Re: theos-talk TS & politics
Mar 01, 2011 11:06 AM
by M. Sufilight
Dear Martin
My views are:
I prefer to in the vein of the Law of Karma (a hypothesis to some) to say,
that the world is an illusion, but the truth is shown there.
But yes, maybe it is more ignorance than arrogance which is the problem to some of the involved parties.
It could at least be considered.
The truth will not go away. The Law of Karma is always just and it never bends.
Saying, that it never happened will not help. Because it did.
Saying, that ethics are unimportant will not help.
When one avoid taking a stance about ethics in forum rules or a grouos constitution --- or seek blurring its original aims and its historical background - one begin to walk a path in opposition to the truth.
The following have been taken from Blavatsky teachings and covers many other philosophical core teachings.
We aught to Recognize the truth when it is proven to us.
The teachings are offered as a hypothesis.
We must lose sight entirely of: Personalities and Dogmatic beliefs. (Ph. D's and other university titles and cult behaviour included).We must be free from prejudice.Be free from conceit.Free from selfishness.We must find the highest meaning possible. We must be also non-sectarian.We must remember the handicap of language.We must eventually develop visdom.We must remember that H. P. B . makes no claim to infallibility.We must lead the life of Brotherhood.........So, I will say, that when - the present day members year March 1st, 2011 - at The Theosophical Society appearntly aim at blurring the fact that Annie Besantdeviated from the Original Programe of The Theosophical Society without clearly telling about the need for doing so.And if - the present day members year March 1st, 2011 - administrative leaders and members of The Theosophical Society completly aim at ignoring this fact,we find us in a position to claim that they no longer Seek the Truth and that the motto of the Theosophical Society:THERE IS NO RELIGION HIGHER THAN THE TRUTHare being sought made unimportant with regard to the original offence and the aim against involvement in politics.All the above are of course just my views.I might be in error. If so please tell me why._______________Martin, you are always welcome to join Theos-talk-Heart, which seek to be based on the Original Programe of the Theosophical Society.Theos-talk-Hearthttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk-heart/M. Sufilight
----- Original Message -----
From: Martin
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 6:24 PM
Subject: Re: theos-talk TS & politics
Yes, I am censored, many replies I sent in the past were not placed on
Theostalk. I do not see this as a hinderance, I see it more like: 'the world was
not ready for such"...hahahaha, how arrogant, lol.
In Zenbuddhism the motto of the Theosophical Society could be:
There is no Religion
There is no Truth
There isn't even a there
No is not, nor is "is" and above is as good as below
It is the Paradox divided by Zero: Love is everywhere, Mind is nowhere
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From: M. Sufilight <global-theosophy@zX9MRO0-MWJ5ZJRMOlRybUBpBYoxs747jFAuFj3YjXVpNVKWZSkrr0j3fvVw-iUuT440CBhAwP-wdYFxY5BFF9iioA.yahoo.invalid>
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, February 28, 2011 5:53:34 PM
Subject: Re: theos-talk TS & politics
Dear Martin and friends
My views are:
Have you been censored on this forum?
Despite this question I found your thought quite interesting.
And I tend to agree, altough I see no importance of changing the motto today.
M. Sufilight
----- Original Message -----
From: Martin
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2011 8:42 PM
Subject: Re: theos-talk TS & politics
At the risk of being censored again, the wo/man who does so could say to himself
whether he is my judge, if so, he'd better choose another job, since no one but
Nature judges me...
Politics is the art of lieing, who lies best stays longest...one mistake though
and you destroy not only yourself but also those you work for you and with
you...
Truth doesn't need memory nor thought, Truth is and when needed memory and
knowledge comes to those who are in Truth at the blink of a Heartfelt feeling.
There is no religion above Truth...I have changed this motto many times:
To state such a motto, is a lie on itself, since Truth cannot be discussed, it
simply is...
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To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, February 27, 2011 8:24:53 PM
Subject: Re: theos-talk TS & politics
Dear Zaitzev and friends
My views are:
I find myself having a somewhat different view...
H. P. Blavatsky wrote the following on politics:
"Will you revile and scoff at the "Sermon on the Mount" because your social,
political and even religious laws have, so far, not only failed to carry out its
precepts in their spirit, but even in their dead letter? Abolish the oath in
Courts, Parliament, Army and everywhere, and do as the Quakers do, if you will
call yourselves Christians. Abolish the Courts themselves, for if you would
follow the Commandments of Christ, you have to give away your coat to him who
deprives you of your cloak, and turn your left cheek to the bully who smites you
on the right. "Resist not evil, love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do
good to them that hate you,"
.......
"Because, while the leaders of the Theosophical movement, recognising fully
their shortcomings, try all they can do to amend their ways and uproot the evil
existing in the Society; and while their rules and bye-laws are framed in the
spirit of Theosophy, the Legislators and the Churches of nations and countries
which call themselves Christian do the reverse."
.......
"ENQUIRER. Do you take any part in politics?
