michael wrote:
That is the role of all Men in the One. To advocate what seems Just to them. 
is there an alternative? 
Letting the unseen Hand of Karma mystically govern our affairs without any involvement, thought or choice on our part?

HPB was not advocating Men not seek to govern themselves, surely. 

M. Sufilight says:
Yes, exactly. HPB was saying that.
And you are saying that this endeavour, men seeking to govern themselves, is possible by promoting ordinary politics with legislation like we have it today? Or are you suggesting something else, and what would that more precisely be?

Michael wrote:
"Are we to reduce Theosophy's purpose to being a quite vague meeting of people gathering without any purpose other than to come together outside those horrid sects? And then hope this will somehow be fulfiilling? "

M. Sufilight says:
No. Try to read the below link for CONSTITUTION AND RULES OF THE THEOSOPHICAL SOCIETY in 1890. You will obviously be able to throw anything you like into such a gathering - within the aims of the Society. Handsome is as handsome does. 

What is the opposite of a weak meeting? 

- I find that a non-sectarian meeting based on altruism between members of all walks in the New Age market and religions etc. must be much more helpful in promoting compassion to the planet and the many New Agers than a self-righteous sectarian one, (or one promoting its own "new political era"). Do you not think so?
- Hundreds and thousands of Theosophical study groups of various kinds, and discourses and courses can be created and forwarded. 
- Are you afraid to meet people in a non-sectarian group based on altruism where you most likely will learn something about what a narrow-minded sectarian thought-pattern is? And even where for instance the science on anti-cult psychology and subtle Mind Control is allowed to be exchanged upon; (something disallowed in many a New Age group in our time. Because leaders in sects somehow seem to dis-like such a science. Smile.).

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But maybe you have some great improvements to offer compared to my ideas?



Michael wrote:
"Rater, give Me ULT where they have an educational focus, beginning with the Epitome of Theosophy, setting out a working philosophy of life."

M. Sufilight says:
Yes. But that is a sect promoting its own version of theosophy is it not?

The ULT declaration seem to be saying it is non-sectarian, but then we read this:
"The work it has on hand and the end it keeps in view are too absorbing and too lofty to leave it the time or inclination to take part in side issues. That work and that end is the dissemination of the fundamental principles of the Philosphy of Theosophy, and the exemplification in practice of those principles, through a truer realization of the SELF; a profounder conviction of Universal Brotherhood."
http://www.ult.org/

I do not mind that the word Philosophy is spelled worngly "Philosphy" in such an important text. But, It seems to me, as if they have patented the word "Theosophy".
This seem to me to be a Society promoting a doctrine on behalf of the members. And such a one is a sectarian one - no matter whether the doctrinas are a hypothesises or not. And this was not in accordance with the Original Programe as it was given in 1875-1891 by the founders of the Theosophical Society, - because it was as stated previously "absolutely unsectarian"..."No Fellow, Officer, or Council of the Theosophical Society, or of any Section or Branch thereof, shall promulgate or maintain any doctrines being that advanced, or advocated by the Society."....etc. etc.

I am not saying that there could not be an educational focus in such a Society which I mention. --- Am I?
If you would take some time to read the link in the recent post of mine on the Society in mention, - I think you would realise that study groups of various kinds in a given center indeed is an option and other issues as well. But each member or a group of member will have to decide what they do.

Here it is again:
CONSTITUTION AND RULES OF THE THEOSOPHICAL SOCIETY in 1890 
--- http://www.teozofija.info/tsmembers/Rules_1890.htm



All the above are of course just my views. I do not claim myself infallible as a "pope" or similar
I do hope that at least some of it will be useful for something altruistic and good.


M. Sufilight




  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: libertyson11 
  To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 5:52 AM
  Subject: theos-talk Enough of politics


    
  Sufilight

  So, no Theosophical entity should be engaged in partisan politics. fine. 

  That is settled. 

  "What gives you the right to decide what laws should be made and what actions should be taken? - (Blavatsky said wisely: "Foolish is the gardener who seeks to weed his flower-bed of poisonous plants by cutting them off from the surface of the soil, instead of tearing them out by the roots. "

  That is the role of all Men in the One. To advocate what seems Just to them. 
  is there an alternative? 
  Letting the unseen Hand of Karma mystically govern our affairs without any involvement, thought or choice on our part?

  HPB was not advocating Men not seek to govern themselves, surely. 

  Your list is decent, and as you say, any New Ager can come up with many ways to work on their altruism.

  Are we to reduce Theosophy's purpose to being a quite vague meeting of people gathering without any purpose other than to come together outside those horrid sects? And then hope this will somehow be fulfiilling? 

  The results in the West will not be to hopeful with this approach, methinks. 

  Rater, give Me ULT where they have an educational focus, beginning with the Epitome of Theosophy, setting out a working philosophy of life. 

  Please keep your responses as concise as possible. I don't know how much more time I can spend on this. 



  

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