Theos-Talk Archives (June 2011 Message tt00061)

John:

Here is the link to scribd.com where the material has been posted by the
author.

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MKR

On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 4:22 AM, John W <JohnWW@vCCZ1ofU31t85WYBsy6dQWpAlqQjPnrldy8H-ppnlVsck7NdC3WjBAzng3Mct1X163uP28W2vRI.yahoo.invalid> wrote:

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> Can you email me the PDF of the first chapter, please? Thanks in advance.
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> Your comments support the  "Back To Blavatsky" movement in Theosophy.
>
> John W.
>
> --- On Sun, 12/6/11, MKR <mkr777@MntRMr4bd04CwSkDZ7eNPUIzURAe8vXVcF1D8W4hB99gcfdMvr-TfqGtF8yL5Xvrjk28tj9n0BA.yahoo.invalid> wrote:
> From: MKR <mkr777@MntRMr4bd04CwSkDZ7eNPUIzURAe8vXVcF1D8W4hB99gcfdMvr-TfqGtF8yL5Xvrjk28tj9n0BA.yahoo.invalid>
> Subject: theos-talk Krotona, Theosophy & Krishnamurti by Joseph Ross - A
> brief review
> To: "theos-talk" <Theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Sunday, 12, June, 2011, 5:09 PM
>
>
>
>
> I was able to access the first chapter of the book and found the material
> in
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> it very valuable and interesting. The author should be congratulated in
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> coming out with a book which is well put together and excellent editing. It
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> is a very valuable addition that any historian of Theosophical Society
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> should read. Here are some of my observations.
>
> The book has been organized by years 1927 to 1931. First chapter deals with
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> the events in 1927 even though there are references to materials of later
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> years.
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> In the introduction, the author says âThis book us written in chronological
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> order in the format of a diary, using rare archival documents describing
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> entirely authentic and factual events taking place in Krotona, giving
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> insight behind the scenes that have never been made public.â
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> The archival material that the author has used is priceless and should be
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> congratulated for his efforts in securing them and presenting them in his
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> books.
>
> We need to remind ourselves that After Annie Besant took over from Olcott,
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> one notices a gradual lack of transparency in TS which continues even
> today.
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> Also, there is a tendency to unnecessarily keep original material secret
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> even though of great importance to the TS and its members.
>
> The classic example is the famous 1900 letter from Mahatma KH where he
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> warned Besant about âMisleading secrecy has given the death blow to
> numerous
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> organizations.â and this warning was among the material redacted in the
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> original publication and the full letter was only published in 1987 in the
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> Eclectic Theosophist which is outside the control of Adyar TS.
>
> The first chapter has a lot of material on the happenings behind the scenes
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> which led to the purchase of land in Ojai and establishment of Krotona ES
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> Center.
>
> One of the important accounts contained in the book was George Arundaleâs
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> conversation with Besant concerning the predictions of the World-Teacherâs
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> coming. I think this is important and valuable information since there has
>
> been arguments by some theosophists claiming that the World-Teacher project
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> centered around Krishnamurti had failed because He did not repeat the
>
> sequence of events that took place when Lord Christ made His appearance
> 2000
>
> years ago. Here is an excerpt:
>
> âIn August 1927 I stayed at Eerde Castle for a month before the Ommen Camp.
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> It was the first year during which difficulties became serious, or took a
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> serious tum between
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> Krishnamurti's teaching and the predictions made for 15 years previously by
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> the leaders of the T.S. and particularly Dr. Besant and C.W.L. According to
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> these predictions, a
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> recurrence was to take place of what had been before, the Lord Christ was
> to
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> "occupy" Krishnamurti's body and give out the new message through his lips.
>
> Indeed, some corroboration of these predictions had already taken place at
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> Benares in 1911, at Adyar in 1925, at Ommen in 1926. For a short time while
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> Krishnaji was speaking he seemed to lose consciousness, a mighty voice
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> seemed to speak through his lips and a tremendously powerful influence was
>
> felt by all those who listened, yet in 1927 all was changed. We knew that
> in
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> January 1927 important occult events had taken place in Ojai when changes
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> had been brought about in Krishnaji's physical and inner being, we knew
> that
>
> he
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> had reached union with the lord and we could see, and he told us that no
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> occupation of his body was taking place, nor would take place any more,
> that
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> whenever he spoke it was
>
> he, Krishnaji, and no other who experienced the thought and thought out the
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> words. The turmoil and confusion during that month were great. There were
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> those who, knowing of the change, resented the faulty description given by
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> our leaders and expressed their resentment bitterly; there were those who
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> not perceiving the difference, or uninformed as to changes, spoke high in
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> their loyalty to the leaders. Endless discussions took place between them
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> and Krishnaji finally asked me to go to Dr. Besant and tell her definitely
>
> all the truth, such as it was, and therefore of the error made until then.â
>
> In the archival documents, there are discussions about some well known
>
> theosophists put on Probation by the Masters. All them are from the United
>
> States. This raises the question are not theosophists in other parts of the
>
> world put on Probation by the Masters. Logic tells us that many from
> various
>
> parts of the world would have been put on probation. If any information is
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> currently available in Adyar archives, disclosure will be of interest to
>
> theosophists.
>
> The market for the book is going to be small, mainly consisting of
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> theosophists and a few historians. The book is priced at US$30 and this is
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> very pricey for most theosophists outside the West. There is no easy way to
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> break even on publishing the book unless it is going to be made available
> as
>
> print on demand book. The only way to quickly ensure very wide distribution
>
> is to make a pdf file available for download for $1.99 so that even casual
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> reader would be inclined to download it and by the volume one can make a
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> profit. This has been demonstrated by the download of songs and Android
>
> programs. Another practical fact of life is that in a short time after
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> publication, books are scanned and exchanged under the radar.
>
> As the author is a long time theosophist, I am sure he is very much
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> motivated in getting widest possible distribution around the world.
>
> Hopefully, we will hear from him on this topic.
>
> MKR
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