Theos-Talk Archives (June 2011 Message tt00145)

Dear John

My views are:

Smile. Bill Hamilton looks more like the Mel Gibson character in the movie:Conspiracy Theory (1997). The point being: He might be a bit lost, but there is a grain of truth in what he is saying.
The 1952 incident might be true, and yet it might not. No doubt, something not normal happened, but was it aliens, or just the Masters playing a stunt on humanity, or simply natural occurring light balls or...?

There is a huge difference between a hoax and a non-hoax.
And since there are so many hoaxes, what to do?

Politics with its laws, prisons and judges etc. is to me a nuisance. I would rather that people understood, that the Psychological Key to the whole present day situation is simply to a great degree based on the fact that humanity is divided into the following 3-5 groups.

a) The Atheist. When you are dead you are gone, totally and completely. you only have this one single life. (And since you do not know about the other group with certainty, you have to calculate with this group.) Fear is driving the majority of members in this group. And egoism as well. 
b) The Christian Dogmatic view. When you die, you are gone, and on Judgment Day you either go to an eternal Hell (with a "lake of fire", "burning sulphur", the "beast and false prophets" or if you are lucky you go to an eternal Heaven (with pavements of gold, pearly gates etc.). And the Christian male God decides this without anyone being able to sway his mind. - The world is evil, and fear is created through the phobia about an eternal Hell. - Some Christian groups however allow you to buy your self into salvation.
Such a life is in general based on fear about whether it will be Hell or Heaven, or perhaps something else, because the worldview is based on belief not knowledge.
c) Islam has a similar view. Their God is however not considered to be a male. 
d) The Eastern view. The Doctrine on Karma and Reincarnation. Humans are immortals. Death is merely an illusion. No need to fear. The Law of Karma is just and never fails. The Universe operates in great cycles, called Manavantaras. At the final Manvantara, called the Maha-Manvantara for the entire Cosmos - all Cosmos rolls back into the Unmanifested, into a Pralaya. And those beings, and humans who go beyond that Unmanifested reach the abode of the Unmanifested and Unchangable, beyond thought, time and space. This is Parabrahm, devoid of any attributes. And from Parabrahm, Karma sprang.- No eternal Hell, no Eternal Heaven. They are just illusions based on time existence and are therefore changeable. Only going beyond time is unchangeable. So says the ancient Eastern Scriptures.
e) Various other groups and special sub-sections of the above groups.

Now because most human beings on this planet follow a), b) or c) as the primary view on life we witness the results. Greed, fear, bigotry, dogmatic phobia, and other psychological blockages are prevalent on this planet year 2011. When people realise that they are living within a spiritual universe - a universe with divinity, they change. They become humble and compassionate. Until then we will have to wait and do our best to help. And new babies arrive every day. The Law of Karma seems a reality.

Yet the science of Psychology, although for the time being still very materialistic in nature in many quarters, are progressing - and the Christian dogmas on an Eternal Hell and damnations are in the decrease. The Ateist stance are however still prevalent and still resisting rational behavior - despite science these days have proven that there are reasons to believe that there indeed is a life after death (Dr. Pim van Lommel and others - http://www.zarqon.co.uk/Lancet.pdf - article in the Lancet magazine, dec. 2001. Others could be mentioned.), and that Dolphins have an extra sense called a Bio-Sonar, and that various birds can sense magnetic currents, and that dogs can hear sound beyond the human ears, and other reports etc. etc.

>From the above each individual aught to ("roughly" speaking) choose his or her path in life or outside of it. And while doing this, I recommend that they keep an eye on the psychological science on Mind Control with regard to spiritual groups and alternative treatments etc. Egoism can hardly be the greatest purpose with life.

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With regard to the Maya Calendar and the 2012 myths, I am still saying that every moment in time is important. In the spiritual world we do not have any days, which are more important than others. It is as I see it only because people belong to group a), b) or c) in the above that they react so weird. In those groups we find that fear of death is still driving their lives. Those living primarily in group d) are not giving such prophecies undue value. It is said that the area of the Mayas and their calendars was a part of Atlantis with its false magicians in the old days and that only the calendars in India hold the true key to astrology. (See also Blavatsky in the Secret Doctrine). We do not find much 2012 talk in India and China these days do we? It is always those Westerners who like emotions, drama, excitement and to stir things up.



