Theos-Talk Archives (April 2011 Message tt00020)

I tend to agree.
Very interesting.


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Erica L. Georgiades 
  To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 10:58 AM
  Subject: Re: theos-talk Re: Justice to Judge in 2011


    
  Thanks for posting this interesting article written by Leslie Price.

  Erica

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  From: jdmsoares <jdmsoares@gG4PAJAhhECwwP0gB8yn06jdsaYaoLJF7iB-q0A7LidxJCYAAv47bNY2X2xjI_h5XA55QI7DNcIiHhD5.yahoo.invalid>
  To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 5:17:18 PM
  Subject: theos-talk Re: Justice to Judge in 2011

  Dear Erica, MKR, friends,

  Thanks Erica. You are right.

  For those who haven't read yet I will take the liberty to share here
  an important text by Leslie Price, entitled "Call to Reopen Judge
  Case".

  Best regards,

  Joaquim

  0000000000000000000000000
  Call To Reopen Judge Case

  Notes by the Way

  Leslie Price

  00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 Reproduced from PSYPIONEER
  bulletin,Volume 2, No 4; April 2006, pp. 91-92. Mr.Leslie Price is a
  well-known British historianof the Theosophical Movement. In the
  1980s, hefounded the magazine "Theosophical History".
  00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
  Let's summarise, and then comment on a recent Theosophical development.

