Re: theos-talk How Masters reincarnate?
Feb 28, 2011 09:09 AM
by M. Sufilight
Dear MKR and friends
My views are:
I think I have mentioned it before...
"One of the many occult investigations carried out by Geoffrey Hodson was with samples of pre-historic ape-man in South Africa while under the guidance of Professor J T Robinson D.SC. of the Transvaal Museum. Here is his testimony as to the accuracy of Geoffrey Hodsonâs observations. âI was able to work very closely with Geoffrey Hodson for some months during the late fifties testing his clairvoyant powers on pieces of fossils of early man about two million years of age. He never misidentified a specimen or gave conflicting statements about a specimen that had been presented more than once. As far as I could determine his information was always accurate and he gave me a strong impression of complete reliabilityâ"
http://www.theosophy.ph/sharinglightreview.html
One of our danish Alice A. Bailey / Theosophists named Soren Hauge ( ) has obtained a copy of the sound recordings of this experiment performed by Hodson, Robinson and if I remember correctly Robinsons assistent at the time. Maybe I can make him mail a copy, so the recordings can be avilable online? Or perhaps some of our readers now about the originals whereabouts?
( I think he is a member on http://theosophical.ning.com/ - maybe one could ask him directly there.)
If I remember correctly Hodson went through as many as 198 examples in the experiment. Only two of them was in disagreement with the scientists of the day. And they were later shown to have been incorrectly researched by the scientists themselves.
It is said that at least one of the artifacts examined by Hodson was about 1 millon years old (!)
If this experiment is solid one might say that Hodson showed a high amount of clairvoyance.
___
A sidenote on something mentioned on another forum here in Denmark:
A present day living Initiate?
Daniel Tammet - The Boy With The Incredible Brain 1-5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbASOcqc1Ss
Daniel Tammet
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Tammet
Savant syndrome
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savant_syndrome
Kim Peek (also on the above Yoputube videos)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Peek
M. Sufilight
----- Original Message -----
From: MKR
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 3:13 PM
Subject: Re: theos-talk How Masters reincarnate?
The two volume collected writings of Hodson (this is in addition to the
Light of the Sanctuary) contain very interesting material. Each volume is
nearly 900 pages and contain a lot of interesting and valuable material. It
is a pity that they did not chose to publish an electronic version. I recall
his writing of one of the Adepts who lives in Himalayas and whose body seems
to have been modified some process to that it can live on nutrition created
by Kriashakthi. There are two people in NZ who had contacts with Hodson when
he was living there and they may know of other interesting info not written
down anywhere.
MKR
On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 6:37 AM, Duane Carpenter <
monad_monad_monad@K8A_KgEvC4yoscW3ZMg006Ujk3DuyWA-hrGh0BQKEuEuNzc_PsClwe_UsbaIToTF01cJ0AIrKAYRZ8hm92v3q9rfzA.yahoo.invalid> wrote:
>
>
> Dear Jane
> Hope all is well.
> I have been deeply engrossed in operating Light-Weaver website for some 4-5
>
> years (we just went over the 80 k per month number last week for visitors)
> -
> and have been in touch with dozens of spiritual and theosophical blogs
> site
> etc. Never once in all that time did I see or hear any reference to G
> Hodson.
> Immediately after our contact and your generous sharing of his Sanctuary
> book
> almost every week someone brings up his name.
> Here are a few emails you may find of interest. The email included just
> below talks about the artist
>
> "Luis Antonio Gasparetto" the Brazilian who as you know and just recently
> shared
> with me Channels over 40 deceased Masters.
>
> I am available this week if you would like to chat.
> I am convinced Theosophy is in the decline because it has refused in many
> cases
> to incorporate other teachings that may not come from their tradition and
> an
> inability as you have pointed out to combine the best science has to offer.
> What
> this has led to is an inability to bring the study and meditation on the
> deva
> kingdom to the forefront as one of the most important area of recognition.
>
> I have added as an attachment something I wrote on comparing the works of
> HPB
> and AAB quite some time ago you may find of interest. Save it for a rainy
> day to
> read. It doesn't directly apply to our conversations but has a few
> insights you
> might enjoy.