These are my views, knowledge and hypothesises.



M. Sufilight






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  Morten, 
  Your links are nostalgic to me lol! William F. Hamilton III first introduced me to George Van tassel and all the others way back in 1975. I forgot to mention Howard Menger in my previous post. I am not sure who resurrected the George Van Tassel website it is much different than the original that was owned by his Family who survived him. The got into arguments about it and took it down as a result. But there a couple of 1952 events that were mentioned and also shown for instance the photos of the UFO Group of over 20 UFO's over the National Capitol in Washington, D.C. when Dwight David Eisenhower was President, they were not illusions, they were also recorded on the radar. !952 also was meaningful in England as to the Ashtar event. Btw, Bill Hamilton has a huge archive of UFO History including the "The Proceedings" of Van Tassel and Daniel Fry's "Understanding" Bill was an officer in the Inglewood,CA. Chapter of "Understanding". Dan Fry had a Center at Tonapah that was pretty impressive with round UFO buildings, I had a very significant paranormal experience there with the "Fellas" during a Communication by a Traducere Illuminati named Robert Short who delivered the message from the Presidium of the Solar Council of our solar system. 

  Also I think the mention of Steven Speilberg is correct that Van Tassel had contact with Speilberg. YTou might also have noticed the Attendance numbers to the UFO Conventions were larger than the USA National membership for Theosophical Society. I have also seen the "Monitor Spheres" zipping around Robert Short's Home during his "Communcation" through the Kronomonitor of Saturn and" Adhi". I have also seen the Craft on several occasions and in a variety of types and sizes. 

  My view is the reality that we experience is that of Consciousness of a higher level than is the norm for Earth people, and that it is unlimited by distance or from itself and can accomadate itself to the conventiopns of those it chooses to have interaction with in appropiate context and form that conveys a non-threatening presentation. It is mutable due to intrinsic nature of consciousness itself. Back then I always held a thought "I want to meet the "projectionist"! even when the produced effects were astonishing. 

  I might also mention that in Van Tassels case the use of "tensor" regarding the Beam characteristics is a norm today in use by lost of different organizations and Nations. Today they can send a "beam" to aloow the alusion of some one actually speaking to you from a tree if desired lol. and there are multiple others media forms that are off the shelve today. I might allo say the Robert Short has foro ver 30 years speken of the "Senzar" Communication. 

  Buy a copy of this book: 

  >>>http://www.amazon.com/Transformation-Common-Man-Brian-Scott/dp/0759639949/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1229416849&sr=1-3<<< 

  Watch these Video's which are real testimony's ( I met and knew all of them) : 

  >>>http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=jimfrazie22&hl=en&emb=0#<<< 

  In the Brian Scott Case it was given that the "Dawn of Lift of Mind" would happen Dec. 24, 2011 not 2012 lol! The 2012 Mayan alendar date is taken from Monument 6 containing the glyphs of the "Return" of "Yoke Bolon" the Leader of the Mayan Gods also signaling the Transformation of tyhe Mind of All Mankind, this does not necessarily mean a gigantic change but a rather a unique portal into the Doorway Nebulous to Time, the portal of Consciousness itself in keeping with Blavatskys mention of the Etheric realities. Blavatsky also mention the "Twilight transition cycle" 0f 216 years perhaps this is a good handle about the advent of Aquarius also. 

  Monument 6 Bolon Yokte 

  >>>ttp://www.calleman.com/content/articles/the_tortuguero%20_monument.htm<<< 

  Regards, 
  John 

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  Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 5:17:07 AM 
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  Dear John and friends 

  My views are: 

  John Wrote: 
  "My personal view is "Omens". "Predictions", "Astrology" and such alters the specific status of any individual if they come to reliance upon them. The status shifts from "Self- Determined Being" to "Other-Determined being" which is an inferior condition for 99.99% 0f the human population and a very undesirable "effect point" psychologically. all the "Convergance" and Predictions just never hold much water at all in my experience." 

  I tend to agree very much with those words. 

