Theos-Talk Archives (March 2011 Message tt00077)

What we are witnessing at the moment is collective and national karma. I have not read one word of compassion fromÂtheos talkÂwho have not beenÂeffected by recent events in the world, who are more concerned with concepts rather than reality. 
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We are witnessing Noahic floods and devastation and all one can discuss is theosophical literature and conceptual ideas on what it means to be altruistic. The irony is that if the destruction continues, and I believe it will, accessing E-books will be the last thing on peoples minds.
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From: M. Sufilight <global-theosophy@ubMvmNrqqkI5XA_yWhv1dJvdhUtuKF-fPQPH82stB0FBGXHYkdR9j5bEX7JYMZ_QhPG5mFvSm8RWoBLAq1E5IYiohNO-.yahoo.invalid>
Subject: Re: theos-talk Charity among the theosophists
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Received: Tuesday, 15 March, 2011, 3:32 AM


 



Dear Cass and friends

My views are:

I will say, that those who are concerned about the Law of Karma and Reincarnation - are concerned with the karmic need of the individual and humanity as a whole, and its various groups.

I would rather say that people need help for their psychological requirements!
Theosophy is as we know the exact science on psychology. Altruism is the core, which I am concerned with as a theosophical Seeker, and not primarily physical events.

And no, the soul will not just like that take care of it self. Sorry, but I disagree.
The soul understood as Kama-Manas will not for obvious reasons take care of it self. The soul understood as Atma-Buddhi-Manas will neither. Teaching and compassion are even important here according to my knowledge. But, these are just my views.

I say: 
First the promotion of altruism - and reform in human nature.
After that materialism will become less imoprtant.
Without reform in human nature - I find business-related charity and the wellmeaning rebuilding of a materialistic society is a less promising agenda. - Yet, of course one aught to help those who are in need. That implies not necessarily that one help them with what they think they need, but what they are in spiritual need of, so a reform in human nature might take place.

But, these are just my views.

M. Sufilight

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Cass Silva 
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 1:57 AM
Subject: Re: theos-talk Charity among the theosophists

We are in a different world to that which Blavatsky spoke of. People who have experienced catastrophes and lived through them need help for their physical requirements - the soul will take care of itself. 

Why is that the Roman church keeps silent during these times. Because they couldn't give a rats arse about the victims. ;let alone putting financial support behind them.

Cass

--- On Mon, 14/3/11, M. Sufilight <global-theosophy@ubMvmNrqqkI5XA_yWhv1dJvdhUtuKF-fPQPH82stB0FBGXHYkdR9j5bEX7JYMZ_QhPG5mFvSm8RWoBLAq1E5IYiohNO-.yahoo.invalid> wrote:

From: M. Sufilight <global-theosophy@ubMvmNrqqkI5XA_yWhv1dJvdhUtuKF-fPQPH82stB0FBGXHYkdR9j5bEX7JYMZ_QhPG5mFvSm8RWoBLAq1E5IYiohNO-.yahoo.invalid>
Subject: theos-talk Charity among the theosophists
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Received: Monday, 14 March, 2011, 2:40 AM

Dear friends

My views are:

Now most of us have just seen the problems in Japan - which are given huge media coverage.
People because of that, seem to forget the sufferings in other regions on the globe, and especially the poor in Africa.

H. P. Blavatsky something quite special about Charity:
"ENQUIRER. But surely every one knows that millions and millions are spent annually on private and public charities?

THEOSOPHIST. Oh, yes; half of which sticks to the hands it passes through before getting to the needy; while a good portion or remainder gets into the hands of professional beggars, those who are too lazy to work, thus doing no good whatever to those who are really in misery and suffering. Haven't you heard that the first result of the great outflow of charity towards the East-end of London was to raise the rents in Whitechapel by some 20 per cent.?

ENQUIRER. What would you do, then?

THEOSOPHIST. Act individually and not collectively; follow the Northern Buddhist precepts: "Never put food into the mouth of the hungry by the hand of another"; "Never let the shadow of thy neighbour (a third person) come between thyself and the object of thy bounty"; "Never give to the Sun time to dry a tear before thou hast wiped it." Again "Never give money to the needy, or food to the priest, who begs at thy door, through thy servants, lest thy money should diminish gratitude, and thy food turn to gall."

ENQUIRER. But how can this be applied practically?

THEOSOPHIST. The Theosophical ideas of charity mean personal exertion for others; personal mercy and kindness; personal interest in the welfare of those who suffer; personal sympathy, forethought and assistance in their troubles or needs. We Theosophists do not believe in giving money (N. B., if we had it) through other people's hands or organizations. We believe in giving to the money a thousandfold greater power and effectiveness by our personal contact and sympathy with those who need it. We believe in relieving the starvation of the soul, as much if not more than the emptiness of the stomach; for gratitude does more good to the man who feels it, than to him for whom it is felt. Where's the gratitude which your "millions of pounds" should have called forth, or the good feelings provoked by them? Is it shown in the hatred of the East-End poor for the rich? in the growth of the party of anarchy and disorder? or by those thousands of unfortunate working
girls, victims to the "sweating" system, driven daily to eke out a living by going on the streets? Do your helpless old men and women thank you for the workhouses; or your poor for the poisonously unhealthy dwellings in which they are allowed to breed new generations of diseased, scrofulous and rickety children, only to put money into the pockets of the insatiable Shylocks who own houses? Therefore it is that every sovereign of all those "millions," contributed by good and would-be charitable people, falls like a burning curse instead of a blessing on the poor whom it should relieve. We call this generating national Karma, and terrible will be its results on the day of reckoning. "
http://www.phx-ult-lodge.org/aKEY.htm

And I agree with Blavatsky very much even today.
Despite this, we witness many a so-called theosophist even among leaders of various groups - promote - another view. Namely that Charity is something good - and - saying that one just have to find the "right" organisation to support. We see such views expressed among people on various theospohical forums these days.

But these are of course my views on Charity - and - how to tackle altruism.

M. Sufilight

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