  A Brazilian Theosophist has called on the Adyar-based Theosophical
  Society to reopen the case of one of its founders, later its American
  leader, William Quan Judge (1851-1896). In 1894, Judge was accused of
  misusing the name of and handwriting of the Mahatmas, the advanced men
  believed to have inspired the formation of the Society. This led to a
  schism among Theosophists which persists to this day. The United Lodge
  of Theosophists, the T.S. Pasadena, and the independent Edmonton
  Theosophical Society (Alberta, Canada) are among groups supporting
  Judge.
  In a letter published in the Edmonton journal Fohat (Spring 2006) Carlos
  Cardoso Aveline suggests that "independent students could write
  annual, open letters to the Adyar Theosophical Society asking it to
  re-examine its 'process' moved against William Q. Judge in 1894-5 and
  suggesting that its leaders should either show proofs of his guilt or
  declare him innocent of any charges whatsoever." This letter also
  appears on the Edmonton web site
  http://www.theosophycanada.com/fohat_justice.htm
  <http://www.theosophycanada.com/fohat_justice.htm> In June 2004 the
  Edmonton Society published a 1000 page book "The Judge Case: a
  conspiracy which ruined the Theosophical Cause" by Ernest Pelletier
  which printed much relevant documentation. However in an Addendum to the
  "Supplement" to this book, Pelletier charged that the Adyar
  Society was withholding relevant documentation, in order to preserve the
  impression that Judge was guilty.In his letter, Aveline draws attention
  to the 1885 case of H.P.Blavatsky who was also accused as a fraud - in
  this case by the SPR. In April 1986, however, the SPR (which has no
  collective views) published in its Journal a paper by a senior member,
  Dr Vernon Harrison, which was highly critical of the previous findings.
  An SPR press release made Dr Harrison's new investigation widely known.
  0000000 Now, does the Blavatsky /SPR case offer lessons for the Judge
  Case? I believe it does. The SPR had been asked to make available its
  surviving documentation about the Blavatsky investigation by Walter
  Carrithers ( pseudonym Adlai Waterman ) and it did so about 1960.
  Carrithers could be regarded as a hostile critic, in much the same way
  as Aveline or Pelletier could be regarded as hostile, but the material
  was made available anyway, and it circulated in photocopied or microfilm
  form among theosophical historians, before bearing fruit. (It revealed,
  incidentally, that Blavatsky had produced bell phenomena in the presence
  of members of the investigating committee, but this had been deleted at
  proof stage of a report. The written decision to delete had survived.)
  91 Later the SPR, after putting Dr Harrison's paper through its normal
  review procedure, published it and publicised it. Not all members of the
  SPR agreed with Dr Harrison, just as not all agreed with the original
  Blavatsky report. But the sting of the mutual antipathy which had
  sometimes characterised SPR/TS relations since 1885 was drawn. Does the
  TS Adyar have any documents which would assist the defenders, or for
  that matter, the critics, of Judge? In the same issue of Fohat,
  Pelletier points to at least one relevant letter (Judge to Khandalavala
  Sept. 17 1884) of which he has a photocopy, but which he suspects may
  have been tampered with in the original. And he has been told by Adyar
  people of other relevant material at Adyar. Any new material could be
  published in a suitable place, like the quarterly journal
  "Theosophical History." In due course, "The Theosophist"
  (Adyar's main journal) could carry one of more articles by senior
  Theosophists of various views and organisations, drawing lessons from
  the case, in the light of what we now know. This might go some way to
  healing the wounds of the schism. However, I would not want to single
  out Adyar in this situation. It is but one of a number of relevant
  Theosophical archives. In the pro-Judge TS Pasadena may be found letters
  of Olcott and Besant to Judge, the diaries of Judge, and the letters of
  the Mahatmas to Judge which featured in the Case. Someone might suggest
  the TS Pasadena was suppressing evidence of Judge's guilt. In fact all
  archives, by preserving documentation, are performing a vital service.
  It would be useful now to move beyond charges and for all parties to
  work together to get all relevant documentation into the scholarly
  domain. Beyond this Case, Judge was not only a profound Theosophical
  thinker, whose writings merit study, but also a witness to a variety of
  HPB phenomena - and a severe critic of the American psychic scene of his
  time. LESLIE PRICE
  00000000000000000000 Always visit www.esoteric-philosophy.com
  <http://www.esoteric-philosophy.com/> and 
  www.filosofiaesoterica.com/english
  <http://www.filosofiaesoterica.com/english> .
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  --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Erica L. Georgiades"
  <eletzerich@...> wrote:
  >
  > Plus I think for a proper revision of the case to be done, a neutral
  historian
  > should be invited to put together the material in Adyar and revise it.
  Those who
  > praise Besant or Judge are not in position to do a proper revision
  because their
  > views would be biased. A neutral and clear (not manipulated) revision
  of the
  > facts involving Judge's case is something missing from the pages of
  Theosophical
  > History.
  >
  >
  > Erica
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  > ________________________________
  > From: Erica L. Georgiades eletzerich@...
  > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
  > Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 10:41:56 AM
  > Subject: Re: theos-talk Justice to Judge in 2011
  >
  >
  > Doss,
  >
  > I haven't read it.
  >
  > Now a growing group of persons are sending letters to Adyar
  -requesting a
  > revision of Judge's case- since2006. There is a lot of Judge's
  material which
  > were never published. At this point Adyar should have invited some
  historians
  > and writers, to re-examine the material in the archives and prepare a
  new
  > publication. Judge was a Theosophists a dedicated one and one of the
  founders
  > of the T.S.. Right now I know there is an ongoing revision of
  Leadbeater's life
  > being prepared by some members who do consider important to clarify
  some points
  > regarding CWL's life. Why a revision of Judge's case would be less
  important?
  > No, a revision of Judge's case is a relevant and should be done. At
  least all
  > the material regarding Judge's case should be made availeable for
  publication.
  >
  > Erica
  >
  > ________________________________
  > From: MKR mkr777@...
  > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
  > Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 10:12:14 AM
  > Subject: Re: theos-talk Justice to Judge in 2011
  >
  > How many have seen or read the voluminous volume published in Canada?
  It is
  > not inexpensive, costing about US$80. Making it available as a pdf
  file for
  > free will enable more readers around the world to get familiar with
  the
  > discussion on the issue.
  >
  > On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 12:55 AM, Erica L. Georgiades
  > eletzerich@...wrote:
  >
  > >
  > >
  > > There are persons who wants Judge's case to be revised. That wish
  should be
  > >
  > > respected.
  > >
  > > There are many historical facts regarding the case which were never
  > > published.
  > > Judge's letters at the archives of the T.S. in Adyar,
  > > were never published. The particular issue regarding Judge's case
  -for me
  > > personally- does not interest me much. But I've been observing for
  years
  > > now a
  > > group of persons (growing group) from all around the world sending
  every
  > > year
  > > letters to Adyar, requesting a re-examination of the case. It is not
  right,
  > > it
  > > is not fair to keep on ignoring them.
  > >
  > > Erica
  > >
  > > ________________________________
  > > From: MKR mkr777@...
  > > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
  > > Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 3:37:04 AM
  > > Subject: Re: theos-talk Justice to Judge in 2011
  > >
  > >
  > > In my humble opinion, the problems facing TS today is far more
  critical
  > > than
  > > what went on years ago. I think it is time to move on with problems
  at
  > > hand.
  > >
  > > MKR
  > >
  > > On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 6:17 PM, jdmsoares jdmsoares@... wrote:
  > >
  > > >
  > > >
  > > >
  > > > Dear friends,
  > > >
  > > > In the next days open letters will be send to Adyar, asking for
  the
  > > > re-examination of the accusation against William Judge, we have
  > > > published at our websites the text:
  > > >
  > > > Justice to Judge in 2011
  > > >
  > > > The Sixth Year of Open Letters to India
  > > >
  > > > The direct links are:
  http://www.theosophyonline.com/ler.php?id=220
  > > > <http://www.theosophyonline.com/ler.php?id=220> and
  > > >
  http://www.esoteric-philosophy.com/2011/03/justice-to-judge-in-2011.html
  > > >
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