Theos-Talk Archives (March 2011 Message tt00068)

This is a post of mine on another group.  John W.

--- On Mon, 14/3/11, John W <johnww@1r-MTd1Q37BuOiU0W3a1JaEVVB2ZkQJTm_XD1hLjAJPJFQL1VRETD2Dz3xW0OuE9i4f4RfgHWw.yahoo.invalid> wrote:
From: John W <johnww@1r-MTd1Q37BuOiU0W3a1JaEVVB2ZkQJTm_XD1hLjAJPJFQL1VRETD2Dz3xW0OuE9i4f4RfgHWw.yahoo.invalid>
Subject: Fw: ATLANTIS, LOST CITY SWAMPED BY TSUNAMI, MAY BE FOUND - WHAT ARE YOUR COMMENTS?*
To: gregdempsey@dSBja0bgLBTKc_I4xRs6Pr0yHgUhAlZpHQxXklIm0orKjn9bKW2IgafcMdVhrgy55Q21rInIeQG4CA.yahoo.invalid
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Date: Monday, 14, March, 2011, 2:11 PM

It could not have been an actual tsunami that might have submerged the legendary lost civilization of Atlantis. This is because the effects of a tsunami do not include permanent inundation, which requires either a permanent sea-level rise or else a fall in the elevation of the land affected (usually due to significant down-thrusting on one side of a fault-line), or a combination.

During the Pleistocene Ice Ages, which was the period in which Atlantis flourished according to Plato and psychic sources such as Edgar Cayce (and others whose material I have read, e.g. W. Scott-Elliott, and the Knights Templars of Aquarius who were active mostly on Jersey from about the 1920s to the 1970s), at times sea level was up to 400 feet or 122 meters below what it is today. This was due to huge amounts of ice being locked up in greatly expanded ice-sheets on
 Antarctica, Greenland, and Iceland, compared to their sizes and thicknesses today; plus additional large ice-caps, which have now almost completely disappeared, on almost all of Canada and Alaska, the US Rocky Mountains and northern Appalachians, Scandinavia, the northern UK and Ireland, southern Patagonia, Kerguelen, the highlands of south-central Europe, the interior highlands of South Africa, the interiors of Tasmania and Victoria, and the south and interior of New Zealand's South Island. In general, any elevated land that was at higher latitudes than about 40º North or South, and received high precipitation due to evaporation from (paradoxically) warm ocean currents such as the Gulf Stream, was in danger of glaciation. Land at latitudes lower than about 35º was practically unaffected, except for fringe areas having greater rainfall in winter, with a very steep latitudinal temperature gradient at higher latitudes.

At the end of the
 Pleistocene, all this extra ice slowly melted, starting about 18,000 years ago and ending about 12,000 years ago, raising sea level by up to 400 ft or 122 m. This resulted in large areas of continental shelf around the world being permanently submerged, including an huge area off the east coasts of the U$A and Canada and around the Bahamas, and around the UK and France and Spain, which are likely to have been well-settled by prehistoric humans in view of artifacts that have been recovered by dredging. Historically, most civilizations have had their seats of government and 
culture at elevations of less than 400 ft above sea level. However, because they rise steeply from the ocean floor, islands in the North Atlantic, such as the Azores, Madeira, Bermuda, and Canary Islands, would have lost only relatively small amounts of land. 

This time-scale coincides well with the final destruction of the civilization of Atlantis, according to both Plato and Cayce (who said there were three destruction episodes of Atlantis, the first about 50,000 years ago). For a time, around 6,000 years ago, which was the warmest period since the end of the Ice Age, sea level was up to 7 feet (2 meters) higher than what it is today.

However. according to Edgar Cayce and other sources, Atlantis once covered much of the North Atlantic Ocean, and had colonies in the Bahamas and nearby in the Caribbean, and in Spain and Portugal. This must mean that, to destroy the civilization, besides sea-level rise, there must ALSO have been considerable
 land subsidence, and indeed not of normal continental crust which consists mostly of relatively light rocks, either granite or sedimentary or metamorphic rocks derived from granite (and similar acidic or intermediate rocks such as rhyolite and diorite and andesite); but instead of a large expanse of oceanic crust, which consists of basalt, a heavier basic rock containing much iron and other heavy metals, and in some places ultra-basic rocks such as peridotite and its alteration products (which are frequently rich in nickel and platinum metals besides iron). It is most unusual for such a large expanse of basaltic oceanic crust, the existence of which dates from the time the Atlantic Ocean formed about 200 million years ago when the Americas broke off and drifted away from Europe an Africa,  to ever have been above sea-level.

The only way that this could have happened for an appreciable length of geological history is for much of the floor of
 the North Atlantic having been buoyed up by huge gas deposits underneath it, probably of methane or a mixture of it with carbon dioxide. This would seem possible in the light of the recent "deep earth gas hypothesis", which theorizes that there are large methane deposits at great depths, not derived from sedimentation with decay of organic matter. Some years ago there was a Scientific American article about this theory. It is also supported by the writings of James Churchward on Atlantis/Lemuria, and by a description given by Cayce of one of the three destruction episodes of Atlantis and its cause, in which human intervention resulted in rupture of the roofs of the gas deposits. Indeed, the present-day topography of much of the sea floor of the interior of the North Atlantic, dominated by the Mid-Atlantic Ridge on which the Azores lie, looks like a collapsed roof, in maps such as those published by National Geographic.

In 1948 and 1949, there was
 a scientific research expedition (conducted by, I think, the Scripps Oceanographic Institute) carried out in the North Atlantic, using a vessel serendipitously called the "Atlantis", to more accurately map the sea floor there, and retrieve geological samples from it. According to an article which they published in National Geographic Magazine in 1949, they found, on the flanks of the Mid-Atlantic Ridge, wave-cut platforms or strands and beach sand, which could only have been formed by wave action at sea level, at a depth of 15,000 feet (4,575 meters, or nearly 3 miles), along with basaltic lava which could only have solidified in the way that it did in air (not below the sea). This would imply relatively geologically recent submergence by about this depth.