THEOSOPHIST. As a Society, we carefully avoid them, for the reasons given below.
To seek to achieve political reforms before we have effected a reform in human
nature, is like putting new wine into old bottles. Make men feel and recognise
in their innermost hearts what is their real, true duty to all men, and every
old abuse of power, every iniquitous law in the national policy, based on human,
social or political selfishness, will disappear of itself. Foolish is the
gardener who seeks to weed his flower-bed of poisonous plants by cutting them
off from the surface of the soil, instead of tearing them out by the roots. No
lasting political reform can be ever achieved with the same selfish men at the
head of affairs as of old.
THE RELATIONS OF THE T. S. TO POLITICAL REFORMS.
ENQUIRER. The Theosophical Society is not, then, a political organization?
THEOSOPHIST. Certainly not. It is international in the highest sense in that its
members comprise men and women of all races, creeds, and forms of thought, who
work together for one object, the improvement of humanity; but as a society it
takes absolutely no part in any national or party politics.
ENQUIRER. Why is this?
THEOSOPHIST. Just for the reasons I have mentioned. Moreover, political action
must necessarily vary with the circumstances of the time and with the
idiosyncracies of individuals. While from the very nature of their position as
Theosophists the members of the T. S. are agreed on the principles of Theosophy,
or they would not belong to the society at all, it does not thereby follow that
they agree on every other subject. As a society they can only act together in
matters which are common to all - that is, in Theosophy itself; as individuals,
each is left perfectly free to follow out his or her particular line of
political thought and action, so long as this does not conflict with
Theosophical principles or hurt the Theosophical Society. "
.......
"The Society, as a body, eschews politics and all subjects outside its declared
sphere of work. The Rules stringently forbid members to compromise its strict
neutrality in these matters."
(The Key to Theosophy, 2nd ed. 1890, p. 55-56, 231-232, 308)
- - -
M. Sufilight says:
So her words in the article you mention (WHAT ARE THE THEOSOPHISTS?, 1882),
aught as I see it to be viewed in a different light than only a rejection of
Socialism and Communism, but also as a rejection of all political activities, as
being inferior to altruistic activity - the main aim of the Theosophical Society
from its very beginning in 1875.
You cannot legislate altruism. Is is just as simple as that.
So while Blavatsky in her article wrote against Socialism and Communism, she did
not interfere, but just said what anyone aiming at altruism would have to do,
namely that they were particularily inferior.
That was also why Blavatsky wrote:
"I have never written in all my life on politics, of which I know nothing. I
take no interest in political intrigues, regarding them as the greatest nuisance
and a bore, the most false of all systems in the code of ethics. I feel the
sincerest pity for those diplomats who, being honourable men, are nevertheless
obliged to deceive all their lives, and to embody a living, walking LIE."
(Blavatsky Collected Writings volume 10 Page 293)
http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v10/y1889_004.htm
I repeat, politics are to be viewed as "the most false of all systems in the
code of ethics".
So I think it is clear that it is in that perspective one as a member of the
Original Programe of the Theosophical Society given in 1875-1891, and clearly
deviated from after 1907, aught to understand the aims it sought to promote. So
the Theosophical Society which aims at altruism, and name theosophy the exact
science on psychology --- seek reform in human nature and NOT reform through
political agendas or a Messiah craze - something which was promoted by Annie
Besant in her failure to recognize this altruistic need and the real aim and
even the Original rules of the Theosophical Society.
But all the above are of course just my views.
- What are your views?
- Did Annie Besant not fail to follow the Original rules of the Theosophical
Society, (See Article XIII, in The Constitution and Rules of Theosophical
Society in the Theosophist, jan 1891)?
- If not, why not?
best
M. Sufilight
----- Original Message -----
From: Konstantin Zaitzev
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2011 10:23 PM
Subject: theos-talk TS & politics
--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "M. Sufilight" <global-theosophy@...> wrote:
> still supports meddling with politics and a political involvement of the TS.
>This is what the TS Adyar website says today.
Anyway, when maintaining that the Theosophical Society doesn't interfere with
politics, H.P. Blavatsky made one inportant exception:
"Unconcerned about politics; hostile to the insane dreams of Socialism and of
Communism, which it abhors - as both are but disguised conspiracies of brutal
force and sluggishness against honest labour; the Society cares but little about
the outward human management of the material world." - WHAT ARE THE
THEOSOPHISTS? (HPB CW vol 2).
The reason why TS doesn't interfere into the politics is that it permits
Theosophical Society to work in countries with different political regimes -
they would see no danger from its side. But communist regimes (with one
exception of Cuba with its religious freedom) persecute Theosophical Society,
for their ideological basis is materialism of the most baser sort.
So in case of them (and also of nazist regimes which prevent realization of the
first object of TS) theosophists and TS at lagre should feel free of this
obligation, so it's permitted to undermine them by all possible means.
HPB, with her clairvoyance, could foresee danger of the communist regimes,
though there were none yet in her time, and made this important exception.
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