>
> Blessings and Light
> Duane
> ________________________________
> From: "Augoeides-222@DPQpzmdqe3C1m_Hjx2qNeqxUHF7ESz_0BqCCNVC9AgdLmuAfxfntYGIylmFKdV4p9Y6Cqg33E59bu_VglQ5Q.yahoo.invalid" <Augoeides-222@DPQpzmdqe3C1m_Hjx2qNeqxUHF7ESz_0BqCCNVC9AgdLmuAfxfntYGIylmFKdV4p9Y6Cqg33E59bu_VglQ5Q.yahoo.invalid>
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sun, February 27, 2011 8:35:56 PM
> Subject: Re: theos-talk Communication: Jean Overton Fuller's Response to
> Govert
> Schuller Regarding the Krishnamurti-Scott-Anrias Issue
>
>
> mkr,
> Yes your correct, I didn't say they were both the same I am aware of the
> Agastya
> tradition.
>
> Regards,
> John
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "MKR" <mkr777@r0J_KuDOyBwkL__A6bShm4Mive13HXdY9WVPMy5cjGE_XFwFt_42mD5Clr9mqt7NGOY2j1c6CS9r.yahoo.invalid>
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2011 1:22:33 PM
> Subject: Re: theos-talk Communication: Jean Overton Fuller's Response to
> Govert
> Schuller Regarding the Krishnamurti-Scott-Anrias Issue
>
> Saint Ramalingam is not who is referred to as Rishi Agastya. He was born
> and
> grew up in South India. He is the only known person who was aware of the
> plans to start TS even before HPB was aware of it. It is ascribed to the
> fact that Ramalingam was in contact with the Himalayan Adepts and some even
>
> wonder if he himself was an Adept.
>
> MKR
>
> On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 3:09 PM, < Augoeides-222@DPQpzmdqe3C1m_Hjx2qNeqxUHF7ESz_0BqCCNVC9AgdLmuAfxfntYGIylmFKdV4p9Y6Cqg33E59bu_VglQ5Q.yahoo.invalid > wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Govert,
> > Thanks for your post, it is interesting because to me it tries to
> > authenticate a Master by concrete objective means. I haven't read all of
> > Wood's Books or the David Anrias books you cite. The "little village of
> > Tiruvallam" made a bell ring for me, but i have to research my memory on
> it
> > first. I seem to recall a Yogi named Ramalinga - Vallalar of the Golden
> > Body, who also obtained they claim, the "Rainbow Body" that curiously the
>
> > Tibetan speak of also. I have read some where of two "perpetual"
> Mahatma's
> > who reside in a small village in India for centuries and have from time
> to
> > time wondered if they were the real Blavatsky Mahatma's. The David Anrias
>
> > psychic claim you write of is interesting to me from the aspect and view
> > Blavatsky had in regard to the "Permanent Atoms" and the "Clusters of
> Force"
> > she spoke of. This seems to be a teaching that the part of our
> incarnational
> > reality that does not evaporate upon death includes also the two above
> > elements. I recently viewed a Documentary named "The Unmistaken Child" a
> > true documentary of how a Heart Drop Chela of a high Tibetan Monk
> conducted
> > the actual search for the new child body of his Teacher, a Tulku. I have
> the
> > position that what they try to "follow" are the Clusters of Force and the
>
> > Permanent Atoms that are attracted to the propitious new body of the
> Tulku
> > according to his prediction ( it is not the ego or the personality that
> > incarnates, but the Clusters of Force and Permanent Atoms that later are
> > gathered by attraction and affinity to become the restored Tulku , my
> > personal Theory. There is a difference between the psychic induction of a
>
> > will of the wisp and the above. Blavatsky apparently obtained occult
> > training that by the paths of previous life attainments and endowments
> and
> > further present life training by several sources during her life enabled
> her
> > to perform many of the occult functions with the interface of the river
> of
> > consciousness streams on various levels and dynamics.
> >
> > One interesting view in today's present world on Google Video's is the
> > performances of "Luis Antonio Gasparetto" a Brazilian who Channels over
> 40
> > of the deceased Master Painters in a very interesting manner. I hold the
> > possibility that he has the touch of contact with not the spirit or the
> > astral, or even the ego of these Master Painters, but the Clusters of
> Force
> > and Permanent Atoms of Blavatsky which he by means of the Law of Affinity
>
> > contacts and establishes "Rapport" with, a bond that remains once
> > established. Watching the Artists paint using his body and hands is
> > revealing, the signatures of the artists match their real signatures. His
>
> > eyes are closed while he paints on the paper places before him. here is a
>
> > link :
> >
> > Luis Antonia Gasparetto Video's ( there are many video's on both You Tube
>
> > and Google Video's)
> >
> > >>>
> >
> http://video.google.com/videosearch?gbv=2&hl=en&q=luis%20antonio%20gasparetto&ndsp=20&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=iv#
> ># <<<
> >
> >
> >
> > My idea is a real time observation in our current century and time of a
> > Occult Operation that previews how clusters of force seem to have
> interface
> > and utility is useful in order to assess the reality of it's existance
> and
> > means to validate Madame Blavatsky's declairations.
