Theos-Talk Archives (October 2010 Message tt00087)

Lol, he is right...all the evil HE sees...





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Sent: Mon, October 11, 2010 6:07:56 PM
Subject: Re: theos-talk Re: Aurobindo's madman?

  
Among my odder friends is an internet evangelist and conspiracy nutcase 
(and yes, he is a friend) who is, of course, convinced that all the evil in 
the  world comes from HPB and Alice Bailey and he cannot quite understand why 
I don't  agree with him.  And I have a great deal of trouble not laughing in 
his  chatroom when he gets going on Alice Bailey.

Chuck the Heretic

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In a message dated 10/10/2010 11:51:09 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
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Hi Chuck
You are correct in assuming AAB utilized all of her training  and acquired 
knowledge in the Esoteric Section to work with her additional 
contributions. I 
am familiar with the esoteric work of the Theosophical  society and what 
AAB 
wrote and she does expand and take these concepts  into new and expanded 
areas.
This is why I continually ask those who  doubt this possibility to study 
the 
material of AAB's themselves and come  to their own conclusions.

Thanks Chuck for your continued support of  hilarity, parody, farce, 
satire, 
occult street theater and humor. We  all take this work way to seriously 
and you 
keep us honest.
Best  Duane

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Sent: Sun, October 10, 2010  10:41:51 AM
Subject: Re: theos-talk Re: Aurobindo's madman?

Well, never actually having seen the ES material I have no personal 
grounds 
for making a comparison, only being able to say that I never heard  anyone 
in the ES laugh at the comment.

Chuck the  Heretic

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Smile.
I would say:  Not stolen, but more precisely distorted.

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Sent: Saturday, October 09,  2010 8:03 PM
Subject: Re: theos-talk Re: Aurobindo's madman?

I think  the key came in an brief exchange in the Olcott Library many years 
ago. An  elderly lady was staying at Olcott for a short time, doing 
something  Theosophical, and she came into the library walked into the 
stacks and 

asked why the writings of Alice Bailey were there, not because of any 
objection to what they said, but because, as she said, they were all 
stolen from 

the Esoteric Section teachings.

That alone would  send them up the walls and over the battlements.

Chuck the  Heretic

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Sent: Sat, Oct 9, 2010 6:21  am
Subject: theos-talk Re: Aurobindo's madman?

This was a very  contemporary article to have been written a hundred years 
ago! As for the  "dethroning of popes" that still is the main thing needed 
IMO. But now in  addition to an authoritarian mindset on behalf of the 
current leadership,  the popes of 100 years ago are untouchable, beyond 
criticism, 

still enthroned even though long dead. 

I would think that  Morten and I agree about the relative value of the 
writings of Leadbeater  and Bailey compared to those of HPB. I'd be equally 
disinclined to spend  time on either one, but if others in a group wanted 
to 
study them would  not object, just skip those classes. But the difference 
in 
the TS is that  nothing negative can ever said about the former, nothing 
positive about  the latter, without making The Powers That Be extremely 
uncomfortable.  What is it about Bailey in particular that creates such a 
paranoid 

atmosphere throughout the TS?

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(mailto:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com) ) , Duane Carpenter 
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wrote:
>
> Great Article  Jim
> This extracted section of the article really gave important  insights.
> 
> Aurobindo: Claims of Theosophy
> 
> 
> "If Theosophy is to survive, it must first change itself. It must  learn 
that 
> mental rectitude to which it is now a stranger and  improve its moral 
basis. It 
> must become clear, straightforward,  rigidly self-searching, sceptical in 
the 
> nobler sense of the  word. It must keep the Mahatmas in the background 
and put 
> God and  Truth in the front. Its Popes must dethrone themselves and 
enthrone the 
> intellectual conscience of mankind. If they wish to be mystic and  secret 
like 
> our Yogins, then they must like our Yogins assert  only to the initiate 
and the 
> trained; but if they come out into  the world to proclaim their mystic 
truths 
> aloud and seek power,  credit and influence on the strength of their 
assertions, 
> then  they must prove. It need not and ought not to be suddenly or by 
miracle_s; 
> but the_re must be a scientific development, we must be able to lay  hold 
on the 
> rationale and watch the process of the truths they  proclaim." 
> 
> Circa 1910/12
> 
> 
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> Sent: Fri, October 8, 2010  7:12:33 PM
> Subject: theos-talk Aurobindo's madman?
> 
> Ã 
> I was reading an article by Aurobindo, Claims of Theosophy  at:
> www.aurobindo.ru/workings/sa/17/0015_e.htm
> 
> He  wrote in 1910/12: ...The only member of the Theosophical Society who 
could 
> give me any spiritual help I could not better by my unaided  faculties, 
was one 
> excluded from the esoteric section because of  his rare and potent 
experiences 
> were unintelligible to  Theosophical guides... one who meddled not in 
> organizations and  election cabals but lived like a madman, unmattavat."
> 
> Could  have been some other Chuck, but I wonder who this soul may have 
been.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> Jim
> 
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