Theos-Talk Archives (November 2010 Message tt00027)

Sorry, Christianity, so-called, should not be promoted unless we give up Theosophy. Because:

1) HPB said: to the Hindoo, Musselman, Parsee, Buddhist etc. one can recommend their own religion as a way of advancement, but if we did the same in regard to Christianity for Christians, we would just shove the so-called adherents of so-called Christianity into an even deeper pit of superstition, exoteric dogma, and as worst end-result, atheism, thus aid in blocking their progress for ages.

2) The fact that in the East - especially in India and China - the past few hundred years brought more misery than there was seeming progress in the West, especially in America and Germany, is neither a cause for celebration of the Western model nor an incentive to imitate, let alone promote "Christianity". In his Occult Glossary, W.Q. Judge says that the paramount feature of Kali Yuga is "great material advancement with spiritual darkness" - so, a mere imitation of the West would bring but dead sea fruits, or worse. Think of Gandhiji - did he imitate the West? No, he was standing up against it. Also, as every one can see, the West is right this very minute in the middle of collapsing - the rule of the golden calf being, in the hearts of the people at least, already overthrown, while the rulers and moneyed men still put, most diligently, make-up on a corpse. And lastly, while the West is going down, China and India are on the very rise, as every one can see, materially and economically, so there can be, even from a mere meterial standpoint, simply no reason whatsoever to imitate the West, and, by adding insult to injury, to support the black magic going on in the name of Jesus for almost two thousand years. Just keep in mind the Inquisition; the bloody butchery for centuries, called the Crusades; the two World Wars; the dropping of the atom bomb on a defensless defeated enemy's civilian centers in Japan; the unjustifiable agression in Vietnam, the same fascism applied in numerous attacks to South America, now to Iraq and Afghanistan, tomorrow possibly Persia - and Theosophists should support the main ideological excuse for all this degradation and crime, moral, spiritual, astral and physical, by chaining themselves to the service of the driving power behind this abomination, by promoting pseudo-Christianity? Real Christianity never existed on this planet, except in the heart of such as, e.g. Count Tolstoy, Mahatma Gandhi, Madame Blavatsky; there was only a fake version of this ideology or "religion" that was so pure and humanitarian that it was capable of blasting India with the worst mass chemical poisoning in the history of all humanity --- the Union Carbide crime in Bhopal! Please withdraw your question, it cannot be that Theosophists in earnest are being asked to discuss supporting this pseudo-Christianity, with such endless historical catalogue of crime, mayhem, destruction, and now finally, total economic and societal collapse, threatening now, and openly discussing, their launching a nuclear war against Iran, merely because that country dares to own the last remnants of the greatest treasure to the servants of the golden calf: oil - crude - while the impoversished "Christian" masses of the so-called "Christian" nations are silently preparing for the overthrow of their exploiters and torturers?

Let us rather see that without Theosophy, the planet is lost; this is our great opportunity to spread Theosophy as never before. Putting  new wine into new bottles is a much better idea than the lunacy of trying to save old wine in old bottles.  

Pendragon 

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Supreme" <AnandGholap@...> wrote:
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> On all fronts, education, human development, literacy etc. Christian countries show much greater progress than non-Christian countries, as can be seen from statistical data.
> Anand Gholap
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> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Augoeides-222@ wrote:
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> > Anand, 
> > Just my personal opinion here. It was the "freedoms" and "sufferages" and "openness" and the "Capital Realization" that make a significant contribution to the progress of peoples and nations. At one time Christianity was also backward, oppressive, stifling, punitive, Authoritative and contained many repugnant barbaric views and attitudes which over time were either terminated or moderated in such a way as to allow a more uplifted society. The education of both sexes is a benchmark absent in many places even today. Transformation of the mind of all mankind is a long endurance event. Homogeneous progress is a fable, the holistic wholeness is composed of a very wide spectrum of portions that are all differentiated as individual realities. Religion is an "overlay" on basic qualities intrinsic to organized thoughtful society. It is more the arbitrary self serving conventions of tribes and nations that moderate in spite of any religions advices that distort and warp a nations advances. These deficits of barbarism that are maintained long after they should have been cast away account for much that holds nations back from progress and the welcome companionship of advanced nations in my view. 
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> > Regards, 
> > John 
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> > From: "Supreme" <AnandGholap@> 
> > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 10:58:41 AM 
> > Subject: theos-talk Should Christianity be promoted to bring prosperity in the world? 
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> > "Advanced Economies is a term used by the International Monetary FUND (IMF) for the top group in its hierarchy of advanced economies, countries in transition, and developing countries; it includes the following 33 advanced economies: Australia, Austria, Belgium, Canada, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hong Kong, Iceland, Ireland, Israel, Italy, Japan, South Korea, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, NZ, Norway, Portugal, Singapore, Slovak Republic, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Taiwan, UK, US; note - this group would presumably also cover the following nine smaller countries of Andorra, Bermuda, Faroe Islands, Guernsey, Holy See, Jersey, Liechtenstein, Monaco, and San Marino that are included in the more comprehensive group of "developed countries" 
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> > If we study above paragraph carefully, we find that most of the advanced economies (countries that prospered more) have major religion Christianity. Researchers know that religions greatly influence behaviors, attitudes and actions of people. The fact that most Christian countries made much faster economic progress than non-Christian countries indicates that Christian religion creates attitude among it's followers that is more helpful in making economic progress. Does that mean Christianity should be promoted to bring about prosperity? 
> > Similarly progress on other fronts like education, literacy, human development may be made in order to see how religions have affected in making countries progress at faster speed or slower speed. 
> > Best 
> > Anand Gholap 
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