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Re: theos-talk A challenge !!!

Oct 09, 2010 03:25 PM
by Martin

Lol, the problem is not Christianity as such and as meant by the initiators of 
it; a quick read of Acharya S's books on Jesus can spread more light on the 
Jesus from the bible. As always an open mind is necessairy, since Christianity, 
Buddhism, Hinduism etc. ect. are old religions, no one knows the founders, so we 
are forced to be open minded and not get conned or confused by people claiming 
this or that and in the mean time fill their pockets with money, their heads 
with power and their hearts with status...this is not the goal of any religion. 
The basic thought of religion is to understand 1 primary law in Nature, Which 
wants to Mature: Karma.
You get what you give, you give what you get. This Maturing is called the 
exercise of developing the Art of Diplomacy and the Way to achieve is always 
Surprise since it is based on the One fundamental Eternal Force in the 
Manifested worlds: "Change".
Bailey calls this Shiva or Moving Compassion, since Chi cannot be anything else 
than Ultimate Compassion, hence the "va" from "vana"...there is a lot more to 
discuss about Vana and of course Nir Vana, however I can only direct you to my 
websites to understand...since I feel no need to say all I already said for 
ages, again here in theos talk, especially because I am censored here as well...
Lastly I can only add the following which is said to be coming from the Buddha:
"Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not  believe in 
anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do  not believe in 
anything simply because it is found written in your  religious books. Do not 
believe in anything merely on the authority of  your teachers and elders. Do not 
believe in traditions because they have  been handed down for many generations. 
But after observation and  analysis, when you find that anything agrees with 
reason and is  conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it 
and live up to it."

From: Duane Carpenter <>
Sent: Sat, October 9, 2010 11:08:34 PM
Subject: theos-talk A challenge !!!

Hi martin


From: Martin <>
Sent: Sat, October 9, 2010 7:33:53 AM
Subject: Re: theos-talk Re: Aurobindo's madman?

Hi Martin
Thank you for sharing your views.
What AAB did by her own admission was to include Esoteric Christianity into 
Hindu and Buddhist esoteric traditions. If Theosophy is the esoteric core of ALL 

religions why would she not want to include Christianity. Theosophist need to 
stop comparing Annie Besant and Charles Leadbeaters superficial analyses of 
Christianity and read what AAB has to say. If you are saying here martin that 
AAB failed to bring  new insights into an old dogmatic Christianity that may not 

be correct.
Alice bailey teachings are growing exponentially in leaps and bounds as many of 
the earlier contributors to Theosophy are declining. HPB will always be one of 
the greatest contributors to esoteric wisdom in my experience  but not 
necessarily the only one.
We sometimes confuse the heart of Theosophy which is inquiry into the spiritual 
with loving or hating the messengers. 

This is why Some Theosophists despise AAB because they see her as a threat to 
their established dogmas and cherished beliefs. The paradox that no one has yet 
explained to me successfully  is why do so many AAB students love HPB and study 
her alongside AAB. But those who have studied only HPB make premature judgments 
and condemnation of AAB without an honest study of her material.?
I challenge any readers here  to suspend their preconceived ideas or  disbelief 
and join the Moray Federation of Esoteric Schools for just 6 months or a year 
before they start passing out judgments about teachings they either do not 
understand or cannot comprehend. This school teahces both AAB and HPB.
Best Duane

"What is it about Bailey in particular that creates such a paranoid atmosphere 
throughout the TS?"
Lol, it is all about tactics...Bailey and those behind her wanted to synthesize 
Christianity into Theosophy which is not possible...
At the same time they wanted to bring the Old Wisdom more apprehensible for all 
people in which they also failed...
We have now entered a time where all religion will destroy itself from within to 

find they were all derived from the One Religion...check my site 

...sorry you will need Google to translate some of the text there...

From: kpauljohnson <>
Sent: Sat, October 9, 2010 1:21:34 PM
Subject: theos-talk Re: Aurobindo's madman?

This was a very contemporary article to have been written a hundred years ago! 
As for the "dethroning of popes" that still is the main thing needed IMO. But 
now in addition to an authoritarian mindset on behalf of the current leadership, 

the popes of 100 years ago are untouchable, beyond criticism, still enthroned 
even though long dead. 

I would think that Morten and I agree about the relative value of the writings 
of Leadbeater and Bailey compared to those of HPB. I'd be equally disinclined 
to spend time on either one, but if others in a group wanted to study them would 

not object, just skip those classes. But the difference in the TS is that 
nothing negative can ever said about the former, nothing positive about the 
latter, without making The Powers That Be extremely uncomfortable. What is it 
about Bailey in particular that creates such a paranoid atmosphere throughout 
the TS?

--- In, Duane Carpenter <monad_monad_monad@...> 
> Great Article Jim
> This extracted section of the article really gave important insights.
> Aurobindo: Claims of Theosophy
> "If Theosophy is to survive, it must first change itself. It must learn that 
> mental rectitude to which it is now a stranger and improve its moral basis. It 

> must become clear, straightforward, rigidly self-searching, sceptical in the 
> nobler sense of the word. It must keep the Mahatmas in the background and put 
> God and Truth in the front. Its Popes must dethrone themselves and enthrone the 
> intellectual conscience of mankind. If they wish to be mystic and secret like 
> our Yogins, then they must like our Yogins assert only to the initiate and the 

> trained; but if they come out into the world to proclaim their mystic truths 
> aloud and seek power, credit and influence on the strength of their assertions, 
> then they must prove. It need not and ought not to be suddenly or by miracles; 

> but there must be a scientific development, we must be able to lay hold on the 

> rationale and watch the process of the truths they proclaim." 
> Circa 1910/12
> ________________________________
> From: jamesbergh <jamesbergh@...>
> To:
> Sent: Fri, October 8, 2010 7:12:33 PM
> Subject: theos-talk Aurobindo's madman?
> Ã 
> I was reading an article by Aurobindo, Claims of Theosophy at:
> He wrote in 1910/12: ...The only member of the Theosophical Society who could 
> give me any spiritual help I could not better by my unaided faculties, was one 

> excluded from the esoteric section because of his rare and potent experiences 
> were unintelligible to Theosophical guides... one who meddled not in 
> organizations and election cabals but lived like a madman, unmattavat."
> Could have been some other Chuck, but I wonder who this soul may have been.
> Any ideas?
> Jim
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