Theos-Talk Archives (February 2011 Message tt00131)

Dear Jane
Hope all is well. 
I have been deeply engrossed in operating Light-Weaver website for some 4-5 
years (we just went over the 80 k per month number last week for visitors)Â - 
and have been in touch with dozens of spiritual and theosophical blogs site 
etc. Never once in all that time did I see or hear any reference to G Hodson. 
Immediately after our contact and your generous sharing of his Sanctuary book 
almost every week someone brings up his name.
Here are a few emails you may find of interest. The email included just 
belowÂtalks about the artist 

"Luis Antonio Gasparetto"Âthe Brazilian who as you know and just recently shared 
with me Channels over 40ÂÂdeceased Masters.
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I am available this week if you would like to chat.
I am convinced Theosophy is in the decline because it has refused in many cases 
to incorporate other teachings that may not come from their tradition and an 
inability as you have pointed out to combine the best science has to offer. What 
this has led to is an inability to bring the study and meditation on the deva 
kingdom to the forefront as one of the most important area of recognition.
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I have added as an attachment something I wrote on comparing the works of HPB 
and AAB quite some time ago you may find of interest. Save it for a rainy day to 
read. It doesn't directly apply to our conversations but has a few Âinsights you 
might enjoy. 

Blessings and Light
Duane
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To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, February 27, 2011 8:35:56 PM
Subject: Re: theos-talk Communication: Jean Overton Fuller's Response to Govert 
Schuller Regarding the Krishnamurti-Scott-Anrias Issue

 
mkr, 
Yes your correct, I didn't say they were both the same I am aware of the Agastya 
tradition. 

Regards, 
John 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "MKR" <mkr777@UZW55GM1yxjWhYWbqrtz9klaYjOTpizZf_bD5gXbH76KNhJukrQWTCZIRq-wNA3RiTxxVzTg0A.yahoo.invalid> 
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2011 1:22:33 PM 
Subject: Re: theos-talk Communication: Jean Overton Fuller's Response to Govert 
Schuller Regarding the Krishnamurti-Scott-Anrias Issue 


Saint Ramalingam is not who is referred to as Rishi Agastya. He was born and 
grew up in South India. He is the only known person who was aware of the 
plans to start TS even before HPB was aware of it. It is ascribed to the 
fact that Ramalingam was in contact with the Himalayan Adepts and some even 
wonder if he himself was an Adept. 

MKR 

On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 3:09 PM, < Augoeides-222@ae1noL4sfktRjT7ch-lGPKmL-enHjtuDJ8nSA644PxWdFhT3BJv7zpYrSJxXTLE7GLhfsQzKL7YzNPl7p-ipGVLv.yahoo.invalid > wrote: 