  Interesting words you have there in the post. 
  No. George Van Tassel was not much of a prophet. But he certainly did an effort in seeking to convince people to BELIEVE that - now THEY- are here. 

  George Van Tassel 
  http://obscurantist.com/oma/van-tassel-george/ 
  George Van Tassel (less accurate it seems) 
  http://www.rense.com/general70/tass.htm 
  George Van Tassel and Spielberg 
  (The claimed non-secterian College of Universal Wisdom) 
  http://www.georgevantassel.com/index.html 

  "Ashtar 
  An entity channeled by George Van Tassel as described in I Rode in a Flying Saucer (1953). 

  A particularly revealing transmission by Ashtar occurred on March 20, 1953: 
  I am authorized to inform you, we are in constant communication with our people we have in your national capitol. You will be hearing of an increase of phenomena resulting in many hallucinations, so-called, by your people. We have been in your immediate vicinity. I repeat. Do not be alarmed by unusual occurrences around you. We are now over your Mississippi River and now we arrive in your city of San Franciscoâ. Our plans are taking shape. Be prepared for anything. My love. I am Ashtar. Discontinue. 

  (from The Last Prom, issue 3) " 
  http://obscurantist.com/oma/ashtar/ 

  Orfeo M Angelucci"On August 2, Neptune told Angelucci that The Great Accidentâthreatened to destroy the Earth in 1986." http://obscurantist.com/oma/orfeo-m-angelucci/ 

  Well, it seems that it began with Mahatma Letters, plus the Puranas and the Secret Doctrine about Viwan Vidya etc. --- and that it so far has ended with UFO's, Aliens and Channelings of a more or less trustworthy kind. 

  - - - 
  Secret Doctrine Vol. II (p. 78, 93-325) tell us about the War in Heaven with regard to the Third Root-Race, and about monsters and various mal-functioning creatures, and Viwan Vidya (the science on flying machines), and is referring to the ancient work named Harivamsa and the Babylonian tablets on the same, and traces of the same teachings about giants in Norse Mythology and Genesis in the Christian Bible, and in the "Book of Enoch" (which in the beginning was more or less accepted by the early Christians. See Jude 14-15. The Book of Enoch in Wikipedia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Enoch - The Ethiopian Orthodox Church being an exception about its relation to this book - The Book of Enoch - 1883 translation - http://www.johnpratt.com/items/docs/enoch.html ). 

  H. P. Blavatsky said: " Our Fifth Race is rapidly approaching the Fifth Element â call it interstellar ether, if you will â which has more to do, however, with psychology than with physics." (Secret Doctrine, Vol. II, p. 135) 
  http://www.phx-ult-lodge.org/SDVolume2.htm 

  Just a few extra views. 

  M. Sufilight 

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  Morten, 
  Lol! I knew George Van Tassel and his wife who made great apple pie at the Giant Rock Cafe'. George was a rational compassionate, quite man with good manners who was very easy to like. There may still be a Van Tassel website online that shows photos of George at the aircraft plants and the Integratron. Quite a few statments in the Wiki page are not factual in my personal view about the Integratron. It was operated at up to 70 % operating design on 2 occasions during which it knocked Las Vegas off the grid due to it's huge power draw, the US Gov. then stopped Van tassel from operating it again. The ring assembly was complete as far as I am told. George Van tassel wasn't the first to mention the Ashtar Command, there used to be a film online of the "1952 " Ashtar Message of the TV studio anchors, it was in black and white and recorded the confusion of the TV Anchors. it has been scrubbed from online now . The Giant Rock UFO Conventions were great fun, I met Orfeo Angelucci and many of the other "experiencers" back then that went to Giant Rock, like Daniel Fry, Hal Wilcox, Robert Short, Gabriel Green, Mel Noel (Guy Kirkwood). It is true that the "Fella's" had a preoccupation about Nuclear Weapons and always warned about the negative consequences of possession. later the Nuclear Atmospheric Test Ban was signed by friends and foe's alike after they realized we had poisons out atmosphere for over 300 years into the future and the planet was never going to be the same again for a very, very long time. The reason for the lack of metal in the integratron was the huge electrostatic energy it created, There wasn't a single metal nail in it, George used wood pegs throughout. the huge generating "rings were under ground circling the Integratron and no one could see them. Nobody after George had the plans or knowledge to complete it. It was a "project" he was assigned by the "Fella's" which he loyally spent his like trying to create for better or for worse. George wasn't into apocalypse type announcements at all and when you chatted with him he was always very down to earth. 