> >
> > Maybe Tibet and Tulku Book has alignment also. There have been dozens of
> > claims to have contacted the Mahatma's over the time after their
> "solitary
> > agent" died but how many were an astral reality and not the real
> substance
> > of the permanent atoms and clusters of force? It seems that this might be
> a
> > fruitful question. So also which did Anrias have contact with?
> >
> > Best regards,
> > John
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Govert Schuller" < schuller@M2HI49nJTor1qa0AnPGcXsDu8p7dnyuX5SVWJXrRZI7X6ANd3UFuy2FdZD3GJ7juMdHQNWPamke3o_hG.yahoo.invalid >
> > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2011 9:07:31 AM
> > Subject: theos-talk Communication: Jean Overton Fuller's Response to
> Govert
> > Schuller Regarding the Krishnamurti-Scott-Anrias Issue
> >
> > Naperville, February 27, 2011
> >
> > Recently the following communication was published by Theosophical
> History:
> >
> >
> > "Communication: Jean Overton Fuller's Response to Govert Schuller
> Regarding
> > the Krishnamurti-Scott-Anrias Issue."
> >
> > In the summer of 2006 I discussed with some Theosophical friends the
> paper
> > on Narayan on which I was working then (1). As we knew that Jean was
> getting
> > frail we came to the conclusion that it would be fair to send her my
> draft
> > in order for her to be able to respond if she so wished. At that moment
> the
> > basic argument of the paper, i.e. that Narayan could not be identified
> with
> > Nagaratnaswami, was already fully formulated and argued. She promptly
> sent
> > me a rejoinder dated August 12, 2006, with the request to have it
> published
> > with the paper.
> >
> > Continued:
> > http://www.alpheus.org/html/communications/scott_anrias/Fuller2.htm
> >
> > 1. [Editor's Note: The article appeared in Theosophical History, Vol.
> XIV,
> > No. 1-2 (Jan.-Apr. 2008): 11-46.]
> > See:
> http://www.alpheus.org/html/articles/scott_anrias/NarayanArticle.htm
> >
> > Summary:
> > The focus is on a relatively unknown Theosophical master who was known to
>
> > H.P. Blavatsky and H.S. Olcott under the name of Narayan. Around 1910
> some
> > Theosophists in Adyar thought they had met this master in the person of a
>
> > blind yogi named Nagaratnaswami in the little village of Tiruvallam about
> 70
> > miles west from Madras. Almost a 100 years later Jean Overton Fuller in
> her
> > biography on Krishnamurti revived this claim in the context of an
> extended
> > and open discussion she and I conducted about the Theosophical writers
> Cyril
> > Scott and David Anrias, who both provided very critical Theosophical
> > assessments of Krishnamurti.
> >
>
>
> ________________________________
>
>
> Thanks.
>
> My own summary was as follows:
>
> In the 1960s he [Hodson] was Director at the School of the Wisdom at the
> headquarters of the Theosophical Society in Adyar. On one of the trips with
> his
> students they visited one of the four monastic centers established by the
> sage
> Sri Shankaracharya at the city of Conjeeveram. Here the group was received
> by
> the reigning administrative head who, by tradition, also was named Sri
> Shankaracharya. After the group audience Hodson had a private meeting with
> him
> and was asked to submit any question he still had. One of them was if the
> Rishi
> Agastya was still the "Spiritual Guardian of India" and still reachable.
> Sri
> Shankaracharya answered that the Rishi was still in his physical body and
> lived
> in the Himalayas. See: John K. Robertson "Aquarian Occultist: The Life and
> Teachings of Geoffrey Hodson" (unpublished MS, 1971), 292.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: MKR
> To: theos-talk
> Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2011 4:18 PM
> Subject: theos-talk Hodson on Rishi Agastya
>
> There have been discussions among theosophical students about the Adept
> known as Rishi Agastya. Very little is known about Him, which should not
> surprise anyone. Here is an account of an inquiry by Hodson about Him. This
> is extracted from - LIght of the Sanctuary - his personal diary.
>
> ***
>
> On another occasion, having heard that another holy man was visiting
> Conjeeveram, [a city close to Chennai] I sent a request through a local
> Theosophist, to know whether he would receive the students of the School of
> the Wisdom.