> 
> 
> 
> 
> Govert, 
> Thanks for your post, it is interesting because to me it tries to 
> authenticate a Master by concrete objective means. I haven't read all of 
> Wood's Books or the David Anrias books you cite. The "little village of 
> Tiruvallam" made a bell ring for me, but i have to research my memory on it 
> first. I seem to recall a Yogi named Ramalinga - Vallalar of the Golden 
> Body, who also obtained they claim, the "Rainbow Body" that curiously the 
> Tibetan speak of also. I have read some where of two "perpetual" Mahatma's 
> who reside in a small village in India for centuries and have from time to 
> time wondered if they were the real Blavatsky Mahatma's. The David Anrias 
> psychic claim you write of is interesting to me from the aspect and view 
> Blavatsky had in regard to the "Permanent Atoms" and the "Clusters of Force" 
> she spoke of. This seems to be a teaching that the part of our incarnational 
> reality that does not evaporate upon death includes also the two above 
> elements. I recently viewed a Documentary named "The Unmistaken Child" a 
> true documentary of how a Heart Drop Chela of a high Tibetan Monk conducted 
> the actual search for the new child body of his Teacher, a Tulku. I have the 
> position that what they try to "follow" are the Clusters of Force and the 
> Permanent Atoms that are attracted to the propitious new body of the Tulku 
> according to his prediction ( it is not the ego or the personality that 
> incarnates, but the Clusters of Force and Permanent Atoms that later are 
> gathered by attraction and affinity to become the restored Tulku , my 
> personal Theory. There is a difference between the psychic induction of a 
> will of the wisp and the above. Blavatsky apparently obtained occult 
> training that by the paths of previous life attainments and endowments and 
> further present life training by several sources during her life enabled her 
> to perform many of the occult functions with the interface of the river of 
> consciousness streams on various levels and dynamics. 
> 
> One interesting view in today's present world on Google Video's is the 
> performances of "Luis Antonio Gasparetto" a Brazilian who Channels over 40 
> of the deceased Master Painters in a very interesting manner. I hold the 
> possibility that he has the touch of contact with not the spirit or the 
> astral, or even the ego of these Master Painters, but the Clusters of Force 
> and Permanent Atoms of Blavatsky which he by means of the Law of Affinity 
> contacts and establishes "Rapport" with, a bond that remains once 
> established. Watching the Artists paint using his body and hands is 
> revealing, the signatures of the artists match their real signatures. His 
> eyes are closed while he paints on the paper places before him. here is a 
> link : 
> 
> Luis Antonia Gasparetto Video's ( there are many video's on both You Tube 
> and Google Video's) 
> 
> >>> 
>http://video.google.com/videosearch?gbv=2&hl=en&q=luis%20antonio%20gasparetto&ndsp=20&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=iv#
># <<< 
>
> 
> 
> My idea is a real time observation in our current century and time of a 
> Occult Operation that previews how clusters of force seem to have interface 
> and utility is useful in order to assess the reality of it's existance and 
> means to validate Madame Blavatsky's declairations. 
> 
> Maybe Tibet and Tulku Book has alignment also. There have been dozens of 
> claims to have contacted the Mahatma's over the time after their "solitary 
> agent" died but how many were an astral reality and not the real substance 
> of the permanent atoms and clusters of force? It seems that this might be a 
> fruitful question. So also which did Anrias have contact with? 
> 
> Best regards, 
> John 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Govert Schuller" < schuller@K96OdeqTwx5jND7YUPswInssSvMDw1h7rIBiB1sLC0SbpWynvJlJn2LbI2lvjjosGhkAc51i4YMWfA.yahoo.invalid > 
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2011 9:07:31 AM 
> Subject: theos-talk Communication: Jean Overton Fuller's Response to Govert 
> Schuller Regarding the Krishnamurti-Scott-Anrias Issue 
> 
> Naperville, February 27, 2011 
> 
> Recently the following communication was published by Theosophical History: 
> 
> 
> "Communication: Jean Overton Fuller's Response to Govert Schuller Regarding 
> the Krishnamurti-Scott-Anrias Issue." 
> 
> In the summer of 2006 I discussed with some Theosophical friends the paper 
> on Narayan on which I was working then (1). As we knew that Jean was getting 
> frail we came to the conclusion that it would be fair to send her my draft 
> in order for her to be able to respond if she so wished. At that moment the 
> basic argument of the paper, i.e. that Narayan could not be identified with 
> Nagaratnaswami, was already fully formulated and argued. She promptly sent 
> me a rejoinder dated August 12, 2006, with the request to have it published 
> with the paper. 
> 
> Continued: 
> http://www.alpheus.org/html/communications/scott_anrias/Fuller2.htm 
> 
> 1. [Editor's Note: The article appeared in Theosophical History, Vol. XIV, 
> No. 1-2 (Jan.-Apr. 2008): 11-46.] 
> See: http://www.alpheus.org/html/articles/scott_anrias/NarayanArticle.htm 
> 
> Summary: 
> The focus is on a relatively unknown Theosophical master who was known to 
> H.P. Blavatsky and H.S. Olcott under the name of Narayan. Around 1910 some 
> Theosophists in Adyar thought they had met this master in the person of a 
> blind yogi named Nagaratnaswami in the little village of Tiruvallam about 70 
> miles west from Madras. Almost a 100 years later Jean Overton Fuller in her 
> biography on Krishnamurti revived this claim in the context of an extended 
> and open discussion she and I conducted about the Theosophical writers Cyril 
> Scott and David Anrias, who both provided very critical Theosophical 
> assessments of Krishnamurti. 
> 

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Thanks.

My own summary was as follows:

In the 1960s he [Hodson] was Director at the School of the Wisdom at the 
headquarters of the Theosophical Society in Adyar. On one of the trips with his 
students they visited one of the four monastic centers established by the sage 
Sri Shankaracharya at the city of Conjeeveram. Here the group was received by 
the reigning administrative head who, by tradition, also was named Sri 
Shankaracharya. After the group audience Hodson had a private meeting with him 
and was asked to submit any question he still had. One of them was if the Rishi 
Agastya was still the "Spiritual Guardian of India" and still reachable. Sri 
Shankaracharya answered that the Rishi was still in his physical body and lived 
in the Himalayas. See: John K. Robertson "Aquarian Occultist: The Life and 
Teachings of Geoffrey Hodson" (unpublished MS, 1971), 292. 


----- Original Message ----- 
From: MKR 
To: theos-talk 
Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2011 4:18 PM
Subject: theos-talk Hodson on Rishi Agastya

There have been discussions among theosophical students about the Adept
known as Rishi Agastya. Very little is known about Him, which should not
surprise anyone. Here is an account of an inquiry by Hodson about Him. This
is extracted from - LIght of the Sanctuary - his personal diary.