  My personal view is "Omens". "Predictions", "Astrology" and such alters the specific status of any individual if they come to reliance upon them. The status shifts from "Self- Determined Being" to "Other-Determined being" which is an inferior condition for 99.99% 0f the human population and a very undesirable "effect point" psychologically. all the "Convergance" and Predictions just never hold much water at all in my experience. 

  Regards, 
  John 
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  Dear Cass and friends 

  My views are: 

  Try this...and scroll down to year 1914 (Jehovahâs Witnesses), 1953 (David Davidson), 1982 (even NASA predicts), 1987 (Harmonic Convergence), 1996 (Sheldon Nidle) or so. 

  Prediction Addiction Versus Prophecy: False Apocalyptic Dates 
  http://appleofgodseye.wordpress.com/2009/03/26/prediction-addiction-versus-prophecy-false-apocalyptic-dates/ 

  Library of Date Setters of 
  The End of the World!!! 
  Over 200 predictions and counting! 
  http://www.bible.ca/pre-date-setters.htm 

  Also but not mentioned in the above: 
  Giant Rock with George Van Tassel and the Ashtar Command, and also Yvonne Cole 
  "The Giant Rock Spacecraft Convention " 
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Van_Tassel 
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashtar_%28extraterrestrial_being%29 

  The above links are in various respects the origin to the present day 2012 myths. 
  People discovered that money could be earned and fame gained by pulling a stunt like this. 

  My views are: 
  To spend a huge amount of time on something like a prophecy - about what is called - "special events", is a waste of spiritual time. When you know, you know. When you make poems you make poems. When you seek to sell books, you seek to sell books. When you seek to earn money by this, you seek to earn money by it. When you seek fame or power by this, you seek fame or power by it. 

  Yet some persons on this planet are like our wellknown Fox Mulder with his poster saying: "I Want to Believe!" 
  http://www.whispermag.co.uk/siteimage/scale/0/0/28994.gif 

  Smile. 

  Just because a great number of persons buy the Christian Bible, it does not imply that the Bible primarily is good and healty for people to read. Does it? 
  And just because most books (or almost) among the New Age groups these days have nervous break-down about the year 2012, it does not imply that they are right, does it? 

  Ask yourself the following question: 
  Why should any particular moment in the whole Universe be of more importance than another? 

  I suggest that the 2012 prophets, Think carefully about this question. 

  When you seek to - primarily - make people believe and not know, you seek to do just that. And I am one of those who will not bargin about this. 
  I seek to help people to actually know based on actual facts, and, not through pseudo-scientific observations producing fear in peoples minds. 

  Just a few views of mine. 

  M. Sufilight 

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  From: Cass Silva 
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  Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 2:03 AM 
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  If you guys aren't aware of the disturbing and changing weather patterns that are occuring at the moment you must be residing in Plato's cave. Things are changing, Blavatsky was right, Japan, as she predicted, would be under water. Whether it is coincidence that these events are occuring as we approach the Mayan 2012 calendar or if this is another minor cycle we can only guess at, but what cannot be disregarded is the fact that mother nature is addressing an imbalance. 

  Cass 

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  >A view: 
  >Too little emphasis on the difference between Mind Control, secterian and non-secterian, as well as dogmatic versus non-docmatic --- and the actual difference between those terms as given in various dictionaries, wikipedia, and the ignorance about those terms and their actual differences among New Age seekers and even theosophical seekers. 
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  >One could suggest that the purely scientific theories and hypothesises given by Tavistock Clinic (and similar) and the theories on "Flooding" (Pavlov's dogs) and the Manchurian Candidate, hypnosis theories (as given today), and also Mind Control (subtle persuasion techniques used by Leaders in Sects) could be compared with theosophical views and teachings on the same. 
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  >M. Sufilight 
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  >Balderdash and flapdoodle! 
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  >Chuck the Heretic 
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  >In a message dated 6/23/2011 8:42:55 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
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