Theos-Talk Archives (March 2011 Message tt00055)

Yes. 
One aught not to make any unwilling a slave.


M. Sufilight

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  From: Martin 
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  Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2011 12:42 AM
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  Exactly, but not all individuals live up to their own doctrines, since other 
  individuals force their altruism upon them...

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  From: M. Sufilight <global-theosophy@5BVRsGQNyGrJGqX4od-twFK5kmXMXp4R__xQOiBMAZ2lluklisHmaIlWqWzb-SA6oO9O2H6wxOJSNzAAN_6nCUXm0A.yahoo.invalid>
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  Thanks.
  But each individual has his or her doctrine. The suffering occurs for instance, 
  when one use dogmas, techniques like coersive persuasion, or doctrinas on behalf 
  of others, or seek to legislate doctrines. Or also important: seek to promote 
  such things. Because this is against the aim of altruism.

  One cannot legislate altruism. And dogmas and coersive persuasion techniques are 
  in nature not altruistic. They operate as Mind Control elements. (See the 
  psychological term Mind Control here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind_control 
  )

  These are however just my views.

  M. Sufilight

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Martin 
  To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 10:25 PM
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  Doctrines will never spell Truth and the truth is: suffering is caused by 
  doctrines...

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  Sent: Thu, March 10, 2011 10:10:25 PM
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  Morten, 
  For a long time I have read: 

  >>>2. No Fellow, Officer, or Council of the Theosophical Society, or of any Section 
  >>>
  >>>or Branch thereof, shall promulgate or maintain any doctrinas being that 
  >>>advanced, or advocated by the Society. " 
  >>>
  (The Constitution and Rules of the Theosophical Society given in 1891) 

  And It seems to be a statement that is directly in opposition to the promotion 
  of Theosophical Doctrine (I don't know where the word "doctrinas" evolved from. 
  The construct reads to me is that no one shall hold Theosphical Doctrines as 
  stated by Blavatsky, Olcutt or other 1st generation Theosophists. 

  It seems possible to me that the word "not" was omited here : 

  No Fellow, Officer, or Council of the Theosophical Society, or of any Section or 

  Branch thereof, shall promulgate or maintain any doctrinas being that "not" 
  advanced, or advocated by the Society. 

  At least that way the rule copy makes some sense to me. Is the word "doctrinas" 
  in the original constitution? 

  I have wondered why no one ever brought this up over al lthis time with repeated 

  posting of it by you. 

  John 

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "M. Sufilight" <global-theosophy@5BVRsGQNyGrJGqX4od-twFK5kmXMXp4R__xQOiBMAZ2lluklisHmaIlWqWzb-SA6oO9O2H6wxOJSNzAAN_6nCUXm0A.yahoo.invalid> 
  To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 10:46:16 AM 
  Subject: Re: theos-talk Digital files of publications 

  Yes 
  But, which - objects - of the Theosophical Society are we talking about? 

  Those given in 1875, or those given by the co-founder Blavatsky in 1886, or 
  those given Jan. 1891 in the Theosophist, or those given in 1908, or those given 

  in 2010? And given by whom? And why choose one and not another? 

  I for one will oppose the following articles being thrown out in such an attempt 

  - just - because of doctrinaire bias... 

  "ARTICLE XIII doctrinas" in the original constitution? 
  Offences 
  1. Any Fellow who shall in any way attempt to involve the Society In political 
  disputes shall be immediately expelled. 

  2. No Fellow, Officer, or Council of the Theosophical Society, or of any Section 

  or Branch thereof, shall promulgate or maintain any doctrinas being that 
  advanced, or advocated by the Society. " 

  (The Constitution and Rules of the Theosophical Society given in 1891) 
  http://www.teozofija.info/tsmembers/Rules_1890.htm 

  - - - 
  About the list. 
  I was also referring to other papers/letters by Alice A. Bailey, and other 
  papers and letters by Helena Roerich etc. etc. --- Not that I endorse promoting 
  politics like a number of the Alice A. Bailey followers often seem to do. 

  What about those very old texts like the Upanishads or those by Shankara and 
  Tsong Khapa, or later Panchen Lama's etc. etc.- Which versions are the proper 
  ones to make available? Or none at all. 

  And what about Psychological texts? 

  - - - 
  I can see that this website seem to be expanding: 
  http://www.austheos.org.au/clibrary/bindex-0.html 

  M. Sufilight 

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Konstantin Zaitzev 
  To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 6:55 PM 
  Subject: Re: theos-talk Digital files of publications 

  --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com , "M. Sufilight" <global-theosophy@...> wrote: 

  > 1) What is understood by the term "theosophical publications"? 

  I think that those publication are theosophical, which comply the objects of the 

  Theosophical Society. 

  > what about online books by Alice A. Bailey, Helena Roerich, 
  > or perhaps Guy Ballard? 

  I don't know about the latter, while other two are online for a long time 
  already. 

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