***

On another occasion, having heard that another holy man was visiting
Conjeeveram, [a city close to Chennai] I sent a request through a local
Theosophist, to know whether he would receive the students of the School of
the Wisdom.

That was none other than the reigning Shri Shankaracharya, administrative
and spiritual head of the whole monastic centre, or mutt as it is called, of
the ancient temple centre at Conjeeveram. The office has been held in an
unbroken line since the days of Shri Shankaracharya Himself, twentythree or
four hundred years ago, according to Subba Row, one of the early
Theosophists and occultists connected with our Society. The Lord Shri
Shankaracharya is regarded occultly as a voluntary incarnation of one of the
Lords of the Flame following the Lord Buddha to correct certain
misconceptions, using some of the Lord Buddha's subtle vehicles.

Amongst other things, He established four such temple centres and ordained,
as we would say in Christianity, the first of an unbroken series of
representatives of Him to bear His Name and preside over these centres
continuously down the ages. As far as I know, this has been kept up, and the
finest human beings available are called to occupy these positions, regarded
as amongst the highest in India.

Our request for audience was granted. We arrived on a Sunday morning, and in
due time were led into his presence. He had chosen a walled garden a mile or
so outside the city of Conjeeveram. It was a sacred place, because for long
years a holy man had lived and died there. We went in through the garden
gate. Nobody seemed to be there at first, until, over on one side, right
across the garden, we saw a figure sitting on a mat under a tree. He was in
a yellow robe with a chaplet of leaves around his head. In front of him was
spread Japanese matting to which we were led. The Europeans saluted him in
the usual fashion, and the Indians prostrated themselves before him.

We sat down and, as the leader, I expressed gratitude to him for granting us
this audience, addressing him as "Your Holiness", which is his title among
his people, and told him who we were. He spoke very good English, but an
interpreter helped, and he began to ask all the students questions in tum.
Interestingly enough, these questions were about their Lodges and how many
members, what they did, and what they taught ...

All of us bore testimony afterwards to being bathed in an atmosphere of
peace in the presence of this slight figure. Looking at him you would never
have thought that he held one of the highest positions in ecclesiastical
India, so humble was he, but he did.

Towards the end I asked him if he would give us all a message to take back
to the world for ourselves. He had a peculiar habit of closing his eyes and
being silent for quite a time after every question, clearly allowing his
consciousness to slip back to where it seemed to be normally living. in a
higher realm. That was very marked with him, it appeared to me. The eyelids
were half-closed much of the time until his full attention was arrested.
Then the eyes were open and alive.

He said, "Fix your mind upon God. Keep it there always, and whenever it
tends to move away from the thought of God, bring it back instantly, until
at last it becomes a habit always to keep one part of your mind
contemplating God." He also spoke of universal truths that other holy men
had stressed. For example, that you can do nothing in the spiritual life
until you have purity of heart. Shiva said the same several times.

Purity of heart is of the utmost importance, meaning that there must be no
thought of personal gain or personal reward whatever from any attainment
spiritually that may be reached. Finally, this successor in office to the
great original Shri Shankaracharya held up his right hand and said, "This is
the blessing."

And certainly some of the members of the School, next morning, when we went
over it all, bore testimony to having felt a descent of blessing. As we
withdrew from this unforgettable experience, one of the men attendants came
to me before we left the garden, and said that His Holiness would see me
alone for a few minutes if I wished. I felt very highly honoured, of course.
and went back, knowing that it was only because I was the Director of
Studies of the School of the Wisdom.

He asked if there were any questions that I, personally, would like to ask.
He made me feel completely at home with him, never any embarrassment at all.
I did ask a number of questions, but I wish I had been more prepared for the
opportunity. One felt that one did not have any questions in his presence.
As a result of Theosophical studies, one's mind isn't really filled with
questions.

I did ask him whether the Rishi Agastya was still in India, guarding it,
fulfilling His Office, still reachable by men, and could be seen. He went
off into silence, and then asked if I meant in the physical body. I answered
that that was said to be the belief. He went off again for some time before
answering. Then he said that the Rishi Agastya was still in His physical
body, but not here; that He lived in the Himalayas. Then again he held up
his hand and said, "This is the blessing." I further thanked him on behalf
of us all and withdrew.

I have been asked if I looked at his aura. I had not. I forbore to try to
look at him in any kind of a research method, because I felt it would be
unfitting and perhaps an impertinence. I was only aware that the slight
figure was surrounded by a great light and that he was a highly advanced
person . .. Such were the rich extra-curricular activities of our school.

MKR





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