Further evidence of substantial land subsidence in the North Atlantic was found a few years ago, off the coast of Cuba, where remains of megalithic architecture were found by an expedition at a
 depth of over 2,000 feet (610 meters).

According to Cayce, the last redoubt of the original Atlantis civilization was the Bahamas, at a time when they must have stood about 400 feet higher above the sea, which they would have to have been for the numerous deep "blue holes", or sinkholes, now largely filled with sea-water, to have been formed in the limestone there by rain erosion. He gives an account of the evacuation of this area, called Poseidia, around 12,500 to 12,000 years ago, when rising sea levels and temperatures made it functionally uninhabitable, with its remaining inhabitants going mostly to México, Spain, Portugal, Morocco, and especially Egypt, where they supplied the technology to build the Great Pyramid.

Since about 1969, large megalithic architectural remains and artifacts have been found by divers in the shallow seas around the Bahamas, including what appears to have been a long quay or sea wall off Bimini Island; and
 there have been unconfirmed sightings by divers and ship and plane pilots since the 1940s of such remains in shallow waters off Madeira and the Canary Islands.

John W.

--- On Mon, 14/3/11, Greg Dempsey <gregdempsey@dSBja0bgLBTKc_I4xRs6Pr0yHgUhAlZpHQxXklIm0orKjn9bKW2IgafcMdVhrgy55Q21rInIeQG4CA.yahoo.invalid> wrote:
From: Greg Dempsey <gregdempsey@dSBja0bgLBTKc_I4xRs6Pr0yHgUhAlZpHQxXklIm0orKjn9bKW2IgafcMdVhrgy55Q21rInIeQG4CA.yahoo.invalid>
Subject: *? 2 ALL: ATLANTIS, LOST CITY SWAMPED BY TSUNAMI, MAY BE FOUND - WHAT ARE YOUR COMMENTS?*
To: "greg dempsey" <gregdempsey@dSBja0bgLBTKc_I4xRs6Pr0yHgUhAlZpHQxXklIm0orKjn9bKW2IgafcMdVhrgy55Q21rInIeQG4CA.yahoo.invalid>
Date: Monday, 14, March, 2011, 11:28 AM



 










 
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story of the 
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Hi Team!
 
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ATLANTIS, LOST CITY SWAMPED BY TSUNAMI, MAY BE FOUND - 

 

Reuters reports:
 
"A U.S..-led research team may have finally 
located the lost city of Atlantis, the legendary metropolis believed swamped by 
a tsunami thousands of years ago in mud flats in southern Spain.

"'This is the power of tsunamis,' head researcher Richard 
Freund told Reuters.
"'It is just so hard to understand that it can wipe out 60 
miles inland, and that's pretty much what we're talking about,' said Freund, a 
University of Hartford, Connecticut, professor who lead an international team 
searching for the true site of Atlantis.
"To solve the age-old mystery, the team used a satellite 
photo of a suspected submerged city to find the site just north of Cadiz, Spain. 
There, buried in the vast marshlands of the Dona Ana Park, they believe that 
they pinpointed the ancient, multi-ringed dominion known as Atlantis.

"The team of archeologists and geologists in 2009 and 2010 
used a combination of deep-ground radar, digital mapping, and underwater 
technology to survey the site.
"Freund's discovery in central Spain of a strange series 
of 'memorial cities,' built in Atlantis' image by its refugees after the city's 
likely destruction by a tsunami, gave researchers added proof and confidence, he 
said.
"Atlantis residents who did not perish in the tsunami fled 
inland and built new cities there, he added.

 
(above): 
Richard Freund
 
Atlantis, lost city 
swamped by tsunami, may be found - what are your 
comments?

Greg 
Dempsey
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SECULARHUMANIST/
Voice of the 
People
 
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Atlantis, Lost City Swamped By 
Tsunami, May Be Found 


First Posted: 03/13/11 02:07 PM Updated: 03/13/11 02:07 PM 



 NORTHAMPTON, Mass (Reuters) - The team's findings will be unveiled on 
Sunday in "Finding Atlantis," a new National Geographic Channel 
special.


While it is hard to know with 
certainty that the site in Spain in Atlantis, Freund said the "twist" of finding 
the memorial cities makes him confident Atlantis was buried in the mud flats on 
Spain's southern coast.
"We found something that no one 
else has ever seen before, which gives it a layer of credibility, especially for 
archeology, that makes a lot more sense," Freund said.
Greek philosopher Plato wrote 
about Atlantis some 2,600 years ago, describing it as "an island situated in 
front of the straits which are by you called the Pillars of Hercules," as the 
Straits of Gibraltar were known in antiquity. Using Plato's detailed account of 
Atlantis as a map, searches have focused on the Mediterranean and Atlantic as 
the best possible sites for the city.
Tsunamis in the region have been 
documented for centuries, Freund says.. One of the largest was a reported 
10-story tidal wave that slammed Lisbon in November, 1755.
Debate about whether Atlantis 
truly existed has lasted for thousands of years. Plato's "dialogues" from around 
360 B.C. are the only known historical sources of information about the iconic 
city. Plato said the island he called Atlantis "in a single day and night... 
disappeared into the depths of the sea."
Experts plan further excavations 
are planned at the site where they believe Atlantis is located and at the 
mysterious "cities" in central Spain 150 miles away to more closely study 
geological formations and to date artifacts.
(Editing by Barbara Goldberg and 
Greg McCune)
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