>
> That was none other than the reigning Shri Shankaracharya, administrative
> and spiritual head of the whole monastic centre, or mutt as it is called,
> of
> the ancient temple centre at Conjeeveram. The office has been held in an
> unbroken line since the days of Shri Shankaracharya Himself, twentythree or
> four hundred years ago, according to Subba Row, one of the early
> Theosophists and occultists connected with our Society. The Lord Shri
> Shankaracharya is regarded occultly as a voluntary incarnation of one of
> the
> Lords of the Flame following the Lord Buddha to correct certain
> misconceptions, using some of the Lord Buddha's subtle vehicles.
>
> Amongst other things, He established four such temple centres and ordained,
> as we would say in Christianity, the first of an unbroken series of
> representatives of Him to bear His Name and preside over these centres
> continuously down the ages. As far as I know, this has been kept up, and
> the
> finest human beings available are called to occupy these positions,
> regarded
> as amongst the highest in India.
>
> Our request for audience was granted. We arrived on a Sunday morning, and
> in
> due time were led into his presence. He had chosen a walled garden a mile
> or
> so outside the city of Conjeeveram. It was a sacred place, because for long
> years a holy man had lived and died there. We went in through the garden
> gate. Nobody seemed to be there at first, until, over on one side, right
> across the garden, we saw a figure sitting on a mat under a tree. He was in
> a yellow robe with a chaplet of leaves around his head. In front of him was
> spread Japanese matting to which we were led. The Europeans saluted him in
> the usual fashion, and the Indians prostrated themselves before him.
>
> We sat down and, as the leader, I expressed gratitude to him for granting
> us
> this audience, addressing him as "Your Holiness", which is his title among
> his people, and told him who we were. He spoke very good English, but an
> interpreter helped, and he began to ask all the students questions in tum.
> Interestingly enough, these questions were about their Lodges and how many
> members, what they did, and what they taught ...
>
> All of us bore testimony afterwards to being bathed in an atmosphere of
> peace in the presence of this slight figure. Looking at him you would never
> have thought that he held one of the highest positions in ecclesiastical
> India, so humble was he, but he did.
>
> Towards the end I asked him if he would give us all a message to take back
> to the world for ourselves. He had a peculiar habit of closing his eyes and
> being silent for quite a time after every question, clearly allowing his
> consciousness to slip back to where it seemed to be normally living. in a
> higher realm. That was very marked with him, it appeared to me. The eyelids
> were half-closed much of the time until his full attention was arrested.
> Then the eyes were open and alive.
>
> He said, "Fix your mind upon God. Keep it there always, and whenever it
> tends to move away from the thought of God, bring it back instantly, until
> at last it becomes a habit always to keep one part of your mind
> contemplating God." He also spoke of universal truths that other holy men
> had stressed. For example, that you can do nothing in the spiritual life
> until you have purity of heart. Shiva said the same several times.
>
> Purity of heart is of the utmost importance, meaning that there must be no
> thought of personal gain or personal reward whatever from any attainment
> spiritually that may be reached. Finally, this successor in office to the
> great original Shri Shankaracharya held up his right hand and said, "This
> is
> the blessing."
>
> And certainly some of the members of the School, next morning, when we went
> over it all, bore testimony to having felt a descent of blessing. As we
> withdrew from this unforgettable experience, one of the men attendants came
> to me before we left the garden, and said that His Holiness would see me
> alone for a few minutes if I wished. I felt very highly honoured, of
> course.
> and went back, knowing that it was only because I was the Director of
> Studies of the School of the Wisdom.
>
> He asked if there were any questions that I, personally, would like to ask.
> He made me feel completely at home with him, never any embarrassment at
> all.
> I did ask a number of questions, but I wish I had been more prepared for
> the
> opportunity. One felt that one did not have any questions in his presence.
> As a result of Theosophical studies, one's mind isn't really filled with
> questions.
>
> I did ask him whether the Rishi Agastya was still in India, guarding it,
> fulfilling His Office, still reachable by men, and could be seen. He went
> off into silence, and then asked if I meant in the physical body. I
> answered
> that that was said to be the belief. He went off again for some time before
> answering. Then he said that the Rishi Agastya was still in His physical
> body, but not here; that He lived in the Himalayas. Then again he held up
> his hand and said, "This is the blessing." I further thanked him on behalf
> of us all and withdrew.
>
> I have been asked if I looked at his aura. I had not. I forbore to try to
> look at him in any kind of a research method, because I felt it would be
> unfitting and perhaps an impertinence. I was only aware that the slight
> figure was surrounded by a great light and that he was a highly advanced
> person . .. Such were the rich extra-curricular activities of our school.
>
> MKR
>
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